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Topic started on 11-5-2010 @ 04:55 PM by StrangeBrew
The following is an exposé by the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service on fraudulent activity at Wikipedia.
There is nothing quite like a paper trail, and Wikipedia has one. Consequently, you can read for yourself all the material that has been added, and then deleted.
For example: Wikipedia's page about Dr. Max Gerson
The doctor is widely known for the nutritional cancer therapy that bears his name. Gerson's principal biographer is his grandson, Howard Straus
Mr. Straus tells the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service of some interesting experiences he has had with Wikipedia bias:
"Some years ago, on seeing that the pages for Dr. Max Gerson and the Gerson Therapy were only stubs (short place-holders with little information on them), I took it upon myself to flesh out the pages. I thought Wikipedia was fairly neutral on balance, so I put in all the information that I could, and kept it factual with references, citations, and literature links."
Within a month, the following had happened:
"The information was labeled as "biased" and "unreliable" because I am Dr. Gerson's grandson and biographer. There appeared a big red flag at the top of the article labeling the articles neutrality "dubious." The photograph I posted was removed. Provable, referenced facts, with dates and places, all suddenly became "claims," even quotes from no less than Nobel Laureate Albert Schweitzer, M.D., who famously said: "I see in Dr. Max Gerson one of the most eminent geniuses in medical history." Dr. Schweitzer and his wife were patients of Dr. Gerson, making this a first-hand account from a rather reliable source."
"All my links, references and citations were removed. They were replaced by links to the American Cancer Society and National Cancer Institute, which offer only criticism of the Gerson Therapy. Even quotations from published scientific papers were removed. Attempts to rectify these actions were immediately overwritten."
It's easy enough to show the progression of the pages, since Wikipedia displays former edits on request, dated and documented. One can verify this by clicking on the "History" tab at the top of the Max Gerson page, and looking at 2005 and before. My editing is archived at HERE and at HERE
A second Wikipedia page, specific to the Gerson Therapy, has been completely removed.
To see something of what happened, you can click the "History" tab here as well.
One other intriguing statement about Dr. Gerson's work that is probably too "unreliable" to be seen on Wikipedia:
"I know of one patient who turned to Gerson Therapy having been told she was suffering from terminal cancer and would not survive another course of chemotherapy. Happily, seven years later, she is alive and well. So it is vital that, rather than dismissing such experiences, we should further investigate the beneficial nature of these treatments." - H.R.H. Charles, Prince of Wales
Max Gerson is not the only nutritionally-oriented physician whose work is slanted or censored at Wikipedia; many others exist.
For More Information on Max Gerson, M.D. and the Gerson Therapy:
Complete Bibliography of Dr Gerson's Publishings
Extensive list of papers on the Gerson Therapy
Additional Reading
Charlotte Gerson
A short video of Gerson Therapy results and testimonials:
Documentaries about the Gerson Therapy:
Documentaries featuring the Gerson Therapy:
Further links for the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine:
orthomolecular.org...
orthomolecular.org...
orthomolecular.org...
Orthomolecular medicine uses safe, effective nutritional therapy to fight illness.
The peer-reviewed Orthomolecular Medicine News Service is a non-profit and non-commercial informational resource.
There is nothing quite like a paper trail, and Wikipedia has one. Consequently, you can read for yourself all the material that has been added, and then deleted.
For example: Wikipedia's page about Dr. Max Gerson
The doctor is widely known for the nutritional cancer therapy that bears his name. Gerson's principal biographer is his grandson, Howard Straus
Mr. Straus tells the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service of some interesting experiences he has had with Wikipedia bias:
"Some years ago, on seeing that the pages for Dr. Max Gerson and the Gerson Therapy were only stubs (short place-holders with little information on them), I took it upon myself to flesh out the pages. I thought Wikipedia was fairly neutral on balance, so I put in all the information that I could, and kept it factual with references, citations, and literature links."
Within a month, the following had happened:
"The information was labeled as "biased" and "unreliable" because I am Dr. Gerson's grandson and biographer. There appeared a big red flag at the top of the article labeling the articles neutrality "dubious." The photograph I posted was removed. Provable, referenced facts, with dates and places, all suddenly became "claims," even quotes from no less than Nobel Laureate Albert Schweitzer, M.D., who famously said: "I see in Dr. Max Gerson one of the most eminent geniuses in medical history." Dr. Schweitzer and his wife were patients of Dr. Gerson, making this a first-hand account from a rather reliable source."
"All my links, references and citations were removed. They were replaced by links to the American Cancer Society and National Cancer Institute, which offer only criticism of the Gerson Therapy. Even quotations from published scientific papers were removed. Attempts to rectify these actions were immediately overwritten."
It's easy enough to show the progression of the pages, since Wikipedia displays former edits on request, dated and documented. One can verify this by clicking on the "History" tab at the top of the Max Gerson page, and looking at 2005 and before. My editing is archived at HERE and at HERE
A second Wikipedia page, specific to the Gerson Therapy, has been completely removed.
To see something of what happened, you can click the "History" tab here as well.
One other intriguing statement about Dr. Gerson's work that is probably too "unreliable" to be seen on Wikipedia:
"I know of one patient who turned to Gerson Therapy having been told she was suffering from terminal cancer and would not survive another course of chemotherapy. Happily, seven years later, she is alive and well. So it is vital that, rather than dismissing such experiences, we should further investigate the beneficial nature of these treatments." - H.R.H. Charles, Prince of Wales
Max Gerson is not the only nutritionally-oriented physician whose work is slanted or censored at Wikipedia; many others exist.
For More Information on Max Gerson, M.D. and the Gerson Therapy:
Complete Bibliography of Dr Gerson's Publishings
Extensive list of papers on the Gerson Therapy
Additional Reading
Charlotte Gerson
A short video of Gerson Therapy results and testimonials:
Documentaries about the Gerson Therapy:
Documentaries featuring the Gerson Therapy:
Further links for the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine:
orthomolecular.org...
orthomolecular.org...
orthomolecular.org...
Orthomolecular medicine uses safe, effective nutritional therapy to fight illness.
The peer-reviewed Orthomolecular Medicine News Service is a non-profit and non-commercial informational resource.
reply posted on 11-5-2010 @ 06:02 PM by Kailassa
reply to post by StrangeBrew
I've noticed this tendency on the part of Wikipedia on medical subjects.
I suspect the drug companies are hiring educated people to edit these subjects and squeeze out any "non-conventional" views.
It's pretty obvious they also hire a few posters here for similar reasons.
I've noticed this tendency on the part of Wikipedia on medical subjects.
I suspect the drug companies are hiring educated people to edit these subjects and squeeze out any "non-conventional" views.
It's pretty obvious they also hire a few posters here for similar reasons.
reply posted on 11-5-2010 @ 06:10 PM by VneZonyDostupa
Originally posted by Kailassa
reply to post by StrangeBrew
I've noticed this tendency on the part of Wikipedia on medical subjects.
I suspect the drug companies are hiring educated people to edit these subjects and squeeze out any "non-conventional" views.
It's pretty obvious they also hire a few posters here for similar reasons.
You realize that both Wikipedia and this site are freely editable by anyone, right? Why does it automatically have to be "pharma shills" when a website asks you to give references to verifiable sources rather than self-written reports and books?
reply posted on 14-5-2010 @ 06:41 AM by StrangeBrew
reply to post by Maxmars
Thanks for speaking on Wikipedia's value.
The unfortunate part about editable encyclopedia content lies with the average member of the public. The majority of people who proactively choose to read through an encyclopedia entry aren't willing or are aware of how to wade through a messy array of edited entries from the annals of the database.
These days on the Internet Wikipedia content is highly prized as anyone can see for themselves with a random Internet search. More often than not Wikipedia comes back as a number one hit, directing large amounts of traffic for any subject matter.
The average Internet user, who doesn't necessarily have the time to take on hours of reading and research, feels that they can adequately equip themselves with a thorough understanding of a topic by reading over a Wikipedia page.
Great as it may be for informing yourself on the migratory habits of varies species of duck or the history of swing music's popularity in the 1930's, Wikipedia value drops sharply with any matters of critical importance.
Thanks for speaking on Wikipedia's value.
The unfortunate part about editable encyclopedia content lies with the average member of the public. The majority of people who proactively choose to read through an encyclopedia entry aren't willing or are aware of how to wade through a messy array of edited entries from the annals of the database.
These days on the Internet Wikipedia content is highly prized as anyone can see for themselves with a random Internet search. More often than not Wikipedia comes back as a number one hit, directing large amounts of traffic for any subject matter.
The average Internet user, who doesn't necessarily have the time to take on hours of reading and research, feels that they can adequately equip themselves with a thorough understanding of a topic by reading over a Wikipedia page.
Great as it may be for informing yourself on the migratory habits of varies species of duck or the history of swing music's popularity in the 1930's, Wikipedia value drops sharply with any matters of critical importance.
reply posted on 14-5-2010 @ 06:58 AM by StrangeBrew
reply to post by Kailassa
It's a shame that Wikipedia finds itself in the position of relying on the use an authoritarian moderator system. Of course it is the ability for anyone to contribute freely to Wikipedia article content at anytime, but it is the fact that newly added contributions are effectively moderated and are dealt with as seen fit by those chosen for such positions.
Certain topics, again those of critical importance, are moderated and ruled with an iron fist approach. With these subjects, as quickly as something goes in; it's back out in record time – always by the same few moderator usernames, some times dozens of times per day and hundreds of times per month.
With the large amounts of search engine traffic handled by Wikipedia, it isn't difficult to understand how these moderator positions could been seen as highly valuable and heavily sought after. It also isn't difficult to fathom the value of controlling that level of public exposure to information.
It's easy to envision the amount of lobbying and compensation that could be taking place to control this set of highly viewed, public information.
It's a shame that Wikipedia finds itself in the position of relying on the use an authoritarian moderator system. Of course it is the ability for anyone to contribute freely to Wikipedia article content at anytime, but it is the fact that newly added contributions are effectively moderated and are dealt with as seen fit by those chosen for such positions.
Certain topics, again those of critical importance, are moderated and ruled with an iron fist approach. With these subjects, as quickly as something goes in; it's back out in record time – always by the same few moderator usernames, some times dozens of times per day and hundreds of times per month.
With the large amounts of search engine traffic handled by Wikipedia, it isn't difficult to understand how these moderator positions could been seen as highly valuable and heavily sought after. It also isn't difficult to fathom the value of controlling that level of public exposure to information.
It's easy to envision the amount of lobbying and compensation that could be taking place to control this set of highly viewed, public information.
reply posted on 14-5-2010 @ 07:27 AM by StrangeBrew
reply to post by jjjtir
All versions of electronic information are susceptible to tampering. It serve to reason that we may begin to see regular occurrences of it happen as time goes on.
There was a story recently in the news about Amazon deleting purchased copies of George Orwell's 1984 from customer's electronic Kindle devices due to a “violation of copyrights”. If a corporation has the ability to remotely delete electronic content then they also have the ability to remotely edit electronic content.
The Gerson Therapy uses a mixture of potassium salts as a part of it's supplementation. Specifically potassium glauconate and potassium phosphate are used to raise the alkalinity and pH of the body's cells.
Unfortunately, the Wikipedia page on Max Gerson is a shell of what it should be and the section on the therapy it self is nothing like the actual therapy promoted by the Gerson Institute and practiced around the world.
Any attempts by me or anyone else to document current work such as that of Prof. Yoshihiko Hoshino, M.D in Japan or the 500 hundred cancer patients of Dr. Tominaga, of the Director of the Loma Linda Clinic, who are currently on the Gerson Therapy (of which over half no longer show any signs of cancer), would be swiftly met by moderated deletion.
Or for instance the mention of the Director of the prestigious Toritsu Ohtsuka Hosptial, in Tokyo, Dr. Takaho Watayo who is on record extensively proclaiming the miraculous effects of the Gerson Therapy on his cancer patients. One of the most eminent and well respected surgeons in Japan, he readily describes the Gerson Therapy as magnificent. Wide public exposure of that fact on the level that Wikipedia meets would be heavily protected.
It really is too bad we don't have the degree of medical freedom of choice that they share in Japan.
All versions of electronic information are susceptible to tampering. It serve to reason that we may begin to see regular occurrences of it happen as time goes on.
There was a story recently in the news about Amazon deleting purchased copies of George Orwell's 1984 from customer's electronic Kindle devices due to a “violation of copyrights”. If a corporation has the ability to remotely delete electronic content then they also have the ability to remotely edit electronic content.
The Gerson Therapy uses a mixture of potassium salts as a part of it's supplementation. Specifically potassium glauconate and potassium phosphate are used to raise the alkalinity and pH of the body's cells.
Unfortunately, the Wikipedia page on Max Gerson is a shell of what it should be and the section on the therapy it self is nothing like the actual therapy promoted by the Gerson Institute and practiced around the world.
Any attempts by me or anyone else to document current work such as that of Prof. Yoshihiko Hoshino, M.D in Japan or the 500 hundred cancer patients of Dr. Tominaga, of the Director of the Loma Linda Clinic, who are currently on the Gerson Therapy (of which over half no longer show any signs of cancer), would be swiftly met by moderated deletion.
Or for instance the mention of the Director of the prestigious Toritsu Ohtsuka Hosptial, in Tokyo, Dr. Takaho Watayo who is on record extensively proclaiming the miraculous effects of the Gerson Therapy on his cancer patients. One of the most eminent and well respected surgeons in Japan, he readily describes the Gerson Therapy as magnificent. Wide public exposure of that fact on the level that Wikipedia meets would be heavily protected.
It really is too bad we don't have the degree of medical freedom of choice that they share in Japan.
reply posted on 14-5-2010 @ 07:56 AM by ANNED
Originally posted by Kailassa
reply to post by StrangeBrew
I've noticed this tendency on the part of Wikipedia on medical subjects.
I suspect the drug companies are hiring educated people to edit these subjects and squeeze out any "non-conventional" views.
It's pretty obvious they also hire a few posters here for similar reasons.
With the page on Wikipedia fibromyalgia the changes have been directly linked to the insurance industry.
The page has become so bad the it is no longer any use to people with fibro and about 90% of the information is bogus.
reply posted on 21-12-2011 @ 03:39 PM by MegaGorilla
I was also disgusted to see the bias allowed on the Wiki "Max Gerson" listing, marginalizing the subject. I did an edit and an hour later it was
back to what it was. The moderator (Ronz) told me The Gerson Therapy book was not an acceptable reference, pointing me toward Wiki's rules about
"neutrality". When I replied that the current Gerson article is biased, Ronz said basically that the American Cancer Society and National Cancer
Institute trumped all other references. Basically Ronz says that any other references that countered the ACS and NCI references would be seen as
lacking neutrality.I explained that those organizations have been historically biased against Gerson, but Ronz was not hearing it. I was told that
they don't want me to do any more edits on the article, but I explained that I will be back despite Ronz's and Wikipedia's efforts to censor me
(and apparently many others).
See the whole thread here: en.wikipedia.org...:Amusedspaceman&diff=0&oldid=466929592
My goal is track down this article by a top Japanese doctor to see if Wiki's claim of publishing references from only reputable national or international papers holds true: www.thefreelibrary.com...
If anyone can help me track it down, it would be much appreciated.
See the whole thread here: en.wikipedia.org...:Amusedspaceman&diff=0&oldid=466929592
My goal is track down this article by a top Japanese doctor to see if Wiki's claim of publishing references from only reputable national or international papers holds true: www.thefreelibrary.com...
If anyone can help me track it down, it would be much appreciated.
reply posted on 22-12-2011 @ 10:38 AM by StrangeBrew
reply to post by MegaGorilla
Hey there MegaGorilla,
Thank you for your attempts at improving the content on Max Gerson’s wiki page. You’re right, many have tried. And thanks for detailing your experience with the wikipedia moderator. He out right told you that The American Cancer Society and The National Cancer Institute has a complete information monopoly on anything relating to cancer and all topics/subjects that are indirectly related.
Anyone using Wikipedia this time of year becomes very familiar with their “quarter of a page plea” for monetary donations. I’m sure The American Cancer Society and The National Cancer Institute are all more than happy to donate. After all, it’s an investment. An advertisement of the best kind.
It could be difficult tracking down the published research you refer to simply because it would be in Japanese and hard to recognize what we’re looking at should we find it. It would be really great to have help from someone comfortable with the language. I’m sure it’s online somewhere.
Hey there MegaGorilla,
Thank you for your attempts at improving the content on Max Gerson’s wiki page. You’re right, many have tried. And thanks for detailing your experience with the wikipedia moderator. He out right told you that The American Cancer Society and The National Cancer Institute has a complete information monopoly on anything relating to cancer and all topics/subjects that are indirectly related.
Anyone using Wikipedia this time of year becomes very familiar with their “quarter of a page plea” for monetary donations. I’m sure The American Cancer Society and The National Cancer Institute are all more than happy to donate. After all, it’s an investment. An advertisement of the best kind.
It could be difficult tracking down the published research you refer to simply because it would be in Japanese and hard to recognize what we’re looking at should we find it. It would be really great to have help from someone comfortable with the language. I’m sure it’s online somewhere.
reply posted on 23-12-2011 @ 05:58 PM by nobodysavedme
reply to post by StrangeBrew
you are quite correct.
wiki censors a lot of information they can no longer be trusted.
i would not be surprised if some of them are consultants for various interest groups with golden hand shakes waiting for them.
i remember there used to be a page on blood electrification which is now a stub as wiki censors have removed everything.
in contrast to this the number of research articles,pages,blogs,articles,groups,devices produced for blood electrification have gone up exponentially.
i would not bother with editing wiki.
...unless you have a lot of time and lots of friends who are willing to battle with the censors and keep them busy with reapplying the edits.
you are quite correct.
wiki censors a lot of information they can no longer be trusted.
i would not be surprised if some of them are consultants for various interest groups with golden hand shakes waiting for them.
i remember there used to be a page on blood electrification which is now a stub as wiki censors have removed everything.
in contrast to this the number of research articles,pages,blogs,articles,groups,devices produced for blood electrification have gone up exponentially.
i would not bother with editing wiki.
...unless you have a lot of time and lots of friends who are willing to battle with the censors and keep them busy with reapplying the edits.
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