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Originally posted by PhyberDragon
reply to post by K J Gunderson
It seems to me that the entire debate hinges on the word "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN." Which presents our circular logic. That said, I just found that that by definition his father could be a citizen just for being on US soil and that even if only one parent was a US citizen then he could be born abroad and still be a "natural born citizen" Therefore, it only makes logical sense to concede my position altogether and join the Non Birther movement. I gave it a good ride but I know when I'm wrong I say I'm wrong. I was wrong. But, this hasn't been unproductive as it can be educational for others who share similiar concerns.
The source of the definitions on a "natural born citizen" -which is what the whole Birther debate IS about at it's heart- is:
Originally posted by PhyberDragon
I wasn't wrong, just missing a piece which altered my view of the entire thing and it took arguing to find it.
Originally posted by Alxandro
It's really interesting how more Obama supporters tend to come out whenever a birther thread is proven to be a [HOAX].
Originally posted by Mikemp44
Birthers!!!! Get the birthers!!!! Lets call them names, chastise them and say how we have so much proof of his eligiblity even though we never cite anything other than a simple Hawaii BC claiming he was indeed born! Wait, it doesn't specify Hawaii? Your only saying that because you are a birther!!!
I swear these idiots use circumstance as excuse, while excusing themselves for their circumstance. Why have birthers been labelled as outcasts, while the thick-headed bastards who spew venom on them do not even have ground to stand upon. Saying "show me proof" to a birther is fine, birthers would LOVE to be able to give you hard evidence and attempt to, but those on the other side who chastice them rely on one single SUSPICIOUS BC from Hawaii claiming he was born, not necessarily there mind you, and prop it up like it is the last word? It is very easy to defend a lie with a lie, but God forbid they actually find the long form certificate to end the issue.
But no, lets just divide ourselves further and keep screeming Birthers and kool-aid drinkers!!!!! HAVE WE ALL GONE MAD!?!
Originally posted by Oldnslo
Zig Brezezinski co-founded the Tri-lateral Commission with David Rockefeller and between the two of them, should have been able to produce A reasonable facsimile of BO's birth certificate, if needed, considering these guys are 2 of the most powerful men on the Earth. The resources of all of mankind at their disposal.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by jackflap
I find it strange that no one ever heard of him before he wanted to run for President.
I had heard of him before he wanted to run for President...but I live in Illinois.
I probably started hearing his name on the local news around 2002...just in passing...about this issue or that or a law he is pushing for or whatever. THen of course I started hearing a lot more of him in 2004 when he was running for Senate.
And at the 2004 DNC speech he gave I remember telling my wife specifically..."He will be the next President of the United States". It was just one of those things that popped into my head that seemed to make sense.
So just because you never heard of him...doesn't mean anything.