Nazi demonstration in germany tomorrow

reply to post by Rohdan


yes thank you for clearing that up!

i also didnt realize it was a crime to display nazi emblems. i wonder then what kinds of things go on their signs if they cant put swastikas.

interesting, hope its peaceful.

reply to post by ShadowAngel85


to protest doesn't mean that I'm a left wing idiot. I'm not part of any left wing group. I just think it's not ok what's going on.

not all protestors are extreme or something

Originally posted by Rohdan
reply to post by LieBuster

 

the good old stupid argument. asylum seekers are not even allowed to work dude.

they are not called nazis. they are nazis and call themselves nazis.

what are you tryin to say? you think it's legitimate?

I didn't get your last sentence

Yes ilegal immigrants are not allowed to work according to the law but they do work for cash or even in our hospitals because all the work has been contracted out to contractors and if anyone says a thing then they get called racists and the goverent say it was not theire fault.

We also need to remember that legal immigrants have been let in en-mass to force wages down and this is why, at least in the UK they are allowed to jump queues.

"what are you tryin to say"

You don't have to be a nazi to be upset by these facts is what i'm saying.

Originally posted by LieBuster

"what are you tryin to say"

You don't have to be a nazi to be upset by these facts is what i'm saying.

Right, but they don't want to admit that they have legitimate gripes. It's easier to just label them nazis and let the label do the demonizing for them. It's much like the jews hollering "anti-semite" every time someone says something they don't like.

Here is one reason that police protect "Neo Nazis"

www.splcenter.org...

"New Jersey radio host Hal Turner is well known as one of the most vicious neo-Nazis in America, a man who routinely suggests killing his enemies"

"Hal Turner is one serious extremist. He may also be on the FBI payroll."

" “My concern is that Turner’s methods actually are more dangerous and destructive than the evil they are seeking to cure. His threatening messages may actually inspire neo-Nazis to up the ante, to engage in even more destructive behavior.”

Turner, 45, has developed a reputation as one of the hardest-line racists on the radical right since starting up his radio show seven years ago. He has routinely ranted about such things as a “Portable Nigger Lyncher” machine and slimed those he hates as “savage Negro beasts,” “bull-dyke lesbians,” “faggots” and worse.

But it is his threats that are legendary.

In 2006, Turner told his audience to “clean your guns, have plenty of ammunition … [and] then do what has to be done” to undocumented workers. Around the same time, he suggested that half the U.S. Congress “may have to be assassinated.” A year earlier, he suggested “drawing up lists of yeshivas,” or Jewish religious schools. "

BROOKLYN – Shock jock Hal Turner of North Bergen took the witness stand in his federal trial Wednesday and accused the FBI of urging him to make violent statements as a way of infiltrating extremist right-wing groups.


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Hal Turner accused the FBI of urging him to make violent statements as a way of infiltrating extremist right-wing groups. Turner, who built an audience of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with his radio show, is on trial here on a single charge of threatening three Chicago-based federal appeals court judges. The charge is based on a posting Turner made on his radio network blog last June in which he said the judges “deserved to be killed” for their ruling in a gun control case.

If convicted, he faces 10 years in prison.

In an investigative report last November, based on FBI documents, The Record outlined Turner’s secret FBI role in infiltrating the same groups who were drawn to his radio show and blog. Besides neo-Nazis, Turner said he made contact with the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation.

In more than two hours of testimony before lunch, Turner described how he was recruited in 2003 by the FBI’s Newark-based Joint Terrorism Task Force. He said he was paid “in excess of $100,000” by the FBI during his almost five years as an informant.

After the husband and mother of Chicago-based U.S. District Court Judge Joan Lefkow were murdered in 2005, Turner said the FBI asked him to “ratchet up the rhetoric” on his radio show in an attempt to “flush out” the killer. As it turned out, Lefkow’s husband and mother were not murdered by right-wing extremists but by a man who was disgruntled with one of her rulings.

Turner’s testimony, which is expected to continue all day, marked a dramatic turnabout in the trial.

In gripping testimony on Tuesday, all three Chicago appellate court judges took the stand and said they felt threatened by Turner’s blog posting that they “deserved to be killed.”

During the first two days of the trial, while prosecutors presented their side of the case, there was no mention of Turner’s FBI link. Indeed, U.S. District Court Judge Donald Walter did not even permit defense attorneys to present an opening statement until after prosecutors had finished introducing evidence and rested their case.

“Here’s where the case get’s very interesting,” said Turner’s lead defense attorney, Michael Orozco, in his opening statement before calling Turner as his first witness.


www.northjersey.com...

There are claims he wasn't just an informant but an agent.

He called for the killing of judges

"Hogan admits Turner was FBI Agent By the end of Trial #1, Defense ... The Family of Hal Turner reported these facts on the family blog and provided main ..."
family-of-hal-turner.blogspot.com/


[edit on 4-6-2010 by Danbones]

Originally posted by serbsta
Well its easy to say 'its just freedom of speech' and then be done with it, but maybe we should look at why this is happening with reference to the now, not just seeing it and making references to the past. It is a sign of the times, there are growing numbers within Neo-Nazi factions all over Europe, especially in Austria. In the 1920's it was when the people were completely demoralized and disenfranchised with their leadership and what it had purportedly done to their nation that the people of Germany turned to Hitler and fascism.

Germany now isn't quite like Weimar Germany in the 20's... but Europe as a whole isn't looking good...

Spot on Serbsta. Unemployment is growing fast in Europe yet immigrants from eastern europe and especially the middle east keep on coming providing even more competition for jobs. Poles and slavs are to western europe what mexicans are to most americans; cheap labor. The companies there do the same thing and hire the cheapest labor they can even though it's illegal.
The conditions for the rise of fascism are coming together in Europe and America. A worsening economy is making this possible. Soon you will see clashes in the street between fascists and communists just like in the 1930's. We won't have long to wait.

reply to post by LieBuster


asylum seekers are not illegal

but I get what you're saying.

Originally posted by LurkerMan
reply to post by Rohdan

 

care to elaborate on what specific laws are being broken? im not familiar with the German penal code.

are there laws against protesting?

are there laws against going around roadblocks?

are there laws against having nazi views?

i dont understand what makes them criminal is all. in america criminal means you are breaking a law.


[edit on 4-6-2010 by LurkerMan]

Answers 1. Without official permission, yes, 2.depends, and 3.YES

Originally posted by LurkerMan
reply to post by Rohdan

 

care to elaborate on what specific laws are being broken? im not familiar with the German penal code.

are there laws against protesting?

are there laws against going around roadblocks?

are there laws against having nazi views?

i dont understand what makes them criminal is all. in america criminal means you are breaking a law.


[edit on 4-6-2010 by LurkerMan]

Answers 1. Without official permission, yes, 2.depends, and 3.YES

Its a start of the Nazi movement by the tall grey's. Hitler was in direct contact with the tall grey's and they directed his war against man.

The 3rd reight is alive and well under the denver airport.

reply to post by christianpatrick


which law is against nazi views?

Who cares if they go marching through the streets? The only thing wrong with it in your eyes is that you don't like what they are marching for.

Sorry, the world doesn't revolve around you. People are going to do things you don't like.

Let them look like fools if they want to.

I lived in Germany for around 5 years and you guys are hilarious when it comes to your history. You guys pretend Nazi Germany never happened. It would be like us telling the story of the USA and completely leave out the slavery era.

It is part of your history no matter how big a red mark it is. Live with it and accept it.

Originally posted by yuefo

Originally posted by LieBuster

"what are you tryin to say"

You don't have to be a nazi to be upset by these facts is what i'm saying.

Right, but they don't want to admit that they have legitimate gripes. It's easier to just label them nazis and let the label do the demonizing for them. It's much like the jews hollering "anti-semite" every time someone says something they don't like.

You mean something like the anti-Israelis/jews hollering "Nazi Israel" every time someone says something they don't like ? It's easier to just label them Nazis and let the label do the demonizing for them. So i do wonder how come they have pride parades ? So we have in Denmark. And the danish Nazis DNSB doing "parades". Just not together

Good for the heads up, Rohdan

Unfortunately there are quite a few antisemitic and Nazi-sympatizing ATS users here, like "charlie_the_loafer" and "virgom129" who would support such kind of event. Beware.

reply to post by yuefo


Hi,

As a resident guest in Berlin I can assure you that the Germans have a far more liberal approach than most so called 'free' western countries.

So long as marches are posted and organised with the police anyone is allowed to march and will be escorted by the plice.

An interesting aside - the Reichstag has a superb glass dome (designed by an English architect) that allows the people to be above the government....

Peace!