reply to post by stereologist
The claim is that the spiral is the oldest ancient symbol. Is that true? No. The petroglyphs shown in the video are often in the range of 1500 years
old. That is not old. There is older writing in Sumer.
ok the spiral is not the oldest symbol. This video comes obviously not from an scientist. Nevertheless this very old symbol is widely spreaded
througout the whole world. I don't know the age of the spiral as a symbol, the video shows a spiral with ca. 3000 BC.
The claim that everyone has the same symbol is false.
OK but many cultures around the globe have/had the same symbol and noone knows exactly why. The world tree which is also a very ancient symbol accross
several cutures is easier to understand.
The claim that we know the meaning of the spiral is also false. Only cultures with writing allow us to learn the meaning in ancient times. The
discussion simply tells us the modern interpretation, not the old meaning.
We can know the meaning of the spirals either because they still exist or because they or someone else wrote about it, but like you said in other
cases researchers interpret their meaning.
For example, the video talks about the Hopi meaning of the spiral yet it shows an image of what is probably an Anaszi spiral. That is deception since
the Hopi and Anasazi cultures are different.
lol I don't understand why it is so important to use a hopi spiral, when noone of the mainstream people know the difference. But nevertheless I looked
around in the web where this picture comes from and found
this Spanish blog: The picture with
this spiral is below the title "La espiral y el color azul para los Indios Hopi". Maybe you are wrong or if you think you are right: Can you show us
typical Hopi and Anasazi spirals if this difference is so important to you?
If you listen, you learn that at best the spiral has some sort of religious meaning. All of the descriptions are substantially different.
If I listen I hear that it is the most sacred of symbols to every indigenous culture. Therefore I would rather say it has some sort of spiritual
meaning. There is a difference between religion and spirituallity.
IMHO the meaning of the spirals is overall quite similar.
The claim that all cultures saw something that inspired the spiral is nonsense. Nothing shown leads to that conclusion. Why doesn't the video discuss
other common symbols that are found in many ancient pictographs and petroglyphs? The reason is simple. The video has a preconceived notion of what
they want to prove.
Of course it cannot be scientific proven I don't know how this would be possible. With a time machine perhaps?
Then the claim that the world has seen the spiral is again a false claim. The world did not see the spiral. The world has learn of the spiral through
photographs. Are we to assume using the same bad logic of this video that the ancients had cameras and disseminated the images through the time
honored methods of smoke signals and jungle drums? NO.
The spiral sighings occured not only in norway but also in china, australia and several other countries in 2009. But I agree that not nearly everyone
was aware of such sightings.
The Norway spiral was a failed ICBM launch visible to an incredibly small part of the world for a very short period of time. It was not globally
visible. To claim this was the type of event viewed all over the world and seen by all cultures is at a minimum ridiculous. A global event would have
to be something other than an atmospheric event seen in Norway - only a small portion of Norway for a few minutes. It would have to be far away and
last 24 hours so that everyone would have a chance to see and record it.
Any rational explanation had to be found. How can we know for sure that every spiral sighting was because of any failed missle launch. But this is a
good point and a few people claim that missles can look like such sightings.
The video is a poorly constructed mess.
IMHO it's nevertheless quite interesting and inspiring.
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