Gartrell wrote

I have prepared the following response to a situation I knew nothing about until I heard your message a few hours ago. I appreciate the call.


The email he sent to prophecykeeper looks like a cut and paste of the one he sent me, which I posted to start this thread. I am guessing that over the next couple of days Gartrell will be contacting more people to clear his name.

Yes, I guess he will. If it was me, I'd be livid about something that could damage my professional credentials. Good on him for making the effort to finally put this nonsense to rest.

Originally posted by energy_wave
"I returned home from a week away caving"

What was he doing caving? Looking for a place to hide?

Just because somone posts an email doesn't prove the email is real.

*shakes head* i used to explore caves in Spain a lot with friends, its a hobby, just like camping and hiking. Its quite an experience being surrounded by rock and having to crawl once in a while in all fours through small holes to completly explore a cave.

BTW what gives out that AB's posts are a hoax is not mainly due to the post from "the monitors." If you follow his first few posts you see clues to the hoax.

I doubt completly that we are going to be hit in June or July by anything as the hoax from AB claims, there is just not enough reliable evidence to support this claim.

[Edited on 5-6-2004 by Muaddib]

It's a possibility that all the military movement is because of the "summer terrorist threat" I am reading in the news that there is a serious threat of terroritst attacks in several major cities...this could be the logical reason.

Originally posted by energy_wave
"I returned home from a week away caving"

What was he doing caving? Looking for a place to hide?

Just because somone posts an email doesn't prove the email is real.

I am sooooooooo going to be looking for you come the end of this month energy_wave, and a few others, to explain how this crap has/had grown to the proportions it has with little to NO factual backing and amounted to total hogwash and continuing to see you and others preach and respond as if it is and was entirely going to happen.....

Be factually prepared to respond or maybe be prepared to hide.


seekerof

Information attributed to NASA, including an Asteroids Impact Chart for June...

Looks photoshopped to me...

Originally posted by gravriderX
Looks photoshopped to me...

Extremely

Let me see energy_wave...
Your using the name for an exercise, Execise Meteor 2004, to somewhat justify why this entire planet is supposedly going to be hit by three asteroids/meteors later this month as PROOF? Huh?

From your article:

During the maneuvers by the effects of a hurricane of great intensity, were shown the preventive measures and of action, as it rescues and of people and protection of animals and resources. The occasion was used for the cleaning of ditches for the case of strong rains.

You are also aware that it is hurricane season?

Just a bit further reading and this:

Colonel Luis Lopez Amigo, representative of the Ministry of the Armed Forces (Defense) to observe the exercise, said that Meteor 2004 fulfilled its objectives in Camagüey, where also were contemplated the plans to face the drought that whips to the province.

energy_wave....sorry dude, but I'm not seeing the same correlations that you are other than a name. Other than coincedence, are you implying that this exercise name is indicating more than what is mentioned in the article? If so, care to provide said factual reasonings for this?



seekerof

[edit on 5-6-2004 by Seekerof]

This is getting out of hand. What will you people do when nothing happens? And... nothing will happen. You're getting all worked up, over what is a combination of: 1) A hoax 2) Bad data 3) Typical end-times paranoid speculation Well-respected senior members of this website, who you have trusted in the past, have repeatedly said this entire meteor/dust-cloud situation will not happen, and nothing remotely like it will happen. So what will you do when all is quiet?

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
[So what will you do when all is quiet?

Maybe they should leave. That would be a positive change.

Back to spirited factual discussion.

[edit on 20-10-2004 by antipigopolist]

June 3 Tau Herculids: Radiant--near Corona Borealis. About a month long, 15 per hour max, most quite faint.

June 5 Scorpiids: Radiant--near Ophiuchus. 20 per hour with some fireballs.

June 7 Arietids: About 30 per hour. Slow moving with some fireballs.

June 13 Ophiuchids: Radiant-- near Scorpius. Only 3 per hour but fast moving bolides are common. Duration--25 days

June 16 June Lyrids: Radiant--near Vega. Another part of May Lyrid meteor stream. 15 per hour, faint blue meteors.

June 20 Ophiuchids: Radiant-- near Sagitarrius. Rate varies from 8 to 20, with occaisionally many more.

June 30 June Draconids: Radiant--near handle of Big Dipper. Rate varies from 10 to 100 per hour. Pons-Winnecke Comet is parent.

I sure that these are going to be used as PROOF that AB was right. Most people don't pay any attention to the sky, but with everyone watching there's sure to be lots of reports coming in.

I can't believe anyone is still taking this seriously - it's a proven hoax and Gartrell himself has come out and said that he isn't Aussie Bloke and has no connection to him. What will it take to convince people that this is not happening!

Furthermore, if you look at the Washington meteor video clip, the bright flash is not a nuclear detonation it is clearly lens flare from the street light in the foreground as the camera swings round (as someone on GLP rightly identified).

Also, a high altitude nuke detonation would have knocked out all radio communications on the ground over a very wide area.

People, people. Please get a grip and accept that noone is going to convince anyone of anything until the date has passed. Though to me, it's pretty obvious AU is a huge hoax I'm not going to bang my head against the wall convincing people believing in AU otherwize. It's just no point - why believe in me, really? Fact is, most of us don't have enough knowledge about this to make a rock solid argument. I mean, even though I personally believe in this e-mail sent by the real doctor recently; If I want to, I can still make arguments why I shouldn't believe it. The reason this stuff so easily gets started is probably because so many of us are smelling some kind of smoke and want to know where it's coming from. When one has been lied to enough times there's just no trust left and one starts looking for the truth elsewhere. A perfect condition for hoaxers.

The one thing that bothers me the most about this whole thing is something that I think was written somewhere in the AU-guy's original message. It's the thing about when crying wolf enough times noone is going to care. That is very true. And if this is just another example of someone crying wolf, well how are we going to react next time someone comes along with a real warning?

Anyways, most people are just trying to fill in the blanks in this freakin maze of lies and half-truths, so please stop calling eachother ignorant or whatever.

Thanks for your time. Se you all in July.

I can't believe this is still going on, but it seems that against all logic people are still trying to find ways to believe what has been PROVEN to be a hoax.

I will bet you now that someone will say that the death of Ronald Reagan was staged to distract the public and media away from this impending doom.

Or maybe someone has already said that and has posted a link to a site that can prove it??

Gazz