I called a radar station

When I was 12 years old, I was starting to get into UFO stuff. After reading couple of book from the library, because Internet was not available back then, I decided to go strait to the source and I called the radar station of Mt Apica (Canadian AFB, now relocated near Bagotville AFB).

I simply asked to talk to the officer in charge of the radar, I got transfered and asked a very simple question : "Did you see any unusual activity on your radar screen?"

He could not answer directly as you would suspect, but he told me they had tons of report of birds flying over mach 10 doing sharp turns and huge objects registered as mountains slowly moving.

Did any of you here had a similar experience/data?

wow. Thats quite interesting what he told you. Birds flying mach 10 and mountains moving slowly? incredible. I know he wasnt really talking about birds or mountains, but thats still pretty cool. I myself have seen ufo's on 5 different occasions in my life. four of them were very high in the sky, but moved in and out of clouds, made sharp turns, and disapeared. The last one i saw which was most recent, about 2 years ago, was very low. The way i can describe it is it looked like a perfect chrome sphere, shining so brightly in the sunlight. It hovered near a small mountain range near Casino Morongo in the California desert. It shifted straight up, then down, moved once to the right, then back up and zipped away behind the mountain all in about 30 seconds. I was utterly amazed at what i saw. it was so clear, and so close, there was no doubt as to what i was seeing. And the strange thing was that my girlfriend at the time could not see it for the life of her. That was quite an exciting moment, but still so very strange that i was the only one that could see it. I have heard of instances like that before, where certain people see it, and others dont, but i never understood that until it happened to me.

Wow, quite a lot of sightings. I never witnessed firsthand bu I know a couple of people who did.

I think we have a weird and interresting future ahead.

Did you call the radar site or the controllers that were looking at the scope?

There is a big difference there. Not all controllers are at the site of the radar. I am not trying to make a big deal out of it, but just wanting to know the distinction.

Generally, officers are not in charge of a radar site. The radar site is maintained by enlisted personnel with the highest ranking usually a technical sergeant or a master sergeant.

If you talked to the controllers (ie, the ATC that is monitoring the radar feed), then possibly you spoke to an officer.

I am not trying to rip apart your thread or what you were told, it just sounds all fishy to me.

Mach 10, across a terminal radar screen wouldn't probably register as a target, rather as noise. The speed at which that object is moving, and depending on its azimuth and heading in relation to the radar wouldn't register as much more than that.

Not really. you can get quite a bit of info if you just ask. Anything can be denied but most will tell a tail that will blow you away.

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I admire your courage.

I always assumed that if I were to try something like that, I'd be getting a visit from the men in the white jackets to take me to a happy place where the scary aliens couldn't hurt me.

Interesting stuff, indeed.

Originally posted by gagol
huge objects registered as mountains slowly moving.

Did he give you any more information about that part? Whether terrestrial or otherwise, something that large in the sky is worth investigating.


TheAssoc.

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Huge objects the size of mountains slowly moving! Wow.. Can one imagine? Certainly such things cannot be visible to the naked eye, these things must have some sort of camoflauge or cloaking tech.

Would rock to see such a beast floating in the sky though

I have a friend who used to be an air traffic controller, he would never tell me anything when I asked about unusual objects on radar, in fact he used to get very edgy when I enquired.

Then he retired. He still was not very forthcoming. But one day I decided to ask the question differently.

So I said "is there a system/routine in place if something unusual shows up on radar near a plane?"

He said "yes there is"

I said "so what happens?"

He said "the object's (time, date, location ) is logged and the pilots of the planes concerned are told to deal with it locally (themselves)."

His reasoning for this was that because air traffic control could not see the incident, then there is nothing they can do about it. So they leave it to the pilot.

But I got the impression that there is an attempt to not keep a record of it. Note: I did not say cover it up !

He also said that this procedure is used quite often.

I never got any more info from him, so there you go, make what you want of that little conversation.

Be Good

When you called this radio station, did you ask about specific incidents which you had researched , or did you just generaly say " Hey radar dude, whats your angle on this whole UFO thing?".
I would love to hear of someone getting a forthcoming response in reaction to a direct question like that.

I did not asked about specific incidents, and I confirmed with the officer that he was the on watching the screen at that very moment.

I do not have more details, but the honesty of the officer gave me a strong sense of confidence in our military at that time. I guess that is why I when to the Army Cadets.

That was 18 years ago...

BTW, I am Canadian, so I spoke with Canadian military officer.

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Thank you very much for your information.

I feel bad for your friend controller, it seems to be hard on him.

I hope some day we will have access to th archives of supersonic birds.

I think the point is when something unusual happens on the radar screens, it gets filed as something meaningless and thus they can claim no accumulating information about UFO's, they are birds and mountains!

Also keep in mind that is BIG radar covering a huge area for North American defense, don't know the exact specs though.

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Depends on the area and type of radar. Terminal systems only cover out to 60 nm, with 360degs of coverage, with altitude limitations.

A long range radar typically goes out to about 240nm with 360degs of coverage and has a better altitude resolution.

Now as far as moving mountains. Most radars employ MTI, or Moving Target Indicator. This is a product of normal, every day returns. The MTI is processed based upon clocks, where the target was the last time it was returned, its phase shift, etc.

There is a possibility there was a malfunction in the radar itself that would give the appearance of 'slow moving mountains'.

Was that the case? I do not know, but only offering that if needed, I could duplicate that scenario.

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Very insightful, yo do know more about radars than me. The operator may have given a bucket full of bull**** too, but I doubt it.

I worked with a radar on a ship once. The most amazing sights were when a radar wave image from another radar system would show on the screen. you could see the radar waves coming from a direction many miles before the emmiter showed up on your radar. They behaved like you would think a flying saucer would, making them appear to be UFOs.

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While I do not know what you have been told/sold nor do I know wheat was sent to the display screens; I will try and bring the scientific to the table so that we can discuss the unknown....

I had the opportunity to speak with an AWACS crew member last year, after a little chit chat, for fun i asked him if he had ever had any detections of UFO activity ,i was shocked when he said he could lose his job if he told me , then looking quite serious, looked at me and nodded.

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