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Why hasn't the US military secured the Arizona/Mexico border yet?

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posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by In nothing we trust
 


Arizona has killed itself with it's stupid laws it is passing.

I'm waiting for them to bring back not observing MLK day.

Wake up Arizona...stop being idiots. Then maybe we will care about what you are saying.


Keep Up The Good Fight Arizona, We have many other states following our lead, Lets not let them down.
No racial profiling needed, may a clean traffic stop and look at that Divers Licences and proof of insurance. That criminal that just made the famous Beer Run at the 7 & 11 store, does he / she speak English, do they have an I.D. ?
I like the idea those two cities in New York have about English as the Official Language to do business in their city.
MLK day, That holiday is going to stay and should. The voters that had the original problem with MLK day are all living in Sun City ( Gods Waiting Room) or still in their Villa in Scottsdale with the rest of the retired mafia of old. If Still Alive At All.




posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Ok...after reading your other replies it is safe to say you are not hear for intelligent debate.

Don't worry...you will still get tons of stars and flags because people are closet bigots on this site.

You will have tons of friends in no time here...ATS is becoming a gathering place for all kinds of hate...it seems all kind of hate is welcome here.


So have fun spreading your hate around...and btw I hope if you ever have a child they turn out to be a homosexual that marries a Mexican.


OutKast Searcher, Where is would seem, you and I don't agree on the issue of Illegals and Open Boarders or some other topics.
I have to agree with you here. Never needed to go to the Homosexual side of things.
Believe it or not, Yes, I lean Right, But I have now and had in the past many a friend that was either male or female that was only interested in their own sex. That was with people I worked with in Life Threatening situations too. Now retired, I still have many of the same friends. It didn't then and still does not today bother me.
But, Don't dance naked in front of me and I'll keep my clothes on for you.

OutKast Searcher, My young friend, keep an open mind, I believe there is help for you yet!



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:50 PM
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Arizona is reviving itself with the brilliant laws it has been passing.

So am I. We have too many Federal holidays as it is. Getting paid for not doing anything so you can "reflect" on the good that someone did ? Can't you do that on your own time ? Nothing against MLK, but what's the point ?

Wake up America, stop being idiots and maybe WE will start respecting what YOU say.



Peace



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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The way I view it this: If you don't take care of a problem initially, you'll never be able to overcome it. Snowball effect per se. So since our government realizes they waited too long, they're just trying to do what they think the people want, which ranges from A to Z. Therefore, no matter what happens, one side of the fence will feel shafted and repercussions are sure to follow. That's how I see it.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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I think Arizona should consider seceding from the Federal Union.

There is something seriously wrong with this country.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust
I think Arizona should consider seceding from the Federal Union.

There is something seriously wrong with this country.


When almost everyone is against you and you continue to feel you are right, sometimes it really is that you are wrong.

I'm glad to see that you ignored the avalanche of scorn you've received. We eat trolls for breakfast friend, and you're no exception.

Peace
KJ



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust
We're at war here. American citizens have been killed.


We have a lot more citizens killing other citizens than we ever have had done by illegal aliens.

Actually, some border permeability is generally beneficial to both countries, and doesn't represent a viable threat to the security of either United States or Mexico. And it certainly isn't worth the time and expense needed to seal the border airtight. If the War on Drugs has taught us anything, control is a much more viable option than prohibition.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 05:26 PM
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Let's step back for a minute and assume that the government did want to do something about the invasion.

To put troops on the border, you would have to give them authority to defend the country using deadly force. They cannot act like cops and try to apprehend.

For many, both soldier and civilian, despite the invasion, it would be hard to accept taking shots at people in groups that include women and children, mostly unarmed.

To do anything less, does not warrant military force.

There are people who can't stand the realization that the border is essentially a war zone on US soil. The government certainly doesn't want to say or insinuate that, it would be political suicide.

I prefer the idea of a more massive border security force. That, or let the government buy up all the open area 20 miles to the border and turn it all into a live bomb range for training.

[edit on 14-5-2010 by Wolf321]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust
I think Arizona should consider seceding from the Federal Union.


I would be happier to see California gone. They are social drain (and likely to be a financial one soon) on the US. quasi-communitist/socialist celebs, illegal appeasers, San Fransisco. The sooner they are gone, either by choice or by falling into the ocean in the big one, the better.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 05:44 PM
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I agree with your post but, you need to tell the guy in your sig file that silencers do not work on revolvers. You need to have a semi-auto. Hollywood never quite got that right.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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Because in order for us to do so we would have to break the Posse Comitatus Act which disallows the use of federal US troops within the borders of the US to do what is essentially a police action.

For your information - a LOT of us (people in the military) feel EXACTLY the same way you do, we want to go down there, fully armed, and kick people in the teeth (except for women and children, however, due to that law, we can't.

Besides, if we did.... there'd be about 20000000000000 new threads on this forum detailing the "real" sinister plans of the US Government by breaking the act.

I heard from good sources that the national guard was going to be called into action to help out BP - but I don't know what the extent of that operation would be, nor could I divulge any details here if I did.

Sorry dude.

[edit on 14-5-2010 by mf_luder]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by Blue Shift

Actually, some border permeability is generally beneficial to both countries, and doesn't represent a viable threat to the security of either United States or Mexico. And it certainly isn't worth the time and expense needed to seal the border airtight.


Yeah it's really benificial to have an open border.



Staggering Cost Of Illegal Aliens In America
Taxpayers Taken To The Cleaners


Illegal alien migration into the United States costs American taxpayers $346 billion annually reported by the National Research Council.

www.rense.com...


How many illegal aliens do you think are in America now?
a) What illegal aliens?
b) 10 million
c) 20 million
d) 50 million

Now how many live in the border states of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas do you think?


[edit on 14-5-2010 by In nothing we trust]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 06:50 PM
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This one is easy..

The GOP & DNC will only mobilize the military spending trillions to protect "American interests".. by definition, the GOP & DNC don't consider securing the border in Americas interest... because it's not.

Corporate Americas banker gangsters, and their subservient GOP & DNC dear leaders, care a-lot more about cheap slave labor, than about your safety. Besides, the war on terror is fake.. a modern day "Red menace", there is no real threat to keep out.

..and when the man gets bored, he can foment some old fashioned divide & conquer anger to keep tax slaves & labor slaves from uniting against their common foe: the establishment... Joe and Jose are brothers getting screwed by the same "man"... I don't see illegals manning gestapo "papers please?" checkpoints, evicting home owners, spending the nation into massive debt, voting the PATRIOT act into law, lying 2 wars into being, bailing out wall street.. OR doing anything remotely close to stopping illegals from walking here.

The US/Mexico border is a giant frustrating joke by official design of the republican & democratic partys.. one of those "hot button" issue they use to their profitable / political advantage.



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 12:14 AM
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Well why don't we just redistribute the millions of illegal aliens here in Arizona to the other states of the nation.

You love them so much they can come be your new neighbor.

\We need to list all states and cities that don't favor the Arizona immigration law as a favorable place for illegals to relocate to.

You want cheap labor American traitors here ya go.

Jose and Juanita are moving in next store to you.

[edit on 15-5-2010 by In nothing we trust]



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Well why don't we just redistribute the millions of illegal aliens here in Arizona to the other states of the nation.

You love them so much they can come be your new neighbor.

\We need to list all states and cities that don't favor the Arizona immigration law as a favorable place for illegals to relocate to.

You want cheap labor American traitors here ya go.

Jose and Juanita are moving in next store to you.

[edit on 15-5-2010 by In nothing we trust]


It's not about people, it's about the big picture of the system. These people are you neighbors who shop where you do, drive the same streets, go to the same schools.. and if the US military ever mobilizes against us, Joe and Jose will be shoulder to shoulder in the streets facing down the exact same tyranny.

If this was a game of chess, you'd be the white pawn, an "illegal" the black pawn.. both being played.



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 02:46 AM
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Originally posted by GovtFlu
These people are you neighbors who shop where you do, drive the same streets, go to the same schools.. and if the US military ever mobilizes against us, Joe and Jose will be shoulder to shoulder in the streets facing down the exact same tyranny.


Unless there is a Wal-mart, they are shopping at some local mexican place run by legal (and illegal) workers. *They drive the streets without a license or insurance, many times drunk, and unable to read the signs or know the rules and causing accidents they can't pay for or be arrested for. Only their anchor babies go to the same schools, and it cost more tax dollars because we have to offer classes in their native spanish. If the US military ever mobilzed against its own citizens, you think these illegals are going to come out and fight? HA! They wouldn't even stay and fight their own corrupt governments. More likely, they will just move farther north. Get ready Canada.

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[edit on 15-5-2010 by Wolf321]



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 03:04 AM
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If we wanted to stop the illegals, we would. We don't want to. It's about politics (getting the Hispanic vote, not to mention other minorities that have sympathy for illegals) and money (cheap labor). What they're doing in Arizona is alienating voters and robbing business owners of their cheap labor.



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