Arizon Gov hits back against Obama border remark on YouTube! Gotta see!

reply to post by WTFover


Ofcourse there were laws already establishing the punishment for businesses who hire illegals. But are these laws enforced? Did the Republicans bother to pass a law requiring further state or Federal investigations into these corporations? Sure they'll make the statement more so, but are they enforcing this law? You have political opportunists spending most of their time focusing on the border and only what illegals should look like, but you never see them cracking down on those businesses that continue to hire them.

For some reason after 30 years corporatons still hire these illegals and get away with it and yet we continue to look away from this fact. We pass laws re-establishing the fact it is illegal but where is this enforcement? You can stop anybody off the road that looks suspicious, can you search a business without a warrant? For some reason these businesses are getting away with hiring these peole, and yet the politicians refuse to pay attention at that fact. You refuse to pay attention to that fact. You need a scapegoat and the corporations conveniently are not one them. I mean look at the part you referenced me over the bill. These businesses are obligated to release records of employees to the state? As if they have not been deceptive before??

I can tell you right now this law will amount to little to nothing to change the situation in Arizona and other states. And these corporations will continue to get away with hiring these people because nobody seems to be focusing on them. So long as the politicans continue to pay a blind eye to who is hiring these illegals, the situation will not go away.

[edit on 9-5-2010 by Southern Guardian]

Originally posted by xyankee

Originally posted by warpcrafter
Someone needs to smack the smug right off of that teleprompter-reading buffoon's face. It's painfully obvious that the plan is to make the US into a third world country. They almost got away with it, but not anymore!!!

I agree with you on that 100% it makes me sick to watch this guy. I would love a chance to kick his @&&.

The thing that I don't understand is why don't we repeal the law that makes profiling illegal. Think about it, the ONLY thing that it protects is the actual people committing the crime. Profiling is an effective means to doing the job. If you are trying to stop a certain problem like Mexicans crossing the border illegally would it not make since to check Mexicans for papers? If I were a person who was Mexican, and was here legally with papers, I would honestly understand. Another case is police sitting down the street from a bar, and pulls people over to see if they are drunk as they leave the bar. If you have a problem with people driving drunk wouldn't it make since? Profiling is not a bad thing it is effective, and good police work! It targets the problem and is almost 95% right on the money with being accurate. If you have nothing to hide then why worry!

[edit on 5/9/10 by xyankee]

Wow, if this was still the Bush era, you'd probably be experiencing strange clicking noises on your phone, as well as being labeled a "traitor to america". What happened to the "he's our president, ergo, if you hate him you hate america" crowd? I hate hypocrisy. All the people who keep saying they want our country back don't really, because our country elected this president, per 200 plus years of tradition, i.e. election. What you want is some white guy (I'm white, btw) with a stick up his a## and a bible under his arm, which he's probably never read.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by WTFover

 

Ofcourse there were laws already establishing the punishment for businesses who hire illegals. But are these laws enforced? Did the Republicans bother to pass a law requiring further state or Federal investigations into these corporations? Sure they'll make the statement more so, but are they enforcing this law? You have political opportunists spending most of their time focusing on the border and only what illegals should look like, but you never see them cracking down on those businesses that continue to hire them.

For some reason after 30 years corporatons still hire these illegals and get away with it and yet we continue to look away from this fact. We pass laws re-establishing the fact it is illegal but where is this enforcement? You can stop anybody off the road that looks suspicious, can you search a business without a warrant? For some reason these businesses are getting away with hiring these peole, and yet the politicians refuse to pay attention at that fact. You refuse to pay attention to that fact. You need a scapegoat and the corporations conveniently are not one them.

I can tell you right now this law will amount to little to nothing to change the situation in Arizona and other states. And these corporations will continue to get away with hiring these people because nobody seems to be focusing on them. So long as the politicans continue to pay a blind eye to who is hiring these illegals, the situation will not go away.

[edit on 9-5-2010 by Southern Guardian]

It should be illegal to hire illegals, and if it is, it should be enforced. It should also be illegal for corporations to send jobs overseas so they can save millions. But then that wouldn't be conservative government, and the politicians in the pockets of said corporations couldn't afford those three vacation homes spread across the country, and the corporater bigwigs couldn't have those million dollar bonuses, while three blocks away people he could be employing are losing their homes.

[edit on 9-5-2010 by staver]

Well, since we are posting videos how about this?


I think a lot of you should calm your rhetoric a bit.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by WTFover

 

...but you never see them cracking down on those businesses that continue to hire them.

It is for this and other lack of Federal enforcement, that Arizona took the action they did. I still fail to understand your point of contention, with Arizona's law. It is a good law. Only time will tell, what enforcement takes place. Until then, we should celebrate Arizona's statement on States' rights.

Originally posted by DogsDogsDogs
No need for interpreters. Prisons in the southwest employ many Hispanic citizens, so communication won't be a problem. Cut & dried, so maybe they should simplify an expedited process. All they'd need is a clerk.

The interpreters part was an offhand joke.

You are assuming that Federal Immigration Authorities "hate" this bill. If you are referring to Border Patrol agents, & if Texas' INS guys are any example, you would be very much mistaken. Obama, his handlers & his flying monkeys (like Holder) apparently "hate" this bill, but they hate also apparently EVERYTHING American, so nothing new there.

I was referring to the Washington DC gang. They hate the bill because it brings to light additional ineptitude on their part. Bush also did next to nothing, as did Clinton, as did Reagan, etc.

That's why "amnesty" is pointless. "Pass out of public consciousness"? I find that HIGHLY unlikely, as the responses to these threads will attest. You've certainly given things away re "they will be underfunded..." Psychic, are you?

No, amnesty alone is pointless, not pointless entirely. I trust Washington to engage in a "War on Illegal Immigration" about as much as I trust any success they claim in ANY of the other "Wars" (Drugs, Poverty, etc).

As for pass out of public consciousness, it's generally true. The wall was defunded after all that minutemen fun and it made practically no waves.

Unless the time for severe justice to be done to Washington at the hands of the American people, it will probably fade after a huge media to-do, protests, the works.

This statement is just CRAZY! We need to stay the hell OUT of Mexico's business. They have made it abundantly clear that they cannot & will not so much as make a PRETENSE of controlling the flow of drugs, contraband or their citizens across our borders AND that they CONDONE this activity because it BENEFITS them.

Crazy? No. I think it's rather sane as it's tied to the "end the war on drugs" policy I endorse. End that and they can remove large amounts of the fraud and corruption that plagues their government.

I don't suggest we go in there, give them money, or what you might be thinking. I'd simply suggest top level advise, provide them with council and let them know we carry a big stick. A buffer nation that is doing better economically would be a big help to us in this situation.

We need to stay on our side of the border, HEAVILY manned & armed, & blow their behinds away if they keep coming. If they won't handle it, we will. If US citizens were doing this to any other country, it would be considered an "international incident". Odd how it's business-as-usual to our government.

You advocate mowing down men, women, and children and I'm crazy? You define things oddly.

If you want to make things a little more secure and save money, do what I suggest. Close all overseas military bases, fire all border agents, shut down the border patrol and place the military on the border.

Iraq & Afghanistan refers to the US attacking them *at Israel's behest and LIES* & the hideous MESS we've made over there- ESPECIALLY human rights violations. We cannot AFFORD these aggressions in other countries. Defending our borders against & a foreign invasion, however, is a different story.

Iraq and Afghanistan were huge mistakes that I've claimed (on this very board) since before we invaded. We could walk out as easily as we walked in.

The only rational thing you said. No argument. Maybe since you seem to be one of the OFAs, maybe we can take that to mean that it's possible. I won't hold my breath.

Sheesh, I voted for Ron Paul man. I'm a pretty serious Libertarian. I'd vote for Rectal Itch before Obama.

Also absolutely insane. Things are quite different since the days of Ellis Island.

How? Social Programs? Income tax? The need to document yourself to a government?

We need to get them out, NOT let them stay or let more in.

Why?

Amnesty will not lead to a change in their illegal behavior.

Ignoring relatively small laws does not make one a hardcore criminal. I've made an illegal u-turn before and haven't beat my wife up lately.

That is like saying if you marry the guy who beats you up/ drinks too much/ etc, he will have some magical transformation & change. (You've let that hopey-changey thing soften your head) If their very first act is breaking the law, any other of our laws will have little concern for them. That's a given.

Bad laws are meant to be broken. I'm of the impression that's a pretty American thing to do actually. I dig Locke, Jefferson, and Thoreau.

I'd try to cover up a little better than that. You're right, [republicans] aren't better- just slightly different. But why are you spewing globalist, socialist talking points if you actually aren't an Obamabot?

Actually, I'm VERY different than a socialist, a globalist, and an Obama zombie. You just assume first, post second, think third. No offense but it really seems like it.

How can we- when almost weekly, Obama reminds that not only does he have the same exact policies as Bush, he can go him one worse & then some? Even Bush wasn't THIS bad.

Meh, I don't play the "Who's worse" game. I was betrayed by Bush, hated (and served in the Marine Corps under) Clinton, and hate Obama.

A belch? How gross you are.

When the analogy fits...

Peace? I guess that tells me all I need to know. Sensing a pattern here. Generalizing on that you're probably a misogynist, too.

Nothing wrong with Peace brother, but it's more an axiom to personal mental state (like saying "Be Easy" instead of goodbye) than of global affairs.

As for being a misogynist, I don't follow. I think you'd be hard pressed to prove that given my track record for seeking more equality than even the average feminist wants.

Peace
KJ



[edit on 9-5-2010 by KrazyJethro]

reply to post by Southern Guardian


That's the best ya got? .. Political opportunist? .. you mean like the progressives pushing through the most invasive piece of legislation since the Patriot Act? Health Care.. or their plans to push through the largest tax increase since the Income Tax, Cap and Trade? Want to introduce your self as the Kettle, calling the pot black?

This legislation was done because at the height of an economic depression, the Federal Government has done nothing, nada, zilch to protect AMERICANS and their employment. Ya, we do need to target the businesses, but every time ICE raids a business and carts off the Illegals, ignorant self righteous Progressives scream and through a bitch fest and the Feds back off.

The majority of Americans prefer border security.. they also support more relaxed citizenship requirements, as do I .. make it easier for people to get into the country, less red tape, less government.. but having an open door? Makes no sense at all.

Whether they are opportunist or not, which I don't think they are, what they are doing is good for the people. Bad for Mexicans, and the Hispanics that are related to said Mexicans .. but good for Americans, and that's all I care about.

reply to post by antonia


Sure, from the minimal information, it appears race was a factor in the murder. However, there was absolutely no evidence supporting the speaker's assertion it was related to the Arizona anti-illegal immigration law.

Also, where did he come up with the idea someone claimed the murder of Robert Krentz was "racially" motivated? (Yes, the murdered rancher has a name, although this wanna-be "reporter" refused to utter it) I don't recall race ever being considered a factor, in that case. The only speculation was the murderer was a smuggler.

Originally posted by WTFover
reply to post by antonia

 

Sure, from the minimal information, it appears race was a factor in the murder. However, there was absolutely no evidence supporting the speaker's assertion it was related to the Arizona anti-illegal immigration law.

Maybe because all the neighbors stated that is what they had been fighting over for days. Did you miss that part?

Originally posted by antonia
Maybe because all the neighbors stated that is what they had been fighting over for days. Did you miss that part?

Actually, Mr. Wanna-Be is the one who claimed that to be the case. The video does not depict anyone making that statement. Mr. Wanna-Be said there is an article claiming there was such an argument, but he does not produce the article or cite the source. Hence, my statement that there is no evidence, supporting the claim.

reply to post by WTFover


stp.abc15.com...

Neighbors told ABC15 they fear the shooting may have been the result of the debate over Arizona's new illegal immigration bill.

Two dumbasses fighting over politics. I expect more of this crap in the future.

I'd just like to say, as a California business owner, I will now be seeking out companies in Arizona to buy products from.

Way to go AZ, if you guys stand behind this and don't back down like so many other woosies, we'll be headed your way soon. It's a dry heat ;-)

Originally posted by WTFover
It is for this and other lack of Federal enforcement, that Arizona took the action they did.

And what action is that again? Giving police officers the power to be judge and jury on the spot without any need for solid evidence? Im sorry but that is not enforcement. That leaves wide open the opportunity for those who will abuse the law, whether it be based on something racial, or something totally unrelated to immigration but it will not enforce immigration laws.

It was already illegal for illegals to be here! Thats why they are illegals! It was already illegal for businesses to hire these people and infact there have been numerous laws passed over the years to make it illegal to hire or hide illegals. Aside from the fact this bill gives police officers the powers of judge and jury with no need for evidence, the rest of the laws added into this bill are completely useless as they were already in law. Just because they were re-made as laws to distract critics does not mean it addresses the core issue. It certainly didnt stop corporations and businesses from hiring illegals even if it was against the law. The immigration laws prior didnt stop illegals from coming into the United states. At the end of the day if politicians do not address the issue of how these illegals gain work in the first place, if they not enforce the laws, the issue will not go away. Considering the hiring of illegals has been an issue for decades now, it is well evident that these businesses have not been held accountable.

The same politicians who pushed for this law will not dare hold them accountable, instead they will do everything they can to distract you for just why these illegals are here. The corporations and businesses lobby them, they don't hold these corporations or businesses accountable.

It is a good law.

Its a good law to give police officers the power on the spot to dictate whether you are a citizen or not? What kind of law allows police officers to harass you day in and day out merely by walking to the grocery store? What good law allows for so much abuse?

Only time will tell,

I can agree to that. I just hope you will still be around in a year or so when Arizonans are demanding even tougher immigration laws. Because by then it will be obvious how effective this bill really was.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

That's the best ya got? .. Political opportunist?

You couldn't care less right?, People like you have it in the bag for the Republicans. The illegal immigration problem obviously didnt just pop up yesterday. It has been around for the last 5 or so administrations, and yet of all that time, after 8 years of drunken spending over wars, Republicans find it convenient to push forward this law during the 2010 election period. But you couldn't care less about the obvious political agenda! This isnt really about the issue, it is about getting back at the Democrats. If this was really an issue for the Republicans, for the tea baggers, for people like you, you would have stood up and said something when Bush called for war, when he signed his ineffective $900 billion trickle down tax system. No, no you just all decided to keep shut until 2010, to spite against this president and the Democrats.

Nope I don't expect you to see anything.

The majority of Americans prefer border security..

You have got you get your head out of the sand. So long as the businesses and corporations continue to hire these illegals, and so long as the Republicans and the Democrats distract you from this fact, the issue will not be going anywhere!

what they are doing is good for the people. Bad for Mexicans, and the Hispanics that are related to said Mexicans .. but good for Americans.

Thankyou for being so honest about this law. Atleast you can come out of the woodwork to admit it. Bad for anybody related to mexicans, bad for hispanics, good for Americans! Who does that leave? White Americans who account the majority of the Arizonan population? Oh and the blacks, who barely account for 5%. Overall its looking wonderful for the 'Americans', whom overwhelmingly are white.

You said it straight.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

Giving police officers the power to be judge and jury on the spot without any need for solid evidence?

Just as an officer is the "judge" on whether or not you committed a crime, like assault, murder, what ever.. why not if you are here legally? .. You are then sent to a detention center, where you under go the FEDERAL procedure.. AZ is not deporting people.

In all likely hood AZ police will arrest and detain the illegals and the Fed agencies will refuse to take them and they will be released. No doubt there will be an ego battle between the agencies.

Thats why they are illegals! It was already illegal for businesses to hire these people and infact there have been numerous laws passed over the years to make it illegal to hire or hide illegals.

True, but the Feds simply don't have the man power nor resolve to actually dent the problem. ICE raids businesses, but they take months and months of investigations and manpower to raid. They don't bother themselves with petty criminals and deporting them.. traditionally, this is done by police. I say traditionally because in most states police have the power to make these determinations.. even if they are not specifically outlined by law. For instance I know in Ohio police officers can determine whether or not you are illegal or not. I had a friend and co-worker who was here illegal (we all knew he was illegal) who was deported when an officer pulled him over for a cracked windshield.

The REAL reason behind the law is actually to fight the "sanctuary city" laws.. city leaders create these zones where officers are prohibited from being able to make these judgments.. the State Law is intended to OVERRIDE the local laws. As it is, the Sheriff in the sanctuary city Phoenix is still refusing to uphold the outlined law.

The Federal Law does not say local police cannot determine citizenship .. doesn't outline anything regarding the issue at all. Some cities with very high Hispanic populations mixed with Progressive governments create these safe havens, limiting officers actions on laws already on the book.

The same politicians who pushed for this law will not dare hold them accountable, instead they will do everything they can to distract you for just why these illegals are here

I actually completely agree.. but at the same time I'm kinda glad. I do NOT want to see state agencies raiding businesses, at at this time, the Federal laws state the penalties originate from Federal Agencies.. so to crack down on the businesses, it will take the Federal Government. All of the citizenship documentary that takes place in hiring goes to Federal Agencies, letting the states try and take on the responsibility would only cause fractional issues due to them not having access to those documents. Most of it is done by the Social Security Agency.

What good law allows for so much abuse?

For Illegals it will be harassment to an extreme. But I don't care about Illegals, they are criminals. For normal people they shouldn't even notice that an officer is checking their citizenship.. for almost everyone else in the country, not in a sanctuary city, when ever we deal with police like getting pulled over they determine whether you are a citizen just by checking your drivers license and registration. Ask any of the officers on ATS .. it's mostly very, very easy to determine who is and is not illegal. Fake ID's, fake names, fake SS numbers, fake registrations etc.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

You couldn't care less right?, People like you have it in the bag for the Republicans.

I despise Republicans, for your information. If this woman was a Democrat I would be just as supportive, has nothing to do with party orientation, it has to do with being AMERICAN.

But your a Progressive...

It has been around for the last 5 or so administrations, and yet of all that time, after 8 years of drunken spending over wars, Republicans find it convenient to push forward this law during the 2010 election period.

ARE YOU BLIND?!??! ..

I swear, sometimes I think Progressives like you come here just to vomit your politics all over the board.

Under Bush the largest anti-Imigrant rallies took place, as did some of the largest rallies in American history, the pro-immigrant rallies where illegals marched in LA. Under Bush people were so fed up with the Republicans in office and knew they wouldn't do anything about it, they formed militia groups to help patrol the border, and forced the Gov's hand to build the fence and digital fence (which because it wasn't complete only redirected traffic)

Bad for anybody related to mexicans

Well I imagine the families who are spawned by anchor babies will be quite sad when their mothers and fathers are pulled over and found to be illegal immigrants. So ...... it seems logical to me, relatives would be upset.

No?

bad for hispanics

60+% of illegals are "Hispanic" .. thus, yes, bad for Hispanics, and considering the vast majority of Hispanics are somehow connected to Illegals, be it children or grandchildren of illegals, or illegals themselves. Yes, the enforcement of this law and current laws hurts the Hispanic community.

Overall its looking wonderful for the 'Americans', whom overwhelmingly are white.

Typical Progressive response. No doubt you as a Progressive would love to see a world with no National identities and borders. You'd let anyone walk over the border if they so choose.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


You're right. The illegal immigration problem has been around for a long time.

But while you conveniently blame Republicans and their inaction during "the last 8 years" which I take it to mean GW Bush's term, what did Democrats do about illegal immigration during Clinton's 8 years of office? There's plenty of blame to go around, dontcha think? Or do you contend that this is ALL the fault of the GOP? Is that what you're saying?

Let's face it. If the federal government, no matter who was in office, had done their job correctly on Illegal Immigration Reform, then perhaps states like Arizona wouldn't feel like they had to instate their own laws granting police officers the right to enforce a LAW THAT ALREADY EXISTS!

You seem to like to skip over facts in favor of you're anti-GOP fear mongering don't you?

The admin and their little b|tches wouldnt want to secure the borders....... It'll mess up their profits and the damage to this country, destruction brings in profit and better yet the North American Union little BS plan would be a bit harder to get away with it........
and we wonder why the economic is messed up... bring in the Amero/ North American Dollars coins so we can shove all of them up their asses....

Up yours Mexico,Canada and America elite's

Originally posted by staver

It should be illegal to hire illegals, and if it is, it should be enforced. It should also be illegal for corporations to send jobs overseas so they can save millions. But then that wouldn't be conservative government, and the politicians in the pockets of said corporations couldn't afford those three vacation homes spread across the country, and the corporater bigwigs couldn't have those million dollar bonuses, while three blocks away people he could be employing are losing their homes.

[edit on 9-5-2010 by staver]

I'm sorry - are you calling the Obama Regime conservative? Wake up, Rumpelstiltskin, take a long hard look around. You'll notice a few changes in the power structure since you went to sleep.

Kinda confusing, since it's still business as usual, isn't it?

Maybe you guys will wake up in time for the NEXT elections, so you can spew the same partisan rhetoric without missing a beat.

Maybe this is a little off-topic, but I thought it was close enough to post. I just had a realization a few minutes ago while reading one of the many articles talking about La Raza and other Latino organizations boycotting AZ:

I'm assuming these organizations are in support of fellow Latinos in the U.S. Since AZ has one of the largest Latino populations in our country (if not THE highest), wouldn't they potentially be harming fellow Latinos?

How many Latinos do you suppose could end up being laid-off due to an extended boycott? I'm assuming the hardest hit would be the service industry (hotels, restaurants, taxi/limo, tourist attractions, etc.). Sounds to me like a classic example of cutting off one's nose to spite the f(r)ace. Either these protesters know that their boycott will have little effect on AZ's economy, or they're so hung up on their ideology that they're willing to do harm to the very people they're supposedly supporting.

I guess there's always curtain number 3: Maybe these people are trying to play checkers in a chess tourney and are incapable of looking beyond one move at a time. Just goes to show you how taking action based on emotions instead of rational thought always results in unintended consequences.

If the boycott is upheld and has an effect, I sincerely wonder how many hard-working, LEGAL, Latinos will lose their jobs before these groups realize what they've done?