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Soros Wants Power Shift From U.S. to China

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posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 02:55 PM
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During an interview with the BBC at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, billionaire leftist George Soros weighed in on the power and influence of the U.S.

"Im not looking for a worldwide recession. Im looking for a significant shift of power and influence away from the US in particular and a shift in favour of the developing world, particularly China."
So, there you have it -- straight from Soros' anti-American lips.

Therefore, whenever you see the multitude of Soros-funded leftist groups creating havoc in the U.S. economy, culture and political system, there should be no doubt as to the intent. Soros wants to beat down the United States while championing the ChiComs.

Soros obviously doesn't support free markets, free speech nor individual liberty. Presumably, leftist American groups backed by Soros money and pushing his agenda don't either.

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This shows what leftists, and the Socialist rich elitists want.... The Obama administration is going to be more than happy to accept this since they are 'Progressives"...


It is time to stop these idiots, and show Soros, and his Socialist/leftist elitist friends that WE DON'T WANT THEIR ONE WORLD SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT!!!




posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:11 PM
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Oh, you mean George Soros, hyper-capitalist and anti-Soviet crusader? The same George Soros that does business with those other hyper-capitalists, the Rothschilds? George Soros, the man who bashes Bush Jr. and is intricately tied to the Carlyle Group, the private equity firm and epicenter of the 'military-industrial-complex' that seemed to be the nucleus of all shady dealings done during that administration?

You do realize that Soros funded the Polish Solidarity and Czech Charter 77 rebel groups against the Soviets, right? Or the fact that he also funded the Rose Revolution in Georgia that deposed President Eduard Shevardnadze, a former member of the Communist Partyof the Soviet Union? What about his aid in transitioning Hungary from Communism to Capitalism?

Oh, and you have heard of the Chinese Market Reforms of 1978, haven't you?



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse


This shows what leftists, and the Socialist rich elitists want.... The Obama administration is going to be more than happy to accept this since they are 'Progressives"...


It is time to stop these idiots, and show Soros, and his Socialist/leftist elitist friends that WE DON'T WANT THEIR ONE WORLD SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT!!!


Who's we? One person cannot speak for the masses.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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Soros might just get his wish in times to come however no doubt about it the Western world's World War 4 will be against China but that's most probably some 45 off years away.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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If I could give you 10 stars, I would.

Is Soros saying he wants this to happen, or is he merely looking at the state of the world, and making the logical prediction that this could happen?



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:21 PM
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reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


Where are you getting your information? Soros is the one who said he was "having a very good recession." Left and right hate this guy.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:37 PM
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Thanks - and I agree, how do we know the context that this quote is taken in? One of the key rules in academic research is to not trust your sources 100% - bias and spin are the names of the game that everyone plays, left and right alike. How do we know that he isn't just talking about economics trends?

Hate to break it to some people, but nothing is constant. Superpowers rise and fall, it's the march of time and history that show us this one true fact.

Oh, and I would like to challenge the OP to look into what Soros' Open Society Institute does... which I'm sure won't happen. If it's not a preconceived notion implanted by over-sensationalist media talking heads, then it's blinders-over-the-eyes time and a head buried in the sand, praying, for some reason, for the worst possible outcome.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 04:53 PM
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Soros recently wrote an essay called "New World Architecture" (www.project-syndicate.org..."), wherein he argues for a global system of government-controlled capitalism, and he cites China as an example. What China has is not Communism; quite the opposite, and Mussolini coined a term for it, "fascism", the merger of corporate and state interests.

So Soros foresees a global fascistic government, run by the social elite just as in China. This sounds much more in line with his seat on the war mongering Carlyle Group next to all the Bushes.

It is a mistake to think of any effort at global governance to be communist, though there does appear to be some overlap as there is control by a massive government under both fascism and totalitarian communism. Also, Gorbachev and others who appear communist, have long stated that the world would be transformed into a new, socialistic model as being the only means to address the global environmental crisis.

I personally believe the NWO is split between two main factions; one which wants global European-style socialism, and one which wants Chinese-style fascism. I know which one I'd choose, but I'm still rather attached to the notion of a global democracy that stresses individual rights and responsibility. But realistically, we as a people are no where near being capable of governing ourselves much less the entire planet. We have been intentionally dumbed down and our culture corrupted for so long, it would easily take another generation to get us back to where we were in the 1960s.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by Someone336
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Oh, and you have heard of the Chinese Market Reforms of 1978, haven't you?


Oh, I see...so i guess there are no "Progressives" who are rich....whowork for corporations,.... I guess there are no Socialists, and Communists who are also rich, and make deals with corporations?....

I guess you also haven't heard about the warnings given by Anatoliy Golitsyn...who "prophesised' that there would be fake "movements to destibilize Communism", but at the end this is only a trap to disarm the west....

Oh, and let's not forget that Obama is very much wanting to sign a disarmament agreement with the Russian government now....

Humm, kind of wierd that EVERYTHING that Golitsyn said would happen has happened.... I wonder why.....


As for George Soros... he is a self professed "Progressive"... and we all know how anti Socialism, and anti Communism Progressives are right?...



New Lies for Old
In 1984, Golitsyn published the book New Lies For Old,[13] wherein he predicted the collapse of the communist bloc orchestrated from above. He warned about a long-term deception strategy designed to lull the West into a false sense of security, and finally economically cripple and diplomatically isolate the United States. Among other things, Golitsyn stated:

"The 'liberalization' [in the Soviet Union] would be spectacular and impressive. Formal pronouncements might be made about a reduction in the communist party's role; its monopoly would be apparently curtailed."
"If [liberalization] should be extended to East Germany, demolition of the Berlin Wall might even be contemplated."
"The European Parliament might become an all-European socialist parliament with representation from the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. 'Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals' would turn out to be a neutral, socialist Europe."
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en.wikipedia.org...

You should read what Golitsyn has written about. Perhaps then you will see what is happening.

Let's not forget all the Socialist, i mean sorry Liberal agencies, and groups that Soros has funded, and created...

Let's not forget also that even Soros has criticized Capitalism.... I wonder why...



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by Phlynx
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Who's we? One person cannot speak for the masses.


Wow... I guess I am the only person who has ever, and for the first time spoken against the One World Socialist government..... Wow... I must be a pioneer.... Will they write about me in history books since I am a pioneer?.... The first, and only person to everwrite, or spoke against this World government the Socialist elites want....



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:30 PM
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I really wish Greece would remember it's Spartan heritage. It's Athenian democracy. They were freed slaves once.

Now they're slaves again.

They should rise up and strike down this tyrant Soros they've got more to lose from his actions right now than anyone else.

I can't believe private individuals can just kick around nation states like this it's pathetic to watch these criminals effect the lives of millions while we sit here totally helpless.



[edit on 13-4-2010 by belial259]



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross

Is Soros saying he wants this to happen, or is he merely looking at the state of the world, and making the logical prediction that this could happen?


Did you read what he said?.... He is looking for this....as in he wants this to happen....

He doesn't say "I am looking AT a significant shift in power towards China".... he says he is looking FOR a significant shift in power towards China...

Do you understand the difference?



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:35 PM
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Interesting article by Soros, thanks for that. Soros is clearly not a friend of communism nor a fellow traveler himself, regardless of what some armchair revolutionaries on ATS want to think. He is, however, a rather shady character with a rap sheet, so to speak, ten miles long.

Soros does actual that China is no longer a communist entity, but one of state capitalism - while there is state run industry there is just as much deregulation and open markets with opportunity for individual wealth. The lack of interest in maintaining the concept of the collective commune, the totalitarian politics - which, I might add, really have nothing to do with economics - and the merger of corporate and state power is indeed what Mussolini defined as fascism.

Of course, in a few minutes Captain Joe McCarthy and his Bircher Brigade are going to fly in here and tell us that fascism is the same as socialism.


I did find this quote interesting:


As China becomes a world leader, it must transform itself into a more open society that the rest of the world is willing to accept as a world leader. Military power relations being what they are, China has no alternative to peaceful, harmonious development. Indeed, the future of the world depends on it.


Soros the peacemaker?



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:36 PM
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figures, we spend so much time trying to uncover conspiracies with the US but there is no point in talking about the chinese conspiracy since everyone knows and agrees it is happening. anyone who thinks it will be better are really just setting the stage to have their grandkids go to war with the chinese, and a war with a developed china wont be a desert storm or iraqi freedom



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:40 PM
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Oh, I see...so i guess there are no "Progressives" who are rich....whowork for corporations,.... I guess there are no Socialists, and Communists who are also rich, and make deals with corporations?....


I would call those "capitalists in sheep's clothing", you know, like the Fabian Society.

The second that a 'Communist' country begins to deregulate its economy and allowing private business, I think it forfeits its 'Communist' label.


I guess you also haven't heard about the warnings given by Anatoliy Golitsyn...who "prophesised' that there would be fake "movements to destibilize Communism", but at the end this is only a trap to disarm the west....


I've read it. I'm sure the KGB is an excellent source of unbiased information, right?


Oh, and let's not forget that Obama is very much wanting to sign a disarmament agreement with the Russian government now....


Oh, you mean the post-communist Russia that embraces capitalism?


As for George Soros... he is a self professed "Progressive"... and we all know how anti Socialism, and anti Communism Progressives are right?...


I was right. You wouldn't look up the the Open Society Institute or acknowledge the anti-Communist things that Soros has done.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:42 PM
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I consider Soros a repulsive, shrivled little toad of a man, but I wouldn't call him a "leftist."

And I also think reducing this kind of debate to the sterile left-right punch-and-judy show doesn't do justice to its grim reality.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:46 PM
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You are right, and I am with you.

Unfortunately remember how only 300 Spartan men, and 700 Thespians fought against 100,000?

We are at a time when only a few are seeing what is happening, and want to stop it before it is too late... before all individual freedom is taken away by empty promises of "CHANGE"....

Let's hope, that as in the last stand of King Leonidas we can buy enough time for everyone else to wake up, realise what is happening and DEMAND for this destruction of FREEDOM to stop....



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Oh, I see...so i guess there are no "Progressives" who are rich....who work for corporations,.... I guess there are no Socialists, and Communists who are also rich, and make deals with corporations?...As for George Soros... he is a self professed "Progressive"... and we all know how anti Socialism, and anti Communism Progressives are right?... Let's not forget also that even Soros has criticized Capitalism.... I wonder why...


Brilliant work again Electric.

Apparently, some people here aren’t aware of how some will support any system as long as they can profit from it personally. For those that don’t know what Electric is talking about, please do some reading on those in Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and modern day North Korea that managed to enrich themselves within those systems.

There are always that are willing to sacrifice any number of their fellow countrymen for personal gain. There are those that have realized that once they have insinuated themselves into a government – any type of government – they can reap untold rewards.

There are always those that will endeavor, in any system, to make money off the backs of the weak. However, the worst sort are those that work within a totalitarian system. Because then the people have no means of resistance at all. Unless they have the conscience of a Schindler…and I'm guessing Soros does not.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Someone336

I would call those "capitalists in sheep's clothing", you know, like the Fabian Society.

The second that a 'Communist' country begins to deregulate its economy and allowing private business, I think it forfeits its 'Communist' label.


hahaha, right....yet another excuse to "proclaim Communism is great"...




Originally posted by Someone336
I've read it. I'm sure the KGB is an excellent source of unbiased information, right?



lol... now Anatoliy Golitsyn is still part of the KGB?.....lol oh boy...that's a good joke....



Originally posted by Someone336
Oh, you mean the post-communist Russia that embraces capitalism?


Oh, you mean the same Russian government that still doesn't allow it's people to prosper, and where the KGB is now the Russian mafia?...

You mean the same Russian government that raided the largest Human Rights building and took away every document, and file that documented the attrocities by Stalin....

You mean the same Russian government that is claiming Stalin was a hero, and he did the things he did for a good cause?...

The same Russian government that is indoctrinating it's people to once again embrace Communism?....




Originally posted by Someone336
I was right. You wouldn't look up the the Open Society Institute or acknowledge the anti-Communist things that Soros has done.


I was right...you haven't taken a look at the leftist groups Soros has founded, and even created....

BTW, i can give several examples of dictators who said one thing and did another....

Hitler for one was an anti-Capitalist, and trashed it in his speeches yet he used Capitalists to fund his war machine....



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 09:48 PM
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hahaha, right....yet another excuse to "proclaim Communism is great"...


Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I never said that. Apparently disagreeing with capitalism makes one a communist.


lol... now Anatoliy Golitsyn is still part of the KGB?.....lol oh boy...that's a good joke....


Anatoliy Golitsyn was full of nonsense and downright misinformation... he claimed that the KGB was involved in the Kennedy assassination, he claimed that Harold Wilson was secretly KGB (the plot to discredit Wilson was implemented by far-right individuals such as Brian Crozier and elements in MI5), and if I remember correctly, he was a close friend of James Jesus Angelton, a man of questionable moral fiber himself.

Please, why should we trust the words of people who dwell in a world of propaganda, deception and lies?


Oh, you mean the same Russian government that still doesn't allow it's people to prosper, and where the KGB is now the Russian mafia?...

You mean the same Russian government that raided the largest Human Rights building and took away every document, and file that documented the attrocities by Stalin....

You mean the same Russian government that is claiming Stalin was a hero, and he did the things he did for a good cause?...

The same Russian government that is indoctrinating it's people to once again embrace Communism?....


I'm confused, are we talking about economics here or human rights abuses? Because economics fall on the capitalist/communist scale, but human rights abuses fall all across it. The proofs in the pudding: Russia has deregulated markets, private business, a social hierarchy and international cooperation in economics... it's not communist.


I was right...you haven't taken a look at the leftist groups Soros has founded, and even created....


Ah, but I have. I just don't agree with your narrow-minded belief that all liberals are communists. Again, that proverbial pudding: if a man funds anti-communist groups worldwide and starts organizations to help transition former communist countries into the global capitalist markets, odds are... he's not a communist!


Hitler for one was an anti-Capitalist, and trashed it in his speeches yet he used Capitalists to fund his war machine....


Yeah, he said one thing and did another. He may have bashed capitalist in his speeches yet he supported capitalism and worked closely with capitalists to fund his war machine. How many politicians have ran on one thing and did a completely other thing? Plus, which is on trial here: Hitler's economic plans or his human rights abuses?

I'm convinced that some of you guys wish the Cold War never ended.




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