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posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 11:34 PM
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That being said, I believe the bible is limited by the age in which it was written. I believe many of the rituals, protocols and relationship between the clergy and laity is also a function of the relatively ignorant state of humanity during the last ecumenical council 1,300 years ago.

My vision of the new religion is based on the idea that each person is on an individual quest to reach a state of enlightenment such that they have learned enough to be able to look God in the eye and exchange a knowing smile.



I am happy to hear you have enjoyed the thread. I really have enjoyed reading and learning about what so many different members think and feel on this topic.

I honestly suspect that those arcane rituals might in fact have a lot to do with the laity unwittingly channeling energy through them to the Priestly class of the highest order, that uses it in mystical ways to manifest things it would like to see occur and perpetuate its own power.

I do love your take on religion being about an individual spiritual quest for enlightenment, and a good many other posters are sharing the same opinion as well.

I think thats a real sign that humanity is maturing and evolving, and some fresh and more individual perspectives, and the freedom and respect to exercise them would take us even further.

Thanks so much for posting.




posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 11:37 PM
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Like many things, I believe this is a case where the future will lead us to our past... like a great big circle. Or a snake eating it`s own tail. You may be right about having to start all over rather than try to fix all the different things people have added to religion. There is a major problem with pretty much all organized religions. (budhism is not a religion, at least it doesn`t have a God. would that make it more of a lifestyle rather than religion? kinda like yoga or other types of meditations?) I believe man is the cause of the problems. All these rituals and icons were created by man and the way people place such importance on these symbolic gestures and items (like a cross or the koran or a cow or confession, etc.) is tantamount to worshipping false idols or flat out blasphemy. Like the radical Muslims who declare a fatwah on the Danish cartoonist over a CARTOON. Or a Christian who say you will go to hell and get all angry if you urinate on a cross. I never read in ANY bible that crosses are supposed to be sacred. So, as you can see, people have been "making it up as they go along" through time. That`s why I don`t go to Church. Everybody has lost touch with god. Now they`re losing touch with eachother. People don`t know their neighbors anymore, so therefore they fear them. People always fear the unknown. And that fear leads to judgemental attitudes toward others, even though we all commit sins, we are only accepting of people who like the same sins we like. Yeah, I may be addicted to cigarettes which are deadly and smell accordingly but if I see a gambling addict, that person is a complete idiot in my eyes.Even if they are spending the same amount per month gambling as I do on smokes, and what they waste their money on isn`t killing them.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 11:39 PM
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So - why are you judging?

You could have just as easily said "porn" not "gay porn".

I hate to get nit-picky - - but I couldn't get past that to read the rest of your post.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 11:57 PM
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Yes, but how to unite the world so it can progress harmoniously and utilize all that tremendous energy (currently expended in differing factions and beliefs and defence of and/or opposition to) ?

What would be the unifier ?

How could people be persuaded to accept and adopt the 'new religion' theorised in the OP ?

In the past, with its much smaller world population, adherents of various religions were exhorted to 'breed for God' in the competition for souls --- and gold -- and power. It still goes on. And people are still killing and dying on behalf of their version of God

The above mentality has rendered the world a blood-soaked, insane zoo

Some have progressed far from eating, raping and killing each other. Or, maybe they were born as more spiritually evolved ?

But try as they may throughout the millenia, they've been unable to lift the rest

Do we wish to evolve ? Do we wish to unite and become stronger ? Do we wish to progress from the current state of affairs ?

If so, how might this be achieved, other than by the radical 'Break and Re-make' method which I touched upon in earlier posts ?



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by chorizo4
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This planet can't generate a new Messiah. We are left here like bugs crawling around a sewer eating each other.



I am afraid you are wrong, my friend. Messiahs are as natural as the air we breathe and the water we drink.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 03:09 AM
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What do you mean by atom tribe community, how will this work for humanity do you mean to follow the exact model and group them by the atom structure. the carbon atom structure since we are cabon based lifeforms. Individual groups within a whole, and if you cant touch without change of structure what would be the point of it. Are you saying you want to be like the amish but with technology to lead to more technology.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
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What do you mean by atom tribe community, how will this work for humanity do you mean to follow the exact model and group them by the atom structure. the carbon atom structure since we are cabon based lifeforms.

can potentially have a group of 6, but anywhere in the range of 1 to 92(uranium) is relatively stable. Around 28 (nickel) is the most cohesive, though iron 26 is more common.


the neutrons I've come to understand as representative of "tasks" though technically "neutral member".
So each proton is an active person, but requires a task or neutralizing force to remain group cohesion.
This is also verified by studies of people that live together in confined spaces.
Typically each doing their own thing.
Only coming together in a co-operative or light-hearted social way.

In studies to do with warcraft it was found that group effectiveness peaked at around 60, which is neutrons+protons in nickel.

Though studies in group conversations found that effectiveness peaked at 5-7 (which coincides with homo-sapiens short-term memory capacities). so that would be a recommended maximum per house-hold.

So it's possible some persons could be a "task" or neutral entity.
Such as (pre-pubescent, under 12 or 13) children which are more likely to be more willing to do what they are told,
rather than commit actions they thought up.



It's important to note there are minimums for the amount of volume in a room.
If you're building a house or boat where you might be confined indoors for prolonged periods of time, it's good to have a minimum of 17m^3 per person.
history.nasa.gov...
So when a confined person says "I need space" give them some.
Building a new hut is usually easy enough, especially when a community effort,
minimum recommended dimensions of 3m long 4m wide 2m high, per person or room.
Though rooms where people only spend short periods of times can of course be smaller.




Individual groups within a whole, and if you cant touch without change of structure what would be the point of it. Are you saying you want to be like the amish but with technology to lead to more technology.

There are some similarities, like community cohesion, and sense of belonging.

Though you'd want to have a significant amount of room between each atom-nucleus or residential area.

and each atom could have an independent belief-system which suits the atom-occupants best.

and yes the self-replicating fab labs allow for "technology that makes more technology".
if the atom-tribe reaches a large number, or radio-active isotope, or simply there is some disagreement about future direction,
there can be a split.
Just as a cell splits to reproduce,
half the resources go into each cell.
each having a copy of "the plans", a fab lab, and initial forest garden.
Naturally initial set up of new community will be aided by whole community,
just as we help our children at least till they can feed and provide for themselves.

"the plans" include how-to documents, histories, belief-systems, are the DNA of the atom-tribe.
which it's recommended to store on ceramic or some other sturdy tiles/disks for longevity.
I've got a presentation on it www.scribd.com...

the self-replicating fab-lab technology while there are bits and pieces of it everywhere,
it might take some time and experimentation before being able to make all products from dirt, in a simple and concise self-replicating fab-lab package.
en.wikipedia.org...

another difference from the amish is seedball forest gardening.
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
this minimizes the amount of time and effort that goes into food production,
so there is much time for other things, like making products, relaxation an having fun.

Remember that traditional hunter-gatherer societies only work 3-4 hours on average to meet their needs, the rest being free time.


If you maintain a large forest-garden you can probably decrease that time.
Remember to have at least 10m*10m or 100m^2 per person of forest-garden. That's if full year growing season, if less then adjust accordingly 200m^2 for half-year growing season.


So to conclude, atom-tribe includes people, forest-garden, fab-lab, and plans.


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posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 07:51 AM
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The new religion/faith you speak of PT will be the oldest. The faith built on hubris that has allowed men to rule comfortably over others for millenniums. The new canons will be written much the same as the old, based on our human limitations and those of our technologies. No matter how much we know or learn it will continue to be but a spoonful of the mountainous mysteries of the universe.

This new shared faith will be that there is no god. Not much of a surprise for some. And with that global disclosure will come an edict that will continue the status quo into the new age. The controllers will divulge that they have historically fed us the faith we've needed and will continue to do so with themselves now openly as gods as repulsive as that now tastes. They are already in the initial stages of disclosure. They are bringing down the RCC (their own fabrication) and they are introducing governmented morality. It is all around us.

This is the very secret protected within the Vatican library all these centuries. Like the Roman Caesars, they will soon attempt to lord openly over all people as living gods. Your new universal faith. Your New World Order.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 08:03 AM
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Maybe this one .... The Peyote Way Church of God ... they said that Holy Sacrament Peyote can lead an individual toward a more spiritual life

The Peyote Way Church of God is a non-sectarian, multicultural, experiential, Peyotist organization located in southeastern Arizona, in the remote Aravaipa wilderness. Church membership is open to all races. They encourage individuals to create their own rituals as they become acquainted with the great mystery. They believe that the Holy Sacrament Peyote, when taken according to our sacramental procedure and combined with a holistic lifestyle (see Word of Wisdom), can lead an individual toward a more spiritual life. Read morre + video



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 09:00 AM
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The world of the mystic and philosopher.

God is not external but present in all things.

The whole universe is one vast organism.

The heart of God at the center

Nous,

Plotinus refers to the Intelligence as God (theos).
the link between man and God, the lowers side desires a body so it creates it,
the soul always leaves something of itself above.

Are we a creators thoughts, or dreams made manifest?

From the worlds soul proceeds the souls of men

Have souls forgotten their divine origin because they were so delighted with their liberty and surroundings, that they ran away as far as possible from their source,

So we are never satisfied with the lowers state, always striving but never finding satisfaction with this state we unconsciously yearn for the source in the material things of this world, because we have forgotten our first place.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 09:20 AM
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Zarp333




That being said, I believe the bible is limited by the age in which it was written.


And it says so itself,

From Revelations 5

And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.

"Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals;


And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

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posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
The world of the mystic and philosopher.

God is not external but present in all things.

The whole universe is one vast organism.

yes




The heart of God at the center

sometimes called the "grand central sun".



Nous,

Plotinus refers to the Intelligence as God (theos).

Thiaoobans

Theo is a popular name amongst them




the soul always leaves something of itself above.

yes can verify from Michael Newtons books "Destiny of Souls".
Empirical witness accounts of hypnotically regressed patients.




Are we a creators thoughts, or dreams made manifest?

both

creation begets creation.




From the worlds soul proceeds the souls of men

we all started as nothing




Have souls forgotten their divine origin because they were so delighted with their liberty and surroundings, that they ran away as far as possible from their source,

er, souls are quite aware of many things.

perhaps it's belief systems that don't include things,
typically not in any way enhancing the freedom of it's peoples.




So we are never satisfied with the lowers state, always striving but never finding satisfaction with this state we unconsciously yearn for the source in the material things of this world, because we have forgotten our first place.


quite possibly.

zen meditation tranquility can help you relax.
allow your chakras rest.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 04:27 PM
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Intresting but what abouth cohesion for the ones being added to the group. And the ones wanting to leave the group, It will cause friction especially with human emotion involved, the only way I can see this to work is 1. the fab lab are really high performance bordaring on nanotech 2. The indeviduals are of a like mind like the amish, wich is rare in humanity. 3. Unless all other atom tribes are of a similar mind, there will be war on other atom tribes, and again humanity is to diverse for stability for long periods. I mean look at cristianity, muslims, and judaism  they are all worshipping the same god, they just call it by different names, and they dont get along very well. And 4. If this succeeds over long periods of time the comunitys will become bland, even gray in nature sort of say, how will diversity be astablished so as to not break apart the atom tribes, but also to not be boring/bland



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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Oh man a new religion well whatever the new religion is shouldn't be to strict I have trouble following the other ones that are already in place. For instance have you heard of the new one with this mexican dude named jesus and his twelve homies.
joking for those that dident get it. The only laws I would put in place is dont take it to seriously religion is just a livestyle that groups in the past implemented for control, and coherency, of a group. Belive whatever you want as long as it does not cause to many problems with another group. the second law should be beware those that would try to use all those gullible enough to never question the things that people dead thousands of years ago implemented. religion is like a beacon on a hill for those wanting control, religious people are easy to control. And third a comedian already said it 'hats optional'.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 05:00 PM
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PT, I always love your threads! SnF.

I consider myself a modern version of a Deist. Our Founding Fathers were Deists, and most practicing Christians in the US fall into that category, although they don't realize or admit it.

Take away Semantics, and Idology, and the Quest to control real estate and relics, and then what do we have from the World's religions? We have a pretty good, and pretty uniform way of living our lives harmoniously with one another and nature!

If we stop looking to name our God, and we stop looking to symbolize it in any way, and we stop trying to gain some sort of supernatural power to control destiny through relics, then we have a whole bunch of pretty good religions! They actually work quite harmoniously together once they learn to accept one another.

What is the difference between Enlightenment and Heaven? What is the difference between a Spirt Guide and an Angel?

Why does anybody believe there will be "Streets of Gold" or "Virgins" waiting in Heaven? As an omnipotent and immortal creature, why would we want or need such things? What good would they do?

Scripture and Lore and Myth and Legend all characterize a way to live, and a way to support our communities and our brethren, but they should never have been taken literally? Some power hungry community organizer decided to take the spoken and written word and turn it into "Law" and that is where we started going wrong!

So, is there One God, or Many? Doesn't matter, that is a human question, not a Godly one. Is a person one living thing, or are we billions of living cells working in unison to create one physical representation? Hmm? Am I 1 person, or am I many systems of living cells? If I can't define myself, how do I hope to define a God?

So is any one of the written words correct? Yes. They all are. Or at least they were at some point, and then they got revised and bastardized and used as tools instead of guidelines.

The New World Religion, will be true Religious Freedom! It will be a way to enjoy the Realm of God without giving it a form or a name or a reason. It will encompass the logic of Atheists with the Zeal of fanatics. It will illustrate the need to recognize our mother earth (Gaia) as part of the living structure that we all comprise. It will allow the frank and honest reading of Gilgamesh, and the Old Testament, and the New Testament, and the Rig Veda, and the Quran, and the Lost Teachings of the Mayan's and the Native Americans, and it will recognize Buddha as the first Human to understand the meaning of it all and "transcend" our human thought. It will strip away all the reasons to bicker and fight about religion, because a true practitioner can realize that we are all correct, and that our limiting factor is language, and custom, and tradition.

I pray that one day, we can read the religious texts of the world, and we can understand their purpose, and their message, and it won't matter which one we read, or what we call the God, and we won't need a picture, or a description, or a statue. We can walk out the door, inhale the fresh air, wonder at the sky and the clouds, and we can be thankful that we have the opportunity to experience for ourselves and share it with our families, and when we meet a like member of the human race, we will embrace them as part of ourselves, and a representation of a living God, and we will Love them.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 05:16 PM
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Some great answers my friend, and I loved the Founders ideal of a Nature’s God. Specifically Nature itself as a God, the Sun, the Moon, the Stars, the Trees, the Rocks, the Mountains, the Sea, the Birds and the Bees, some might say that is kind of Druid like in its premise.

But I do love the idea of us learning to respect and live in harmony with nature. I know the temptation through science coupled with the fact that Nature can be a cruel and fickle Mistress at times, compels us at times to want to outsmart Nature, but honestly, I don’t think we ever will.

Science can explain a lot of Nature’s mysteries, and even try to duplicate some of what Nature does, but I don’t think it can have ever, Nature’s over all grand scheme of things wisdom, where so many different elements and varied things are all in essence designed to enhance and support the other.

Science will never likely come up with that formula though it might learn to mimic a lot of what Nature does, but I do worry, that in the process, it’s going to unbalance Nature’s grand scheme and we all might suffer for that.

I like the idea of an unnamed Nature’s God or Gods and people rediscovering the value of living in harmony with it, instead of simply trying to master it.

Great post my friend, thanks for contributing.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
[I find ATS members more than any else find this to be a true statement.
Mark my words, the next "BIG" event in history will involve organized religion, and political elements, particularly the UN.
With independent organized religion getting wiped out worldwide.


I doubt they will crack down on it from above. Too messy, too blunt, too "in your face." Suppression brings a springback reaction; could get uglier.

Easier to let it decline and collapse of its own weight and perceived irrelevance. Easier to let it fade into oblivion, like a gently rotting stately mannor that is stately and noble for a long time until the rot becomes so advanced that one day its just another moss-overgrown lump of nothing in a new forest of more youthful ideas. This process is already well underway. A whimper, not a bang.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 05:32 PM
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Alright PT, making my return here. My apologies if anyone else commented on my material between pages 3 and now. I'm still catching up on the thread, and I'll respond if needed as I come across all the messages.

~ Scribe

 



There is a certain cognitive propensity by many people here on ATS to formulate ‘Fact’ based on politicized schools of thought that sometimes are totally oblivious to the multi-leveled complexities of some issues.


I can understand this, and agree that it is a problem here. My personal definition of a fact is something that has empirical evidence present in our Universe, which can be collected, collaborated, tested, and then re-tested again and again until everyone can be satisfied that it will react the same way, or cause the same reactions to occur.

Like Gravity. I consider gravity to be a fact (hence the law of gravity) thing. But I also agree that much in the realm of spirituality, religion and philosophy must remain in the realm of theory. I prefer it that way though, because I will never agree that one particular philosophy or religion is "right" and all others are "wrong".


In many ways what is being displayed by those people who develop shared selective perspectives then considered to be fact because they are validated by like minded contemporaries and peers, is essentially what we see in the adherence to Religious Books, and Books of Personalities, put forth by Personalities.


Yes, it is. And my views on the shared collective of religious experiences, vs. the shared collective of familial experiences can be found here. I consider it to be just as dangerous of an avenue as it can be rewarding. Cults and con-artists exist in multitude in the spiritual and religious fields. It's dangerous to trust a shared experience until the "group leader" explains his or her goal for uniting these people under a common experience.

Religion works the same way. What is the Pope or the Czar or the High Priest's true goal? It should be made public long before the group is formed.


Yet ultimately for any of us to get our points across we have to enunciate them in a language our chosen audience understands and in a style and manner that they find engrossing.


Language is, and always has been, to my experience, a reflection of concepts and experiences. Words exist to identify in human understanding things which are ultimately inhuman. Such is the realm of the mystic, the spiritualist, and the philosopher. It makes absolute sense than that the use of linguistics would be so vital towards the goals of those who explore these realms. Myself included.


It’s about the only way to get them to reconsider and renew the retrospection, introspection process that most need to undergo to start to perceive things on different levels, beyond the one dimensional and often deceiving surface.


In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God. Or, going to the Babylonians, the gods Tiamat, Anu, Quingu and Maduk all in turn possessed the "word" or "table of fate"; an object which allowed them to decree existence into however many mythical, mystic and metaphysical levels that they wished.

It is only through use of the word that we may be introduced to the experiences which will ultimately change our perceptions of reality and existence.


It’s a shame that truth alone doesn’t always work, but if the act is one committed with honest intent, and purpose, some would argue it’s worth the effort.


I would be one such person.


Actually what inspired me to author this thread, is a fellow member confided earlier today that they were committing some of my posts to paper for safekeeping and posterity in case for some reason the Internet or Freedom of the Internet was lost...


I would have to agree with this unnamed member. Much of what you have said in this thread alone, if this thread reflects all your threads, is well worth being recorded, looked over and studied.


How many of us might share on a similar core level and not even know it, simply for a lack of communication?


I think we are all capable of making human-nature into something feasible and constructive. It just requires that we learn to think, and start to think on as many levels as we can handle.


We as a species are communicating more and more, but it’s a lot of talking at people, and not always listening...

...We are more and more living in a world where people’s voices are not really being heard and definitely not being listened too...

I really do believe we all might be able to create a critical mass if we can just stop all the shouting and arguing, and start really talking and listening.

...Maybe it’s just wishful thinking and dreaming, but what could such efforts truly harm?


I think you've succeeded, and possibly over-succeeded on this account. This thread is full of discussion, listening, commenting and general discussion about everything under the sun.


I am of the humble opinion we need to upgrade the quality of our questions and quality of our answers and discussions so that we do feed each others minds.


I'll be the first to admit that going to bed the other night after our late night discussion left me with a .ache, ha ha. So many ideas and concepts floating around, everything I took in from all the commentators was massive. It was a great feeling to have though, knowing I was pushing my concepts of understanding and experience so far.

I hadn't had a moment like that in a long time. I really felt good the next morning.


In my humble opinion the more we feed our minds, the more positive, and helpful information is going to get out there into circulation into the pool, and maybe even create some gooses that lay some golden eggs of knowledge instead of just emotional rants and tirades.


Geese mate, geese. Ha ha. Nah, just jokin' round.

I agree though, we need to think, and in thinking, push our intellectual boundaries further and further. It must happen, it's essential to human intellectual evolution.


Thanks for really participating on that golden level!


Any time.

~ Scribe



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 06:04 PM
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Thanks my friend, for taking the time to check back in, and to peruse and enjoy all the terrific answers so many thoughtful posters have been sharing.

You were truly instrumental in paving the way with a lot of truly thought provoking and wonderful insights and philosophies of your own.

It just takes a few people to set those kinds of examples and level of excellence, and before you know it, it creates a small flood of others, inspired to that same lofty level, and we sure have seen that in this thread.

I scarcely dared to dream so many members would be so kind as to share their thoughts on for what too many is a highly personal subject.

One thing that has really impressed me is without an exception everyone has been so respectful of one another, even when discussing each others philosophies across a pretty expansive divide at times, when it comes to perspective, doctrine, ritual and over all belief.

It makes me wonder if it is our leaders more than anyone both political and religious ones, that stir up the divisive hornets nest, that sometimes leads to the intolerance of others, and their beliefs.

I think the one thing that just about everyone can agree on so far posting to the thread, that no matter how diverse the other poster’s views and outlooks are, there is nothing particularly threatening about them.

I feel personally that in so many ways that what leads to xenophobia is simply a lack of information on the part of the person who becomes prejudiced and biased against another person’s religious philosophies, rituals and ways of life.

That if given a true opportunity to know what they really are, without the distortions, and stereotyping that they for certain might not want to adopt such a path or religious doctrine themselves, but could see, that someone else practicing it and believing in it truly represents no harm.

It’s funny in fact, all my life, I have been non-religious, bordering on anti-religious, but nonetheless respectful of other people’s religious beliefs, I have friends who are Christians and Jews, Muslims and Hindus, and those into New Age religions, and even known a few Satanists and occultists in my days, (the life of a rock musician brings you into contact with a very broad spectrum of people) and truthfully no one has ever tried to convert me, or pressure me in anyway to become religious, and join their religion or congregation. Hopefully this is not a body odor related issue, but the truth is, I think its more than enough for just about everyone to simply know that you respect their desire to be religious and their choice of religion.

I feel it is that fear, that others really do wish people to convert at all costs, but in reality a lot of times, it’s also their personal fears at time, that if they don’t convert the other person, the other person is going to try to convert them. So much of that though is just not really knowing the real truth of what the other person’s religion really means and really means to them.

So it was real exciting to see people get a chance to share insights and snippets of their beliefs, so every one can broaden their understanding of others and their perspectives, and as you yourself did, then take the time to absorb, not so much what it might mean to you, but what it might really mean to them, and perhaps even come to the realization along the way, that with a little patience and education, and a desire to learn of one another, we could in fact all get along quite splendidly, and retain our own beliefs and perspectives without fear of persecution or conversion.

Wouldn’t it be something some day if the world broke out in peace, and not war, merely as a result of people taking the time to learn of one another, and realizing that there is just nothing really to fear?

I think we all deep down, really just want to live our lives as we see fit, and for everyone else to give us the respect and latitude to make that possible.

Call me a dreamer, but I think we all can, but it all starts with everyone sharing and communicating,

Thanks for blazing that trail my friend, another excellent and thoughtful post for all to enjoy, thanks for sharing it.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 06:10 PM
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I was wondering about the question about how would our new world religion look like.
Maybe we don`t need a new world religion. Maybe its been there all the time, in ancient times and future times.
I don`t like the word religion. Our past tells us . that the human race used religion, (no matter wich)to conquer, to torture, to manipulate, to kill individuals and societies. I also know religion has done good things to our world.

But do we really need a god , or gods to guide us in our life. Are god`s rules not just a way to create a working society. So that leads me to a question. Are politics not doing the same thing? Creating rules that create a society.
Maybe we have to give the word "god" another meaning? Do we need to connect god and religion together?

Maybe what we are looking for is that perfect world. And there are so many perfect worlds as there are people. Every individual has is own believe of his perfect world. That leads me to another question. Is there nothing that brings us, all living beings, together? That connect us to each other? Thats is universal?
And the only thing that i can come up with is. Good and evil. Not right or wrong. But just the basic meaning of Good and evil. Do we not all now deep in our hearts whats evil or good? There are no written rules about it. But still people manage to do evil or good things beyond imagination. Nobody dictate you to do those things. Just a personal choice.
Good and evil was ,is and wil always be around.

Maybe we concentrate on the wrong thing on creating a new world order . And create another god with new rules.
Why not making a choice and find the word god in good?



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