reply to post by highlyoriginal
Ok, back now, although I can't claim to be any more refreshed mentally, due to a variety of circumstances which come with trying to sleep in the
middle of the day in a busy and noisy neighbourhood. My fault entirely ...
You say you find it difficult to believe that someone would see what we call a ghost. And then go about their usual business (including a night's
sleep) in a form of trance-state as consequence of the experience. And not remember any of that for approx. 10 hours. With further memories of the
experience not surfacing for 20+ years
That's the thing about these experiences though, isn't it ? We find them difficult to believe. Even when they're our own
find them difficult to believe. And no matter how entertaining or spine-tingling we consider other people's ghost-tales to be quite often --- if we
were asked to sign a legal document saying Yes, I Believe This
--- then most of us would have to decline
Because, (and as we'd say to the person holding the document):
' Look. I liked the story. It conforms with my personal version of how ghosts should appear and behave, etc. But I wasn't there, was I ? They
could have invented or copied it from a book or movie, for all I know. I liked the story and how it was told on ATS. I starred and flagged it. But
that doesn't mean I believe it. It didn't happen to me, after all, so how could I know if it's true or not ? '
Life isn't always believable, which might account for the numerous sites devoted to 'Incredible' and 'Unbelievable' news, where we read (for
example) that a 34 year old woman in the UK very recently died of suspected blood-poisoning after having a stud inserted in her tongue as a 'birthday
surprise gift'. Tens of thousands, around the world have had tongue-studs inserted. They will probably roll their eyes and disbelieve that a simple
tongue stud could kill a grown woman. But she's dead, nevertheless
On the same theme, we see on Youtube several dozen videos of guys flying and jumping off rooftops and landing without harm or suffering something as
minor as a twisted ankle. Yet in the international news a few weeks ago, it was reported that a UK tourist fell down no more than one or two steps
when alighting from a plane in Mexico --- and died there on the tarmac, with her family trying to shield her with their jackets -- while the airline
and ground crew stood by and refused to assist because it could offend one of the unions -- and with the doctor unable to assist because he'd had to
travel to the scene in his old, personal jalopy. How could such a comic-opera occur in this day and age, people ask -- how could anyone die from
falling one or two steps ? But the woman's dead. Just as the 22 year woman died in the UK whilst at work. All she was doing was carrying a cup of
coffee down a flight of stairs she used dozens of times a day. She only fell a couple of steps near the bottom. She was to be married the following
month. Seems impossible she could died from something so minor, doesn't it ? Movies stars throw others or fall themselves, down two or three
flights of stairs and bounce up to shoot six bad-guys in a few seconds. We've all seen it. So why ... in real life ... are ordinary people dying
from a fall down two steps ? Which are we supposed to believe --- the news, or movies and Youtube ?
So, it's bad enough making sense sometimes of what happens to physical, living bodies which don't behave as we expect them to. Becomes immeasurably
more difficult when the discussion's about discarnate, i.e., 'ghostly' bodies
I don't know the percentage of people, worldwide, who claim to have witnessed a ghost. Maybe the figures are out there. What is it, do you know ...
20% ? 40% ? In a thread like this, we might expect that percentage to be higher, just as ATS, generally-speaking, might be expected to attract a
higher than average number of people claiming to have witnessed a UFO
But, throughout the general community, the percentage of people who claim to have witnessed a ghost or UFO could be expected to be considerably lower.
For example, in real-life, I've only known of perhaps five people who've claimed either to have seen a UFO themselves, or to know someone else
who's claimed to have seen one.
Yet I've met literally thousands of people throughout my combined school, working and personal life. And as you might have gathered, I have a strong
interest in certain subjects and don't avoid discussing them
The point I'm making is that although a forum like this one might discuss certain topics as a matter of course --- in real life, they're relatively
Why aren't there dozens of threads on ATS about eating or cooking meals, for example ? Or threads about changing diapers or being stuck in peak-hour
traffic ? Isn't it because such topics are 'ordinary' --- are something with which we're all familiar and therefore of no particular interest ?
Seeing a UFO whilst cooking a meal or being stuck in traffic is considered interesting, though, isn't it ?
When movie-producers make movies about ghosts (or UFOs) they're not trying to make a movie which will inform or educate. People don't want to be
educated. They want to be entertained. That's why they pay. Nor do they wish to be bored. They want the big-bang, the larger-than-life. They
want the drama. They want the 'oooooo' factor.
They want to be kept on the edge of their seats. That's what they're paying for
So when we see tv-ghost-hunters being accused of trickery, fakery, hoaxing --- it's because the producer of their show has told them to 'spice it
up ! '
. Watching six people sitting patiently in a darkened room clutching their instruments for six hours --- it's not too exciting ! Who has
six hours to waste in watching that ? How many people are aware that ghost-hunters often invest months in a row, visiting supposedly 'haunted'
places ---- only to be rewarded with no sign of anything at all ? Yet that's the way it is, in real life
People aren't aware of the reality. Instead --- programmed by 'ghost' shows on tv --- the average person believes (wants
to believe) that
every delapidated old house, every graveyard, is a seething hot-bed of misty ghosts, wailing and whining and swirling around and eager to be filmed.
That's why people go on ghost-tours. And they expect their money's worth. So there are hoaxes and outright fakery, to keep the customers happy.
And it's what people expect -- for ghosts to behave in a certain way ... to look a certain way. ' Make me happy. Gimme what I want ! ' cries the
consumer-society to the dead. As if once you're dead, you have an obligation to become a stereotypical ghost for teh entertainment of the living
Well, ghosts don't appear on demand and if and when they do appear, they obviously feel no obligation to cater to our expectations
And we of the living ? Well, we don't even know what ghosts are, do we ? We don't know if they're residual energy or if they draw energy from
source 'X' or in fact impart energy. We call them vibrations and waves, plasma, emanations, spirits, etc. etc. They're an uknown. Yet a large
sector of the community expects ghosts to conform to creatures in a B-grade movie or photographic-trickery posted on Youtube
So let's look at 'real life'. Some of the living are quiet -- some are loud. Some are honest -- some are sneaky. Some barge through a door
loudly --- others aren't even noticed. Some leap from planes or buildings for kicks --- others collect stamps and butterflies.
They have one thing in common --- they're all going to die
And when they die, perhaps some will appear to the living as ghosts
Doesn't it make sense that the ghost of a daredevil might appear and behave differently to the ghost of a Sunday-school teacher ? Just as the ghost
of a murderous paedophile might appear and behave differently to the ghost of a mother of eleven children ?
So whilst I understand my experience of ghosts seems 'odd' to you, that in itself is perfectly normal. You are not me. You aren't wired as I am.
You haven't experienced what I've experienced. You don't share genetic material with me. And the reverse
I may consider your 'real life' to be 'odd'. I might consider the clothes and foods which you prefer --- to be odd. I might consider your
friends to be odd. I might consider your lifestyle to be odd. and the reverse
It's said that if 20 people witness an event, they will provide 20 different witness statements, all of them honest. And that's in real-life and in
In the same way, someone might see a ghost while the person next to them sees nothing
For example, when I first saw the 'timid' ghost, on almost daily basis and afterwards was struck by the fact he'd had no discernible legs below
approx. the knee area -- there was nothing in the literature at my disposal to confirm what I'd noted. This was years before internet. But I had no
doubt about what I'd observed and didn't doubt myself, just because no-one had written about the same thing. Fast foward several decades --- and I
met someone whose daughter had observed the same unusual detail re: the ghost of her grandmother. Fast forward decades again ... and ... a year or so
after I first posted on ATS (under different ID) about the discrepancy re: the legs of the ghosts I'd observed (because by then I'd seen another)
--- someone else confirmed it. Then another. In total, a period of over 30 years had elapsed since I'd seen that ghost, but finally, my
observations were being validated by others, including by then a couple of authors
So, what might seem 'odd' today, might tomorrow emerge as relatively common, if such could be said of the 'para'normal