Iranian navy plane flies near USS Eisenhower in Gulf of Oman

Originally posted by Legion2112
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

: From CINPAC to Capt., U.S.S. Eisenhower
RE: Adjustment to SOP of Naval Combat Operations ROE
Under signed executive order, you are allowed only to return fire after having been fired on first... at least three times; by missiles; then, and only then, may you radio COM for instructions; per exectutive order, they may ask you to see how much of the ship is on fire - if it is no more than 10% you will have to call back later; if it exceeds 20%, or if your hangar deck is toast you may be given permission to radio the offending party and ask what their intentions are

As long as they don't lock any radars and don't directly overfly the ship they can't be engaged. That's why they'll do the same close passes they've been doing the last 12 plus years. Funny post though.

What is the big deal about a non-threatening aircraft that is flying in international airspace over international waters? Based on my past experience while stationed on an aircraft carrier, you can rest assured the Iranian aircraft had a US Navy fighter escort and had the Iranian pilots made any threatening movements the aircraft would have been fubar. We used to have visits from Russian pilots flying by quite often.

I think Russia has done a few fly pasts of American carriers in the past, hang on I shall google...

One of them twice flew about 2,000 feet over the deck of the USS Nimitz Saturday while another flew about 50 miles away, officials said. Two others were at least 100 miles away, the military reported.

CNN

That was a TU95 bear, considerably more dangerous that a small Fokker turboprob IMO, mind you a Bear could launch any number of weapons from miles off, the Russians have some mean ass anti ship missiles.

Also is the Americans had taken this thing down you have to remember that all of Iran's military is already deployed for the exercises - that really would be the wrong time to to get into a conflict, those war games could go live with just a single order.

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Oh I know, just poking fun at the progressive's stereotypical unwillingness to commit...

IMO, this is a big yawn to anyone who knows how common surveillance flights like this are, how many have happened in years past and by how many countries outwardly more hostile to the U.S. than Iran currently is.

Besides, if the pic of that seabird is the actual plane they were using to recon the battle group, it looks like a steely-eyed glare could knock it out of the sky...



[edit on 28-4-2010 by Legion2112]

Originally posted by Wayne60
What is the big deal about a non-threatening aircraft that is flying in international airspace over international waters? Based on my past experience while stationed on an aircraft carrier, you can rest assured the Iranian aircraft had a US Navy fighter escort and had the Iranian pilots made any threatening movements the aircraft would have been fubar. We used to have visits from Russian pilots flying by quite often.

We got a good air show in 2000 from 2 SU-24's and one SU-27 while we were refueling, many people quals got pulled that day. I lost all respect for F-18's as fighters, the Russians were playing with them, but they didn't want to play with the Tomcats. They again were close enough you could tell they were well maintained, was pretty funny watching a Flanker chase a Hornet with another Hornet behind him. Close enough you could see the pilot grabbing one of his grab handles turning to check his Six.

Here is the photo of the type of fokker that it was.

Originally posted by djcubed

Originally posted by DarkspARCS
I truly wonder how protected that Aircraft Carrier would be against a simple 25 pound bundle of pure thermite that hit it's deck and ignited?

Then again, I wonder how long it would take that thermite to finally penetrate through to the hull....

This is a better line of thinking than the spy plane with a nuke inside that can level a whole city.

CNN STATES - "Navy didn't worry about it... no big deal."

I'm sorry... but if you know anything about the US Navy... they don't need to worry about IRAN.

It's not like IRAN was breaking any laws. I can't get behind this hype.

you nieve fool....park you us patriotism for 1 second and realize there is more to iran than you think..China, Russia and all of the arab states virtually...

if you know anything about current political climate ...ring your sister and tell her how much you love her...this would be more usefully than toute the might the us navy...

In recent us war games an ex commander was in charge of team red>Iran and used small fast boats to simulate irans flying boats and guess what the big us vessels were sunk!!!!


[edit on 29-4-2010 by Rollo]

Originally posted by Rollo

Originally posted by djcubed

Originally posted by DarkspARCS
I truly wonder how protected that Aircraft Carrier would be against a simple 25 pound bundle of pure thermite that hit it's deck and ignited?

Then again, I wonder how long it would take that thermite to finally penetrate through to the hull....

This is a better line of thinking than the spy plane with a nuke inside that can level a whole city.

CNN STATES - "Navy didn't worry about it... no big deal."

I'm sorry... but if you know anything about the US Navy... they don't need to worry about IRAN.

It's not like IRAN was breaking any laws. I can't get behind this hype.

you nieve fool....park you us patriotism for 1 second and realize there is more to iran than you think..China, Russia and all of the arab states virtually...

if you know anything about current political climate ...ring your sister and tell her how much you love her...this would be more usefully than toute the might the us navy...

In recent us war games an ex commander was in charge of team red>Iran and used small fast boats to simulate irans flying boats and guess what the big us vessels were sunk!!!!


[edit on 29-4-2010 by Rollo]

First off... I am in no way nieve... Whatever that word means. If you meant to say I'm NAIVE at least please come with some facts as to how Iran is such a threat.

THEY DO NOT HAVE A THREATENING NUCLEAR DEVICE. If they did we would bomb them... even if we thought we could fake it like we did with the WMDs in Iraq... don't you think we would be in there shooting everyone we can and stealing resources from another country?

I'm not going to compare our Navy to Iran's Navy because it's just silly to even think along those lines. As far as small boats sinking Aircraft Carriers… I’ll see my sister when she gets back in a few months … and I’ll tell her I love her then. I’m not going to tell you how you could make yourself more useful… I tend to keep my post focused on the thread at hand… and avoid telling people when to call their families.

And the current political climate??? What are you talking about? Propaganda that Iran is going to bomb the US with a nuke... GET REAL MY FRIEND!~ Isreal doing everything it can to provoke Iran into war?? What political climate are you talking about?

WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT IRAN THAT WE DON’T? Please we want to know!~

25 pounds of thermite wouldn't do anything. Drop that on the flight deck and some damage control team is going to wash it over the side with a high pressure stream of water from a 4 inch fire hose. We trained for just that situation. The main gearbox on the SH-3H helicopter and the rotor head were made from magnesium alloy and had the possibility of lighting off in the event of damage or a crash.

It is times like this where I don't care for the VLS missile system. Before that system went into operation, that aircraft's crew would have looked out the windows and have seen the missile launchers moving along with their aircraft. I talked to an ex Soviet pilot a while back and he told me about thier flying a May down along side a US formation in the Indian Ocean and seeing all of the missile launchers tracking their aircraft. He said that it was very unnerving.

If they wanted to see what the ship looks like they don't really need to fly over it.

Here ya go

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Originally posted by JIMC5499
25 pounds of thermite wouldn't do anything. Drop that on the flight deck and some damage control team is going to wash it over the side with a high pressure stream of water from a 4 inch fire hose. We trained for just that situation. The main gearbox on the SH-3H helicopter and the rotor head were made from magnesium alloy and had the possibility of lighting off in the event of damage or a crash.

It is times like this where I don't care for the VLS missile system. Before that system went into operation, that aircraft's crew would have looked out the windows and have seen the missile launchers moving along with their aircraft. I talked to an ex Soviet pilot a while back and he told me about thier flying a May down along side a US formation in the Indian Ocean and seeing all of the missile launchers tracking their aircraft. He said that it was very unnerving.

The fear of a 1 or 2 arm bandit tracking you and shooting 1 to 2 missiles at you is replaced by the fear of 30 plus missiles launched at you in fairly quick succession. Also the best way to combat a Class Delta fire is to cover it with sand and let it cool or immediately push it off the flight or hanger deck. Class Deltas are not water friendly and screaming Alphas are the hardiest to put out.

[edit on 29-4-2010 by Silverado292]

[edit on 29-4-2010 by Silverado292]

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Dude, don't even toss him a snack; obviously didn't read the previous posts + trying to illicit a reaction = troll. If you feed them they'll ruin your picnic...

My first thoughts on reading the thread title were wouldn't it be ironic if the Eisenhower was attacked by an Iranian F-14, the "fleet defender" which spent three decades guaranteeing the safety of the carriers.

Glad to see that is not the case of course.

Originally posted by xmaddness
Their tactic seems to be one of swarming the large ships with hundreds of smaller, faster, heavily armed attack speed boats. These "speed boat planes" seem to reinforce that outlook. I have read that some analysts think this may actually be a workable tactic if a navy arena battle did take place.

No, I don't think so. They have some serious guns in the battle group, motion controlled, and nice video game like kiosks for soldiers to target and shoot. It wouldn't be anything like a battle from WWII or even Vietnam. We're more likely to let damage be done in trying to avoid an international incident than we are once the war break out. The one thing the US excels at is wiping out identified threats.

Folks,
Barf.

Nothing new to see here. The Iranian P-3 or Fokkers fly out on patrol every day. US Navy ships are used to seeing them all the time. They are not a threat, unless they are doing third party targetting.

BTW, the President does not set the ROEs.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
Folks,
Barf.

Nothing new to see here. The Iranian P-3 or Fokkers fly out on patrol every day. US Navy ships are used to seeing them all the time. They are not a threat, unless they are doing third party targetting.

BTW, the President does not set the ROEs.

Obviously you missed the sarcastic nature of the replies.

Given that the carrier is in international waters directly off the coast of Iran, aren't they well within their rights to come and have a look?

After all, which is a greater provocation - sending an unarmed reconnaissance plane to have a look at an aircraft carrier sitting 50km off your coast OR sending an aircraft carrier halfway around the world to patrol on someone's doorstep?

Originally posted by xmaddness
reply to post by munkey66

 

Actually we may already be considered "at war" with Iran.

Have a listen to Ron Paul as he explains it very well IMO.

This video should be "must-see" watching for all on this thread. Ron Paul makes sense..period!

For all those gushing over rounds of firing and other hardware, you'd do well to hear what Paul explains at the end. We've set ourselves up for an unsustainable situation. Our bullying for resources will end at our economic demise and allow Russia and China to take over everything. If our economy fails, all that fancy technology and floating metal will be reduced to rusting floating hulks with no one on them.

Our only investment that we've followed...war...will be outside our reach due to economic default. The real savings the Chinese and others have and the mutual (read non-war) "real money" investment into tangible resources instead of war will make the resources theirs. Profits to the sellers and strength for the buyers.

You don't have to be Nostadamus to predict what will happen next. The Chinese, Russia, India, etc. are watching for us to exhaust ourselves and then they will be in a stronger position than you can imagine.

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We all know that Iran is doing their annual "Great Prophet" War games in the Strait of Hormuz, however today a Iranian war plane, described as a small scout and recon plane, flew over the USS Eisenhower only 300ft above it.

Just a blip on the radar in the ME scheme!

If Iran doesn't continue to rebuke and challenge the US and the West, Iran looses its rather tenuous status as the regional chief bully power it tries to maintain!

Look for Iran to continue ineffective provocations such as this well into the future!

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Sounds to me like Iran is trying to provoke, incite, daring the US to take a shot... That was one ballsy pilot to fly into the fleet like that too... Bet he needed to change into dry pants when he got back too!

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