BBC Report: Al Qaeda never existed

I do think Al Qaeda exists -- but it was created by Saudi Arabia and fostered by the CIA. Not that I've spent too much time researching it --- but it clearly started as a group inside Saudi Arabia with the intent of overthrowing the Saudi royal family.

It then gets co-opted, by a son of the royal family, and gets hell-bent on getting Saddam, removing our troops from Saudi Arabia, and various other, theocratic moves that strangely, don't focus on Saudi Arabia.

So then it's helping Bin Laden fight off the Soviets.

Then it becomes a problem --- According to Bush family -- and I guess Clinton also thought they were a problem ... principally because there was some fallout over Gas Pipelines in Afghanistan.

So according to the Bush and CIA, they got pissed over neglect of Afghanistan and exploitation of resources after they were our best friends. Sounds like the Kurds in iraq or that group that was Shi'ite or Shi'a and then we switched the team we were working with because the other side was blowing us up more -- so we hired them (our former terrorists -- NOT insurgents) to shoot our former allies who were now mostly foreign extremist terrorists dude from Iran (ignoring the 90% from Saudi Arabia because they've got voting stock in ABC/Disney/Fox News). Well, it gets murky -- I'm sure it had nothing to do with fomenting a civil war so that we could get oil concessions putting the exact same companies back at the exact same 80% deal or we will keep everybody killing everyone and our dumb-ass citizens will still think this is about security.

Then of course, Blackwater is caught trying to apprehend some Taliban drug dealers in Afghanistan that they were trading with just before our ACTUAL soldiers in our ACTUAL military came across them -- and failing that, shooting the witnesses -- I mean suspected terrorists. Again, murky stuff but very profitable. And it costs $400 for a gallon of gas. Does the Taliban get all that money to fuel our vehicles or is Blackwater selling it? I don't know -- probably not important. Usually, as soon as some family gets bombed, they also join the ranks of Al Qaeda suspects. And people don't seem to realize that "getting rid of the Taliban" in Afghanistan is a bit like getting rid of Protestants in Ireland -- they are just, like PART of the country and some foreign invader dudes with a gas pipeline to lay have outlawed them.

>> Anyway, Al Qaeda does exist; in Florida at least. Or at least, if you call someone about how angry you are at Dick Cheney, some guy from the FBI will call you back saying; "I'm from Al Qaeda -- how can I help you today start a revolution/justice?" To start a religious theocracy in your state, press 1...

How can we describe the anti-government dupes who end up working for the government interests without the term "Al Qaeda?" I think it stands for "convenient fools" or something.

reply to post by impressme


LOL, racism. I'm a blue-eyed white dude and I have a problem with Dick Cheney knocking off people with his hit squad and Bush war profiteering so he can feel manly. I have a problem with their little false flag -- and now I hate WHITE PEOPLE? Weren't all those guys killed off with knowledge of bio weapons (which breaks treaties we've signed) all white? Like, isn't killing those guys who could tell us why Dan Rather and Democrats got Anthrax in the mail because they were against the Iraq war at least a LITTLE mean to some White Guys? OK, sure, it was strategic -- these Uber patriots just want to make America safe for haters and the RIGHT kind of white people.

Look, David Duke is a full-on cracker, but I think he's got more integrity than these traitorous bastards. I mean, just a little. OK, I really don't know the guy -- I'm just trying to sound fair by pointing to a repugnant dude and saying; "Evil racists aren't all bad -- some of my best friends don't like mixed dating." I only know TWO people like that -- and they are actually nice.

The Strategy:
Throw what ever nonsense at the computer screen that YOU are guilty of, and then it looks like "EVERYBODY" is a racist, and this provides perfect cover for people wanting to ban Mexicans in Arizona or Arab-looking people on airplanes.

Right, like Timothy McVeigh wasn't just celebrated this past week, or those anti-government people who seem to buy lots of tickets that fund the Republican party as they cheer on Sarah Palin and Sean Hannity aren't united by the fact that the President isn't white... let's not confuse the issue by mentioning that the Tea Party was about lower taxes on a well-positioned importer so it could stomp out competition. Paul Revere was also a Socialist -- but the "founding fathers" must be code for "British Royalists." Ah, all the best Americans are turncoats --

Some people are just desperate to win or make everyone out to be worse than they are. Instead of a "self help" book, we are now recommending a "feel great because you aren't the biggest tool in the shed" outlook on life.

Yup, that's why I'm calling myself a "Truther" because I hate Dick Cheney's "whiteness." Crap, and here I had this idea that we are a nation of laws.

Originally posted by mikelee
Actually its nothing new as many of us already knew this to be true but its good to have an official MSM media agency saying so as it takes a little more ammunition from those who hang on to the OS fairy tale regarding 911. I have also included other related videos as well below.

Just because Al Qaeda is a myth, doesn't mean that 9/11 was a fairy tale.

A lot of you people jump to so many misguided conclusions, its funny. What did the video say at the end????

How many of you payed attention to it?

"What there is, is an idea prevalent among young angry Muslim males, throughout the Islamic world. THAT IDEA, IS WHAT POSES A THREAT."

What he means is simple. There is no organized group called "Al Queada" that is running with Bin Laden. But he is also stating that there is many different unorganized pissed off Muslims, that are doing things.

This doesn't automatically make 9/11 an inside job. This just points the finger at the government for trying to blame it on Bin Laden, when there was no real proof he did it.

Even on the FBI website, Bin Laden is not wanted in conjunction for 9/11

AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART.

That doesn't mean that a small group of unorganized angry Muslims, didn't set up the 9/11 tragedy. I can see all your conspiratorial brains, cooking overtime, when you see videos like this and most of you, use it as fuel for your 9/11 fires. It wasn't an inside job. Anyone who has really looked in to the evidence of 9/11 can easily tell this.

The keys are not that 9/11 was an inside job. The keys are the foreign policy of the united states, and how 9/11 was used to create illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

How most of you people are so oblivious to the evidence, is beyond me...

I'm not responding to the Al Quaeda 'are they, aren't they' posts. The evidence is overwhelming and available in abundance both on this site and from many more reputable sources. Bin Laden claims no responsibility for 9/11. Never has. You know my thoughts on this from earlier in the thread.

My response is to those who pin people on this forum as being uneducated to the events and evidence of 9/11. So, with this being the case, here is a list of, in your minds. 'uneducated' people who share the same concerns as most of us here about the OS... are we all wrong?

www.pilotsfor911truth.org
www.firefightersfor911truth.org
www.ae911truth.org - Architects & Engineers
www.pl911truth.com - Political Leaders
www.io911truth.com - Intelligence Officers
www.mp911truth.org - Medical Professionals
www.L911T.com - Lawyers
www.v911t.org - Veterans
www.truthaction.org/USMC.html - Marines
www.mediafor911truth.org - Media
www.911pressfortruth.com - ... more Media
www.rl911truth.org - Religious Leaders
www.mujca.com - more Religious Leaders
www.911scholars.org / www.scholarsfor911truth.org

And, many, many, many more - too numerous to list of the rest of us.

All of these people have viewed the available evidence, read the commission reports, independently and collectively have drawn the conclusion that the truth is not being told.

Are some of you guys seriously suggesting that this many concerns raised by this astronomical gathering of professionals can be ignored?

EDIT: If it did not involve the US governments foreknowledge, the Pentagon would not have been hit with such precision and with very little in the way of debris - to my mind the Pentagon is the smoking gun of 9/11. killtown.911review.org... anyone for a round of golf?

[edit on 28-4-2010 by Pr0t0]

reply to post by impressme


Yawn.

The plural form of "evidence" is "evidence".

Originally posted by time91
reply to post by mikelee

 

Amazing, it has been long enough and they don't need to cover it up anymore. I say this because many believe some element in the CIA with others (an international group) were complicit in the events of 9/11, and the CIA has been tied to the BBC for years (according to Cryptome's info). So they basically just said "Tricked ya!".
No one can stop 'them', and 'they' know it...

I think you should watch the opinions of the CIA director, during 9/11

I suggest you all try to view as man sides as possible, if you want to wade your way through all the disinformation...

www.youtube.com...

[edit on 28-4-2010 by ghpink]

reply to post by mikelee


Yep, nice pic thanks, that was the one I had, and I think it says alot.

My take on 'al-qaeda' from all sources I have been able to examine, is that it is simply another 'catch all' label, originally part of a CIA/Pentagon? data base filled mainly with names of anyone who stood in the way of The Empires objectives. Most of these people likely were not even aware of each other, it seems it was more of a basically unrelated 'watch list' and a 'usefull tool' list. All Empires need constant 'threats and shadowy elusive enemies' to keep the sheep focused on and provide fig leaf cover for the constant advances and manipulations of Empires' never satisfied lust for MORE.

Now the term "Al qaeda' has become even more diluted and more of a joke label. It is now not only being used for those who stand in the way of the Empires grab for more bases, to rig currencies, and to gather as many resources as possible, but also even to include those family members, friends, aquaintances of those who fight against such takeovers, and even anyone who is intentionlly targeted and killed or even just happens to be in the way.

I'm sure most people here are very informed, understand what was happening immediately prior to 9-11, the talks at the Bush compound with the Taliban regarding Unocal and the desired pipeline routes, the competition of Bridas, the deals falling through, the threats of war against the Taliban (really all of Afghanistan) when the pipeline deal failed, the "New Pearl Harbor" called for by PNAC, the PERFECT timing of undercover CIA Bin Laden's boys (patsies) how the CIA is simply Wall Streets' can opener for new markets and resources, the true economic
and geopolitical nature of war and how "False Flags' have been used for thousands of years. Of course that's just scratching the surface, but again likely I'm just preaching to the choir here, so I'll keep this short.

In my experiences that allow me to know what I do know about this, the vast majority of those elder & former freedom fighter that fought against the Soviets with the assistance of the CIA harbor a deep rooted hatred and distrust of the west due to the way that they were abandoned after the failed Soviet invasion. The US then cutoff all of the money, weaponry, goods, services and supplies including food that was covertly funneled to them via Bin Laden who was the CIA's middle man for this action. The CIA almost immediately stopped all communication and dealings with them except for a few promises made by field operatives that wanted to keep their word to whom they promised it to. After those operatives, some of whom used their own expenses, connections and resources to make good they left or were removed for political reasons.

Something that many people do not know is that immediately after 911 some who were still working for the agency either directly or on contractual agreements attempted to contact some of their previous freedom fighter connections in an attempt to find out anything they could or determine if these connections would be willing to work for the US once more, they all failed to turn up anyone who was willing. Again due to the way that the US had treated them. Had the CIA kept their connections during and after the Soviet-Afghan era the US might have had many insiders willing to help out finding Bin Laden and others that were "blamed" for 911. Despite what the general media tells and reports primarily due to them being manipulated by the FedGov, reports of Bin Ladens whereabouts came to the attention of the CIA on many different occassions. Yet the Bush administration for whatever reason(s) acted on none of them to either kill or capture him. Al Qaeda exists for one reason, and thats so the PTB operating within the government of the United States can embark on missions worlwide under the cover of fighting terrorism as well as put in place it's own constricting agenda against the freedoms of its own people.

[edit on 4/28/2010 by mikelee]

I agree, at least 'officially' it might be hard to prove these guys were on the payroll, but likely 'once in always in', things just go underground and get utilized 'unofficially'. Nobody's going to just let a 'terrorist group' go to waste, so little time, so many opportunities (and new markets to conquer).

Bin Laden likely died of his kidney ailments (former poisoning?) back in 2001 when several asian/mid eastern news services reported on his death (and Fox believe it or not even carried a story). I would imagine he served the CIA well up to his death, there was even a couple of reports in the French media about him meeting with he FBI and receiving medical care months before 9-11. (Dubai?). I wonder what actor they now have playing Mr. Laden, for the tape productions, I thought the beard was gonna fall off of the last guy they trotted out. These guys do have a sense of humor, no doubt.

The CIA (and those groups who work in it's *unoffical shadows*) are some of the most secretive groups on earth. If they wanted to use someone, I doubt any of us would ever be able to hear about it specifically. We can only watch what happens on the world stage, know the agenda, know the methods, understand the direction, but likely never ever really know the true players. That's possibly a good thing.

The BBC is such a piece of leftist globalist propaganda drivel. They want to drive you to the inane conclusion that because the US chose to give a terrorist organization a moniker that they didn't choose themselves, the organization doesn't exist. It's patently absurd. Just where did the islamics who flew the planes come from?

Even the crazy inside job theories don't really explain that very well. Imagine your CIA handler telling you this...

"Hey Muhammed, I have great job for you. The pay is fantastic! All you have to do is fly this plane into a building while it's still mostly filled with jet fuel....."

I think this is just more PC insanity coming from the UK. They are desperate to paint their growing islamo-fascist minority as upright folks, who would never hurt a flea.

Look at their so called evidence. They cite the fact that the caves in Tora Bora were empty of Al-Qaeda, as proof that Al-Qaeda didn't exist!

In fact they failed to properly encircle the area and it is well known that Obama and his followers basically walked out to Pakistan. I notice they didn't try to say that the Taliban doesn't exist either.

Probably this group would have said that Hitler doesn't really exist and is not a threat during WWII. They probably deny the holocaust.

[edit on 29-4-2010 by SevenThunders]

This article and the entire thread which follows is absolutely moronic. Al Queda is real and active. Get over it...

reply to post by jaffo


And we'd like to thank you for your "fact filled" drive by opinion based, MSM rhetoric regading the true existance of Al Qaeda. Now we can all rest knowing your on it.

[edit on 5/3/2010 by mikelee]

reply to post by This American

"Bin Laden likely died of his kidney ailments (former poisoning?) back in 2001"

Who's the doppelganger playing him in the 2004 video?! Did they hold auditions?

This view of the CIA as a bunch of agitating clowns really is staggering. Imagine the scenes after another fake video shoot is wrapped up. Okay, boys, good job. That'll fool those mass media loving suckers.

Then their despair when a load of people online rumble them. Dammit! They're on to us again! If it wasn't for the internet, we'd be home free.

Why do they keep churning out these false tapes when they know they'll be mocked? Conspiracy theorists seem to believe that intelligence groups are, ironically, the most unintelligent of all, that they live in some kind of bubble unrelated to the outside world and how their actions will be perceived.

In the video's I liked Donald Rumsfeld's drawings of how the mountains had luxurious mansions built inside of them when in reality the were just caves. No special stuff. I would like to see them offer proof of where they derived those illustrations from beside their imaginations.

reply to post by dimicgs


I can't believe how many sheeple will blindly follow the MSM which is controlled and regulated by the government.

reply to post by TrickoftheShade

The plural form of "evidence" is "evidence".

Foundation X might be a plural form but how many Al Quaeda's are there?
See one you like?

reply to post by Xcathdra

"If our Government created all of this as a massive coverup to justify a False Flag Operation, dont you think President Obama would be the first person to make this information public? Dont you think other governments would also come forward with their information? "

obama have the virtue and nads to get in the way of billions of dollars of war profits & 2 strategic US occupations?.. lol.. halarious!

obama is a PTB tampon to stop the flow of US unpopularity so bushs 3rd term could move forward unabated.

Remember the Vietnam war thrived because the govt adopted an official Gulf of Tonkin lie as truth.. over 1 million people were slaughtered, did the US govt ever step up to do the "right" thing?..nope, the GOP & DNC keep that war going just like they'll keep these going... truth be damned.

reply to post by GovtFlu


I always find these arguments funny.. When Bush was in office, it was all him. Obama is in office, and now its all obama..

Truth be damned... That applies to more than just the US.