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NYT/CBS Poll: 52% Say Obama Moving America Towards Socialism!

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posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 08:26 PM
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A New York Times/CBS News poll found that a majority of Americans, 52 percent, think the policies of President Barack Obama are moving the United States toward socialism


The poll asked respondents specifically whether the president’s policies “are moving the country more toward socialism.” Fifty-two percent answered “toward socialism” while only 38 percent answered “not toward socialism.”

Source: cnsnews.com...

Now the story turned into a Tea Party hit piece. Amazing. Then, at the end of the article, this monkey math. I have never seen this type of explanation of the people polled and the numbers created. Sounds like Monkey Math!


According to The New York Times, "(t)he nationwide telephone poll was conducted April 5-12 with 1,580 adults. For the purposes of analysis, Tea Party supporters were oversampled, for a total of 881, and then weighted back to their proper proportion in the poll. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points for both all adults and Tea Party supporters, and it is higher for subgroups."





[edit on 4/17/2010 by anon72]




posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 08:30 PM
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So 52% of the people polled don't know what they hell they're talking about?

That's more than a little discomforting .



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by anon72

According to The New York Times, "(t)he nationwide telephone poll was conducted April 5-12 with 1,580 adults. For the purposes of analysis, Tea Party supporters were oversampled, for a total of 881, and then weighted back to their proper proportion in the poll. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points for both all adults and Tea Party supporters, and it is higher for subgroups."





In other words... "We couldn't find enough people who helped us achieve the desired results, so we 'weighted' respondents to reduce the effects on the outcome."
Reading between the lines this means that the likely result was statistically significant enough to warrant the 'weighting' - i.e. the actual result was probably well over 60% believing that we are moving toward Socialism... but that would be counter-productive to their propaganda.



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 08:37 PM
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This is good as long the Socialism where America goes because of Obama are Democratic Socialism as Venezuela under Chavez does



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 08:55 PM
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Of course the really BIG news is that 80% of Americans can't tell you exactly what Socialism is! They just know it's bad, or something.



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by Destiny Of Souls
So 52% of the people polled don't know what they hell they're talking about?

That's more than a little discomforting .


The main idea of socialism is public take-over of private property. One of the first things Obama did was a take-over of GM and a large number of banks. And now he wants to tightly control the entire medical insurance industry and has implemented strict controls over them. By the definition of socialism, Obama is moving America towards socialism. This is a fact.



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by Destiny Of Souls
So 52% of the people polled don't know what they hell they're talking about?

That's more than a little discomforting .


Exactly. Those polls would be truthful if they said:

"This is what the media has brainwashed the public into believing"



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by truthquest

Originally posted by Destiny Of Souls
So 52% of the people polled don't know what they hell they're talking about?

That's more than a little discomforting .


The main idea of socialism is public take-over of private property. One of the first things Obama did was a take-over of GM and a large number of banks. And now he wants to tightly control the entire medical insurance industry and has implemented strict controls over them. By the definition of socialism, Obama is moving America towards socialism. This is a fact.


Well, would you prefer all the fat-cats up top to be rolling around in their 9 million dollars a year salaries, contributing to pollution and running the lives of the working class?

Or should the government be doing it, and using all the profits towards "government-things" ?



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 09:58 PM
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I agree in part except when has any goverment run entity made a profit??
BTW, that goes for here in OZ too and our PM is also trying to take Hostpital care from the states.



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 10:01 PM
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Only 52%?

That seems real low.

But the American public proved how smart it was by electing this guy in the first place. They are coming around slowly though. Even the less intelligent have pocketbooks.



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by virgom129
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I agree in part except when has any goverment run entity made a profit??
BTW, that goes for here in OZ too and our PM is also trying to take Hostpital care from the states.


When have we ever had a black president, and when have we ever taken over GM?

When was the first time ANYTHING happened?



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 12:09 AM
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In other news, Socialists say Obama's not one of them.


Llewellyn, the national director of the Democratic Socialists of America, says he was struck by one player in the 2008 presidential elections who displayed more socialistic leanings than Obama.

This candidate raised taxes on the big oil companies, and sent the revenue to the people.

If you want to learn something about spreading the wealth, Llewellyn says, don't look to Obama.

"To be honest, the most socialist candidate in the 2008 election was Sarah Palin."


Emphasis mine.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 12:51 AM
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You sound pro Obama and yet are the dirst poster yo bring up color.
Why is that? Next come the "we're all just racist?
Just for the record.
My PM is white but I dont like him either. I think he watches CNN too much.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 01:22 AM
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Exactly-great breakdown.

I don't know if we should praise them for letting that be known, or call them jacka--es for the way they did it.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by RestingInPieces

Originally posted by truthquest

Originally posted by Destiny Of Souls
So 52% of the people polled don't know what they hell they're talking about?

That's more than a little discomforting .


The main idea of socialism is public take-over of private property. One of the first things Obama did was a take-over of GM and a large number of banks. And now he wants to tightly control the entire medical insurance industry and has implemented strict controls over them. By the definition of socialism, Obama is moving America towards socialism. This is a fact.


Well, would you prefer all the fat-cats up top to be rolling around in their 9 million dollars a year salaries, contributing to pollution and running the lives of the working class?

Or should the government be doing it, and using all the profits towards "government-things" ?


I'd prefer the fat-cats up top who can't handle their companies to go bankrupt and go home, rather than continue to get paid millions of dollars each year being kept alive by the federal government.

As for both pollution and wasteful budgeting, private companies will never approach the pollution or wasteful spending of the US federal government. So no, the government should not be taking over private companies to fund wasteful and pollution-filled government things.



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