reply to post by truthseeker1984
I thought I would wait a bit to reply, first because I have limited time to do so, but also because I thought it might help this thread to wait and
see if it needed another bump.
Yes my friend, I do see very clearly the division between myself and the other poster you refer to. Where I do indeed speak for freedom on a
fundamental level, I am also unclear why freedom should be spoken of on any other level. Where you suggest that both myself and the other member are
both right, and both wrong, this sort of truth can only be true on a higher level of awareness. On a higher level of awareness, there is no evil,
there is only good. Everything is good on that level, because everything we do is what we declared will be done, and it is that will that is good.
It is free will, and on that higher plane of existence, even the infamous and most popular poster child for evil, Adolf Hitler himself was not evil,
but merely one who did what he willed be done.
On a higher plane, one can understand that Hitler's actions were a response to a collective desire for such action. Hitler was a conscious
reflection of us all at that point, and served to teach us all that is wrong with wanting the sort of Utopia that Hitler promised, and yet, there is
no right or wrong, simply what is. These seemingly contradictory thoughts, that evil is good, and that there is not right or wrong, are truly a
reflection of who we are. I believe that what you are speaking to is that higher plane, where we are all interconnected, and made of the same stuff,
and very much a part of each other. Yet, this is on a higher plane where biological constructs are merely that, biological constructs of which we
inhabit. On a higher plane of awareness we are more than our bodies, we are thought itself, and thoughts are things.
When we exist on this higher plane, we are no longer simply biological constructs, but instead we are thought and awareness inside a body. These
thoughts give clues to our immortal nature, for surely thoughts outlive biology in the most obvious of ways. This is why Shakespeare's words remain
as profound today as they were when they were written, and this is why the mythologies since time immemorial continue to be told to this day. Indeed,
the characters names of mythology will change from culture to culture, and Heracles, or Hercules will tell a similar hero's journey of that of Jesus,
and today that similarity is told in myths such as Superman. Batman parallels that of Demeter and Orpheus, and even the Buddhist hero Radish, or the
Ashanti mythic hero Kwasi Benefo, all of whom journeyed the pits of hell to find their lost loves, and isn't this, after all, what Batman is doing?
Building his own underworld to battle the demons of Gotham, all to find some sort of resolution for his own loss, the death of his parents.
These mythic tales survive as they do as they speak to our soul, they offer truth in the form of fiction, and seek to instruct us all in how to act in
a mortal world, for there is no greater contradiction than that of the immortal being agreeing to exist in a mortal shell that comes with a simple
biological command; to survive! What a great contradiction that is, to be immortal and agree to play a game of mortality where the winners survive
and the losers don't. Herein also lies much of the confusion and turmoil we face as human beings. There are many who would reject this assertion of
immortality that outlives our biology, and this is their will and right to do so, and it is neither right nor wrong, but simply what is. However, it
is hard to imagine how one can exist on higher plane of existence without recognizing the reality of our immortality. Thus, either this higher plane
of existence is very real, and worthy of discussion, or it is merely delusion.
You speak of going back to understand where our thought systems come from, but who taught me I was immortal? Surely there are plenty of teachings
that make this assertion, but how could I possibly know this to be true without simply knowing it? Can knowledge be taught? Can we simply teach a
child that fire burns, and this will suffice as knowledge? The knowledge that fire burns comes from experience not teaching, and while both the child
and the cat will likely learn that a hot stove burns, the difference between the two, is that once a cat gains such knowledge, they are less likely to
know the pleasures of sitting on a cold stove, where a child is more likely to gain such knowledge, and even further, discover for themselves what
makes a hot stove hot, and what makes it cold.
What can be learned, can be unlearned, but knowledge remains knowledge. To reduce human evolution to simple biology is to ignore the very real
spiritual nature by which we live. On that spiritual level we are, as you put it, all in this together. However, it should be quite clear to anyone
other than the truly insane, regardless of what level of awareness we exist on, that in today's modern world, the situation is clearly insane. What
is causing this insanity? Is it simply just the polarization you speak to, or is this polarization simply a symptom of the insanity of which we
struggle with? In your O.P., you offer two possibilities that might happen if we don't all find a way to heal this insanity and pull together as a
The first scenario you offer is some eminent disaster that would speak to our consciousness in a way that we would recognize the common enemy we face
and work together to prevent this disaster. There is, in today's modern world, such scenarios presented as just that disaster, and the debatable
prophecy of anthropogenic global warming" or "climate change" has been offered as one such disaster. It remains debatable for several reasons, but
one of those reasons is that the solution being offered, is one of tyranny. Solutions are nothing more than methods of solving problems, but if that
method is useless, then it will not bring about the correct answer. Thus, it is not solutions we should be looking for, but answers. Solutions are
fine if they can help get us these answers, but it is often the solutions that become the very source of polarization you speak to.
As a teacher, I suspect you need not be lectured on the predicament of New Math and how this concept of teaching mathematics is now considered to be a
failure. Of course, the basic concepts of New Math were not wrong, and there is great value in teaching basic concepts such as use of sets, and
understanding mathematical theory. The problem was not in the conceptualization of New Math, but in its implementation. It was offered as a
solution, and not an answer. As a solution, it confounded parents who couldn't keep up with what was being taught, and felt helpless when it came to
teaching their own children simple arithmetic. It has been almost 30 years now since the National Commission on Excellence in Education first warned
that in their report A Nation at Risk
of the rising tide of mediocrity" in American schools, and much of this mediocrity can be seen in the
levels of mathematical skills our young students graduate with. Today we have PISA, coordinated by the OECD, that informs us that the U.S. is ranked
24th out of 29 nations surveyed in mathematics.
Clearly we need answers, and not just solutions. What are the answers to healing an insane populace? What is it that is making us all so insane? Is
it just simply polarization, or is that polarization a symptom of insanity? I keep coming back to this basic question. Where we once sought to find
answers to our psyche through spiritual practices, increasingly we turn to pseudo-scientist's who call themselves psychiatrists to heal our psyche's
and yet, all these new age Shaman's can offer is the same as the old, that being a life time relationship between the person and his or her Shaman.
Clearly no healing process is begun when all that is offered is a lifetime relationship of healing. How insane is that?
What I find so compelling, and why I am increasingly drawn to this thread, is that I have come to believe with all my heart, that you truly are
seeking truth, and that you are asking for a healing process to begin. You have shown through your composure, to me, both publicly and privately, a
remarkable capacity for compassion and a willingness to understand me. You have won me over as a friend, and earned my utmost respect, and for this
respect and friendship, I have been quite hard on you. I am so, because I expect so much of you, and yet this is just a justification for my own
personal views. Here is the thing, my good friend, we need not agree in order to come together. However, we must learn to respect each other, as you
have shown you are quite capable of doing so. Perhaps in attempting to instruct through demonstration and example, you will accomplish bringing souls
together much quicker than I with my vehement ways and passion for freedom.
Yet, where you offer respect and mutual understanding, there are others who would offer disrespect, not of personality, but of the right to life,
liberty and pursuit. I purposely omit happiness or property as it is that pursuit of either that defines in many ways freedom. Where some would
argue that absolute freedom means disregarding others freedom, I argue that what causes no harm, outside of defending life, liberty and pursuit, is by
nature a right, and this is how I have come to define freedom. Not because I was taught to believe this way, but because it is what I see as self
evident. It has become for me, knowledge. What can be learned can be unlearned, and much of the knowledge I have gained, only came after a process
With limited space, I conclude with gratitude and thank you sincerely for your time