“Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”

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posted on May, 13 2010 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by XxRagingxPandaxX
very good thread! But if you want to blame someone for them coming over here blame big corporations. they come over to the U.S.A because conditions in their country are so bad, and there not here to "take over our towns." There here to make a living and feed their families. Like I said do not blame them, blame big bushiness in the U.S.A for moving to Mexico so they don't have to pay their employees minimum wage!




Exactly! Before big American corporations moved in, Mexico was the most advanced country in the world! The people had the highest standard of living and everything was great! Mexican drug cartels have nothing to do with immigration, it was the CORPORATIONS, they literally knocked down good ol' Mexico and built bad, new Mexico! (Not New Mexico the state). It's as if they erased all traces of the glorious, ultra-Modern paradise of old-Mexico! Damned corporations!


You "don't blame them" for breaking the law? How do you think the people who invested significant time and money immigrating to America legally feel about that? Do you like people cutting in line?

Don't you think we should be able to keep track of WHO we let into our country? Do you WANT just ANYBODY to be your neighbor? Timmy Taliban from Afghanistan, for instance...how would you like Timmy as a neighbor? I mean, he only wants what's best for his family, right? Hard-line Islam and Opium trafficking is just a way to get his family to paradise, who can blame the guy?

If your feeling trolled right now, take a step back and take a deep breath.

Absorb the message.




posted on May, 13 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 

This is a hypothetical scenario, and entirely feasible. Don't you agree?
If not, what part of the scenario do you find implausible?



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 07:14 PM
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You bring up some very interesting points as well.

Send 'em all back home, and fine the companies that hire illegals to the point they can't stay in business anymore.


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posted on May, 13 2010 @ 07:20 PM
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It's not even close to racism. Illegal Mexican immigration just happens to be the biggest problem. It's simple geography. If we shared a border with Switzerland and they had the same issues as Mexico and so many immigrated illegally and drained our economy, we'd have the same issues with the Swiss... Playing the race card like that is a simple way of showing you have nothing legitimate to say other than the same nonsense as anyone else throwing that card on the table.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by Johnze
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread571223
 


Yes, want to know why its allowed?, because the laws the government will introduce to solve the problem will then in turn be used against the nationals who protested and demanded these laws in the first place.

I really just cant see how retarded people can be to actually blame an entire ethnic group of people doing nothing but trying to make a better life for them selves rather than blaming the actual authorities who allow it to happen, madness.


Ok goody another one of the "if you dont agree with illegal immigration your racists" people. Illegal immigration is not about race its about illegal immigrants Johnze.


I know your type you want open borders and you also want caucasians to be full of white guilt. Your a racist because you think mexicans should be privileged and be able to come here illegally. What about all the people who cant come here illegally due to oceans and distance? What about people who did it the right way and are legal?



Look the blacks are racist!!! They are against illegal aliens so now they are racists correct?

www.youtube.com...

OK so now we have black racists marching against illegals.

But you Johnze your the racist you are saying Mexicans are privileged and can come over illegally.

Why arent you petitioning to build a bridge to Africa so the poor ethiopians can come over?? They are in way worst shape than mexicans.

If you are saying its ok for mexicans to do it illegally then you better be saying LET EVERYONE COME IN or you are racist!

You cant have it both ways. Either enforce the law or let everyone from every country come over illegally and push our population to a billion plus!!!
Make us a third world country.

Not everyone can come to america we cant support 6 billion people so the laws are in place to protect our sovereignty and also to give everyone a fair shot at becoming a US citizen.

Mexicans are no better than anyone else from any other country.










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posted on May, 13 2010 @ 07:37 PM
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There are also Illegals from other countries and they are not Mexicans.

Lets see. We have Cubans, Hatians, Nigerians, Many others ... Oh and Kenyan as well!

All are in violation of the Current Immigration Laws. So I agree with you 110% it has nothing to do with race.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 07:40 PM
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They are here to take over our towns. We must stop this Illegal Invasion.


I bet that's what the natives said.

How about this, stop them from coming in and make Joe illegal a legal.
He would be punished just like anyone if he didn't pay his taxes.

Isn't that what it's all about, living the same way as you?
Problem solved.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by SWCCFAN
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There are also Illegals from other countries and they are not Mexicans.

Lets see. We have Cubans, Hatians, Nigerians, Many others ... Oh and Kenyan as well!

All are in violation of the Current Immigration Laws. So I agree with you 110% it has nothing to do with race.



Exactly, its just the vast majority are from Mexico. Has nothing to do with race. The people who are pro illegal know they are wrong and only use the race card as a distractor and a strawman arguement.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by jaden_x


They are here to take over our towns. We must stop this Illegal Invasion.


I bet that's what the natives said.

How about this, stop them from coming in and make Joe illegal a legal.
He would be punished just like anyone if he didn't pay his taxes.

Isn't that what it's all about, living the same way as you?
Problem solved.


So the people who became legals the right way were stupid huh?
Thats really fair to them huh? BTW the natives didnt have a nation with laws.

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posted on May, 13 2010 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by SWCCFAN



Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes
$25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.



Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00
per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has
$31,231.00.



Did good ole Joe Legal just get taxed twice? Does not compute....Does not compute....



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by ker2010

Originally posted by Johnze
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread571223
 


Yes, want to know why its allowed?, because the laws the government will introduce to solve the problem will then in turn be used against the nationals who protested and demanded these laws in the first place.

I really just cant see how retarded people can be to actually blame an entire ethnic group of people doing nothing but trying to make a better life for them selves rather than blaming the actual authorities who allow it to happen, madness.


Ok goody another one of the "if you dont agree with illegal immigration your racists" people. Illegal immigration is not about race its about illegal immigrants Johnze.


I know your type you want open borders and you also want caucasians to be full of white guilt. Your a racist because you think mexicans should be privileged and be able to come here illegally. What about all the people who cant come here illegally due to oceans and distance? What about people who did it the right way and are legal?



Look the blacks are racist!!! They are against illegal aliens so now they are racists correct?

www.youtube.com...

OK so now we have black racists marching against illegals.

But you Johnze your the racist you are saying Mexicans are privileged and can come over illegally.

Why arent you petitioning to build a bridge to Africa so the poor ethiopians can come over?? They are in way worst shape than mexicans.

If you are saying its ok for mexicans to do it illegally then you better be saying LET EVERYONE COME IN or you are racist!

You cant have it both ways. Either enforce the law or let everyone from every country come over illegally and push our population to a billion plus!!!
Make us a third world country.

Not everyone can come to america we cant support 6 billion people so the laws are in place to protect our sovereignty and also to give everyone a fair shot at becoming a US citizen.

Mexicans are no better than anyone else from any other country.












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[edit on 13-5-2010 by ker2010]
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Well said. These are important points that pro illegals either don't understand or don't want to. I am sick to death of this racist nonsense. There is nothing racist about this.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 07:54 PM
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The same can be said about Charlie Crackdealer. Drug dealers don't pay taxes either. Movie stars evade taxes. Congress evades taxes. Hell even the secretary of treasury evades taxes. You can put this same scenario up for all of them. Its just criminals in general that do that, not only illegals. As a matter of fact, I wonder if any drug dealers collect welfare/food stamps, by golly they do! IMO we should just make them legal, force them to report their income like everyone else and tax the hell out of it like everyone else. Just like we should make drugs legal and tax the hell out of them like cigs and alcohol.


 
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posted on May, 13 2010 @ 07:56 PM
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You DO realize that some illegals do pay taxes, right? Probably a lot more than you think. Also, as another poster said, quit blaming an entire race of people for taking something that is being GIVEN to them which is FAR better than anything else they have to BUST THEIR A** for in their own country and STILL barely make it-- BARELY, if at all.

Target the person who gave "Jose Illegal" (disgusting) his pay check in the first place KNOWING he is illegal.




posted on May, 13 2010 @ 07:56 PM
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So the people who became legals the right way were stupid huh?


What makes it right or wrong? You fill out forms and wait to be approved, that's the only way. You think they want to be illegals? If they could get a visa and come they would, haven't you seen the amount of people that show up at these reform events?

These people live in places so bad you probably couldn't even imagine, they will do what is human and try to survive. Yes, it is unfortunate that they had to cross the border, but now that they're here, have them go trough the "right" process.

If you think this is still wrong, then it's a racial issue at this point.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 07:57 PM
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you make me wanna vomit! the globalists bring them here to break us!! this proves it.. so a band of marauders are just invading your village, eating up your reserve food, depleting your community funds, but HEY, THEY ARE JUST FEEDING THEIR FAMILY... and if we fight back we are racist? my anglo/viking heritage says bring it..add the the joe vs jose that they set up whites and blacks to get fired and bring in their own kind. they are way more prejudice against black people. they are raping what MY ANCESTORS PAID FOR IN BLOOD AND SWEAT FOR OVER 600 YEARS!!.. NO SIR no mas!!



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 08:09 PM
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I will change it. It is $25/hr before taxes.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by jaden_x


So the people who became legals the right way were stupid huh?


What makes it right or wrong? You fill out forms and wait to be approved, that's the only way. You think they want to be illegals? If they could get a visa and come they would, haven't you seen the amount of people that show up at these reform events?

These people live in places so bad you probably couldn't even imagine, they will do what is human and try to survive. Yes, it is unfortunate that they had to cross the border, but now that they're here, have them go trough the "right" process.

If you think this is still wrong, then it's a racial issue at this point.


Ive have yet one pro illegaler refute this, heres your chance


But you Johnze your the racist you are saying Mexicans are privileged and can come over illegally.

Why arent you petitioning to build a bridge to Africa so the poor ethiopians can come over?? They are in way worst shape than mexicans.

If you are saying its ok for mexicans to do it illegally then you better be saying LET EVERYONE COME IN or you are racist!

You cant have it both ways. Either enforce the law or let everyone from every country come over illegally and push our population to a billion plus!!!
Make us a third world country.

Not everyone can come to america we cant support 6 billion people so the laws are in place to protect our sovereignty and also to give everyone a fair shot at becoming a US citizen.

Mexicans are no better than anyone else from any other country.

Jaden do we send boats to africa and get all the starving?
So if their are 2 billion starving people we bring them all to america even though we cant support them? Afterall they are in a way worse place than mexico

You gotta say yes cause if you say no according to your logic your a racist.



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posted on May, 13 2010 @ 08:16 PM
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Where is the racism? Do you not understand that Joe Legal and Jose Illegal are both Hispanic (Mexican)?



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by jaden_x


How about this, stop them from coming in and make Joe illegal a legal.
He would be punished just like anyone if he didn't pay his taxes.

Isn't that what it's all about, living the same way as you?
Problem solved.


Here is a better Idea. Hand them paperwork on how to come here legally then deport them. If they have children strip their citizenship if Neither parent is a citizen and deport them too. If one parent is a legal citizen give them the option to stay with the children or go.

All illegals must be deported regardless of Race. After all they Could be Alquida.... Can we prove they are not?



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 08:22 PM
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Actually, not just "cussing & crying" but standing on the street, yelling & holding signs (including protesting in other cities- some clear across the country) & bombarding our reps (for all the good THAT did, being in Texas). A HUGE part of the outrage is that Obama is not only upholding the crap that Bush/Cheney did but adding worse.





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