Infowars Journalist Arrested, Held for Asking Karl Rove a Question During UT Appearance

Originally posted by Neo_Serf
Nothing good comes out of Infowars?

Really. This site would hardly exist without the tireless efforts of the Infowar team. I'd be willing to wager at least half of the members here at ATS were 'woken up' by Alex Jones and company. Its stunning to me that on a supposed 'conspiracy' site, a huge vocal minority will derail thread after thread whenever Infowars is cited, unknowning and uncaring that Infowars source matirial is almost always MSN public record, and in the cases that an 'inside source' is used, that info is almost always confirmed later by the MSN as legit. Perfect example: the MIAC reports that almost everyone groundlessly decleared a fraud until the documents were confirmed as real (even Ron Pauls camp couldnt believe it) reluctantly by the MSN.

How about another couple quick examples that people cried foul on but were later confirmed to be true: WTO going to level 6 during the swine flu hoax, and John Holdrens Eugenics manifestio 'Ecoscience'. Both times Infowars was ridiculed by MSN and this site as 'more AJ lies' until confirmed by the almighty MSN and independant journalists, and in the case of the Swine Flu, by the WTO itself. The MIAC report was also confirmed by the state as legit. Critics again fell silent after AJ and companys info turned out to be honest journalism.

So to this random poster from the depths of the interweb, people crying foul and disinfo in general, and SPECIFICALLY in this case when a legit reporter was DETAINED, not arrested for asking legit questions that every journalist worth his salt should be asking, to the prince of darkness HIMSELF...well this random poster finds is disgusting that anyone who values freedom would derail, confuse, or downright disinform people in siding with said PRINCE OF DARKNESS over one of the true independant sources of informantion left in this world. It sickens me, and saddens me, that on a site that prides itself on denying ignorance, that anyone would dismiss this clear violation of freedom in favour of one of the most evil public figures one could imagine. Or ANYONE for that matter. Questions are not a crime! Even if you mistakenly believe everything that comes out of Infowars is BS, if you value freedom, you should support their right to ask any questions they want, and write any articles they want, BS or no!

Sucks that I have fallen into the disinfo trap of debating the execution of the messenger, when we should be talking about the topic itself, which is serious and important to anyone who likes freedom. But this Infowar bashing must stop, unless you feel people like Paul Craig Roberts, Ron Paul, Max Kieser, Gerald Celente, John Perkins and MANY other truth tellers are in on the disinfo campaign and conspire with AJ in a conspiracy against conspiracies to mislead us all with disinfo and lies that somehow almost always turn out to be true.

But this response is a derailment in itself. If the subject matter is true (lets assume it is for sake of argument, and id be willing to bet it is) do we support the police state actions of detaining someone asking REAL questions, or dont we? The way we respond to this is critical to all our futures.

Whos peace are we concerned with disturbing exactly? Is calling someone a liar now an arrestable offence, even when addressing the PRINCE of lies and spin?! Seriously!? Messed up that any of you would support this action, you should be ashamed.

alex jones is not always 100% honest which is a shame..but...i agree with his main message 100%..its just a REAL shame he sometimes falls into the trap of exaggerating (or even lying at times) to get this message across..thats disappointing.

Video here:

www.youtube.com...

It looks like it doesn't show the whole thing. Hopefully there will be a better video out tomorrow. It doesn't show him asking the question, just the end of it...

Not a very flattering video, the way it is.

[edit on 20-4-2010 by PsyOpCyclops]

reply to post by alienesque


Even if every word that gets published by Infowars is BS, do you not support their right to spew said BS?

Many a military man has told me 'i dont agree with what you say, but i would die to defend your right to say it.' The very essence of freedom is allowing people to speak unpopular opinions, lies, and whatever other BS they dream up and vocalize. You see, freedom itself rests solely upon the right to voice unpopular opinions. (which the infowars journalists were not, everyone knows Rove is a putrid, undead serpent of unholiness ) ...literally the flesh and blood incarnation of all that is wrong with the world...which is besides the point. I should be well within my rights to call Mother Teresa an old ***** if i so choose

So lets stop attacking the messenger and talk about the substance: does ANYONE here support the detainment of a journalist for calling Rove a liar? Simple yes or no will do.

[edit on 20-4-2010 by Neo_Serf]

reply to post by Neo_Serf


You didn't watch the video, did you?



Fact; there was a disturbance, far more akin to a protest than genuine journalism.

Fact; the "journalist" being filmed attempted to turn around several times to continue his tirade before eventually giving up. This is resisting arrest.

Fact; Infowars/Kurt Nimmo LIED when they said their "journalist" merely asked a question. The evidence shows he was ranting/shouting incomprehensibly, rather than carrying himself in a professional manner.

Fact; Infowars/Kurt Nimmo LIED when they stated their "journalist" did not initially resist arrest.

Fact; the man claiming to be a "journalist" is in reality an activist.

Fact; Infowars/Kurt Nimmo encouraged more activism on the back of the above LIES and untruths.

Fact; Infowars/Kurt Nimmo LIED in the statement that claimed the only reason the activist was arrested was due to him being an Infowars "journalist". The police probably had no idea who he was, and instead arrested him because he was behaving like a loon.

Originally posted by Neo_Serf


So lets stop attacking the messenger and talk about the substance: does ANYONE here support the detainment of a journalist for calling Rove a liar? Simple yes or no will do.

[edit on 20-4-2010 by Neo_Serf]

No, not at all. The problem unfortunately IS the messenger. This particular messenger has been know to both lie and provocate. At this point, it is easy enough to assume that all the evidence should be seen before any judgement is made.

It is really too bad that anyone had to go and make me defend Karl Rove in any fashion but hey. When you have a history of pushing the limits of what is common decent behavior as well as stepping just over the line of the law in an attempt to provoke arrest...a cloud of doubt just kind of comes with the show.

reply to post by PsyOpCyclops


Flattering to whom? The disgusting parasite liar pshycopath minion that is Rove, or the actual human being that posesses a conscience and courage that is the infowars reporter who is standing tall for YOUR freedom? How many of us would have the balls to stand tall vs one of the most dangerous public figures and call him out infront of hundreds/thousand hopefully million? Who among you would stand in a room of kneelers and speak truth to power? To your would be masters? This man has most Kahoones in his left Kahoon than most of us, myself included, have in our whole bodies! Do we have such a slave mentality that we call for the pounding of any nail that stands up? Perhaps we should have 'TASED THAT BRO' to teach him a lesson and set and example for any other slave that dared stand up and challenge the masters?!

Who is the real enemy here? The upstart and independant Infowars? Or the most coordianted, sophisticated, organised, sadisits and ancient power structure ever known - Rove representing the tip of the iceberg?

Seriously, this late in the game...who are you guys rooting for?

edit for horrible spelling sure theres much more

[edit on 20-4-2010 by Neo_Serf]

reply to post by K J Gunderson


Fine. Clouds of doubt. Infowars crew insane, and everyone who associates with them. Lets pretend for sake of argument.

Do you support these police actions?

Told you people not to do what alex jones wants.

Sure, if someone is in a private institution the owner of said property of insitution has the right to boot him for whatever reason. What I am unclear on is if the Infowar reporter was criminally detained or charged with any crime, or was he simple escorted off the grounds.

If told to leave and escorted out, fine, ive been escorted out of my share of establishments. If charged with a crime or otherwise detained by law enforcement, horrible infringement of his human rights and destestable to myself and hopefully anyone else.

If the answer to my question is known and i failed to inform myself, i appologize for an overly emotional response. Legal issues aside ,Rove makes me want to vomit. Courage is definded by doing what is right regardless of the consequences or circumstances. Shouting down that serpent in mans clothing that is Rove is awesome in my book, civility be damned.

Originally posted by Neo_Serf
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Fine. Clouds of doubt. Infowars crew insane, and everyone who associates with them. Lets pretend for sake of argument.

That is not what I said. What I said was that given the history, I would have to see the footage myself before I jump to the defense of either side. Did you not see Alex hijack and ruin that 9/11 truth rally? Things are not right down at the old Prisonplanetinfowars camp.

Now, I have seen the footage.

Do you support these police actions?

Given what I see, yes - to a point. I am not sure I agree he should have been charged with anything. They could have just tossed his butt and made him look stupid. What do you feel should have happened? Should people be allowed to come to your functions and be disruptive in such a way?

[edit on 20-4-2010 by K J Gunderson]

Seriously...

If I won a prize on a radio show, and my choice was a dog turd or Karl Rove, I'd choose the dog turd every time...At least I could use the dog turd...I could put it in a bag and set it on fire on my neighbours porch...As for Karl Rove, I can't think of a use for him..

Just goes to show what a bunch of idjits they are down in good 'ol Texas, real mental giants for sure...

I'm amazed there are people here saying "I'm not defending Karl Rove..." when all they've done is exactly that...

Coupla hypocrites on this thread, methinks Not naming names, of course

Originally posted by Retrovertigo
Seriously...

If I won a prize on a radio show, and my choice was a dog turd or Karl Rove, I'd choose the dog turd every time...At least I could use the dog turd...I could put it in a bag and set it on fire on my neighbours porch...As for Karl Rove, I can't think of a use for him..

Fat people burn way better and longer than poop. It is just harder to get them started and to find a bag to put them in.

Just goes to show what a bunch of idjits they are down in good 'ol Texas, real mental giants for sure...

I'm amazed there are people here saying "I'm not defending Karl Rove..." when all they've done is exactly that...

I am one of those people. I am not defending Rove. I am simply pointing out that being wrong does not automatically win just because your target is Karl Rove.

If he passed away, I would not miss him. If someone were arrested for killing him, I would agree that the police should have arrested him. Karl Rove sucks. Murder sucks too.

Karl Rove sucks. Acting like an ass and a loon sucks too.

Coupla hypocrites on this thread, methinks

Not naming names, of course

I said it and I am putting my name right here. If you do not agree, please explain why.

I understand the anger towards Rove and the passion to have positive changes take place sooner rather than later.

What concerns me is that these type of stunts cause movements that are seeking to expose the truth to become marginalized. I would much rather see a more subtle approach used rather than force on force. A martial arts analogy would be to use aikido instead of Thai boxing.

How could infiltrating this event be more effective? imho...

1. blending in with the crowd
   
2. creating rapport with as many individuals as possible
   
3. asking intelligent questions that makes the speaker come across as inconsistent or dishonest and hopefully cause those you made a positive on to question their beliefs
   

If we truly believe that we have the truth on our side, then we must work to help deprogram those who have been brainwashed, not insult them and further polarize our world.

Originally posted by Neo_Serf
reply to post by alienesque

 

Even if every word that gets published by Infowars is BS, do you not support their right to spew said BS?

Many a military man has told me 'i dont agree with what you say, but i would die to defend your right to say it.' The very essence of freedom is allowing people to speak unpopular opinions, lies, and whatever other BS they dream up and vocalize. You see, freedom itself rests solely upon the right to voice unpopular opinions. (which the infowars journalists were not, everyone knows Rove is a putrid, undead serpent of unholiness ) ...literally the flesh and blood incarnation of all that is wrong with the world...which is besides the point. I should be well within my rights to call Mother Teresa an old ***** if i so choose

So lets stop attacking the messenger and talk about the substance: does ANYONE here support the detainment of a journalist for calling Rove a liar? Simple yes or no will do.

[edit on 20-4-2010 by Neo_Serf]

im not attacking him..did you not read my post?

first you get jail for asking questions
then they start to ban and modify books/information
then they come for you


wonder how many times humanity must face that trinity of injustice

Originally posted by zerbot565
first you get jail for asking questions
then they start to ban and modify books/information
then they come for you


wonder how many times humanity must face that trinity of injustice

Be honest now.

After watching that video, can you really say all he did was ask questions?

Infowars is becoming the PETA of the conspiracy news world - one brainless publicity stunt after another This one is so transparent it's pathetic. I was also watching a video of Jones' radio show yesterday and it was embarrassing - "this is huge news.....when I say that, listeners know I'm serious" etc, and then acting almost as if he was going to cry because it was SO hard for him to know about this terrible stuff. Yuk.

Rove is slime, for sure - but I think he just got out-slimed!

The title of this thread is misleading.

The guy did not just ask a question of Karl Rove. He made an a$$ out of himself, while trying to get the "truth."

The problem I have with this type of stunt is that the truth will never be found, in this fashion.

No child is going to admit to putting their hand in the cookie jar if you ask them in the wrong way.

god forbid he call a war criminal and neocon scumbag like karl rove a liar... old woman have called him worse things and have not been arrested.. thats like having someone arrested for jaywalking... you know what the infowars guy was thinkin in his head.. "what the F***?" to me this just proves that Karl Rove, war criminal, architect of death, is a cockroach that needs to be squashed.

reply to post by Vitchilo


Listen, i don't like Karl Rove either. But Allis0ne is speaking truth here. This guy disturbed the peace. The police are required to defuse a potentially hostile situation, and if they don't the public will scream when someone gets hurt. The hypocrisy of public opinion is dumbfounding, honestly.

If you are going to call Rove a war criminal, then you admit that there are laws. part of our laws are 'due process'. You cannot go out and accuse him publicly of being a war criminal until he is afforded his due process. Doing such is called "slander". Now, obviously it isn't normally a big deal. But if someone pays him to come speak, and a nitwit shows up to smear poop all over his event that has been paid for, then it is something that must be acted on.

If people think this is how you protest "the man", it completely explains why our country is in the condition it is in. All that energy wasted on ineffective methods has broken the spirit of people who seem to care enough to do something. Most often it is the mind of a juvenile or infirm that believes the ends justify the means, and as people mature they will either start to not care, or will learn to approach it appropriately. Unfortunately, too often it is complacency that wins.

The quickest way to be ignored is to behave like a petulant child. Civility is a requirement on ATS for a reason. It shows a mind of a higher order. Demand the same from your countrymen. If you don't, then don't come whining to me when you reap what you sow.

[edit on 20-4-2010 by bigfatfurrytexan]