Cause for the Rapture?

UPDATED:

Hi everyone

I was just listening to Coast to Coast's April 7th broadcast with George Noory interviewing Xenethon who is the author of Journey to Truth: A Guide to Metaphysical Evolution. In part 6, he discusses how the Earth's poles are moving towards each other & when they meet, they'll immediately repel causing the Earth to stop moving for a period of time thus resulting in a loss of gravity. Now, I haven't listened to the rest of the show yet, so I hope my theory is original & I have never seen this topic discussed on ATS before. So, forgive me if this has been mentioned already.

What if, when the Earth loses its gravitational field & people begin floating towards the sky, is this what is meant by the rapture? Also, if some previously buried bodies became disturbed during the upheaval, this would also explain why the dead would rise.

Here's a link to the part of the show where he mentions the loss of gravity:
www.youtube.com.../u/40/FI3hdvlQcGg

I'm going to finish listening to the show. If he mentions this as indicative of the rapture, or a caller points this out, I'll be sure to update this thread.

How does everyone else view this theory? Am I way off base, or could this scientifically explain the rapture?

Congrats to Townio! You were correct about the mass of the Earth causing or pertaining to gravity

Thanks to everyone who entertained my theory. I know now that it doesn't hold any water.

To those of you who wanted to give me a Bible lesson, you missed the point of my thread completely. I was searching for a SCIENTIFIC reason to explain why the rapture might happen. But I appreciate your participation in the thread anyways.

So, the mass of the Earth controls the gravitational pull. I learned something new today & will sleep well tonight.
I'll also rest assured that I'm not going to float off the Earth since it most likely won't stop spinning anyways even if the poles were to reverse suddenly.

[edit on 10-4-2010 by Afterthought]

[edit on 10-4-2010 by Afterthought]

What makes this guy think that the poles are moving together?

Maybe a comet or meteor hits the Earth and causes fire and death. Those that were chosen by the heavens sail away free in spaceships.

reply to post by Afterthought


Well that is a strange theory, but let me try to set you straight about
the Rapture. No one on earth knows WHEN this will occur. What happens
at that time is, when Jesus appears in the clouds to believing Christians,
and they are raptured, or "snatched" away to join him in Heaven.
All of the believers in Christ who are dead in their graves will ascend
first. Then the living believers in Christ will ascend next. This is when
Jesus comes for his bride, or church, or saints. It means the same.
When the Rapture happens, millions and millions, possibly hundreds of
millions of people will instantly disappear from the face of the earth.

There won't be any doubt as to when it actually happens. Try to imagine
all of the airplane pilots who are Christians instantly disappearing.
Thousands of aircraft will crash and burn and will take to their death all
who are not believers. Trains will wreck, boats and ships will wreck,
and just imagine millions of people being gone in a flash that are driving
down the highways and interstates. There will the most horrific things
happening all at once. If you are a believer in Christ and have Jesus as
your savior and salvation, then don't worry, you will disappear in the
blink of an eye with the rest of the believers.

The ones left on earth are obviously those who have not yet accepted
Christ as their savior. Many millions of people will instantly put their faith
in Christ. Untold millions won't because they just will not accept the fact
that the Rapture really happened. They will blame all of the people
disappearing on some sort of UFO and Alien thing along with a hundred
other false beliefs.

The people who are left on the earth after the Rapture will start living in
what is called the Tribulation period. It is seven years long. During that
time, there will calamaties on the earth not seen since Biblical times.
This will be the time that the Antichrist will appear and start taking over
the planet. People will fall on their knees worshipping this monster. He is
the one that will require you to have the mark of the beast in order for
you to survive through the seven year Tribulation. Without the mark, you
will not be able to buy or sell anything. If you take the mark of the beast,
it is totally irreversible. Once you take the mark, you can never change
your mind and say, "ok, now I am going to change my mind and ask Jesus
to come into my life and save me." Too late !!

If you are not raptured, then you will have to decide on what you are
going to do from then on. Will you ask Christ to save you, or will you ask
the beast (antichrist) to provide for you? Either way is a ticket to eternity.
One is an eternity in Heaven and the other is an eternity in Hell. There
are only two choices with no in-between.

I hope I have answered some of your questions. If you have more, fire
away and I will try to help you in any way I can.

In addition, the poles moving together or the earth flipping on its axis
or the reverse of the poles have nothing to do with the Rapture. These
types of things may very well happen at some time on earth, but you
won't be raptured or disappear because of losing gravity for a short time.
That is the hardest part of your question to deal with. What is everyone to
do? Are we to walk around tethered to something constantly so we don't
all float away?


[edit on 10-4-2010 by endtimer]

I don't know anything about the rapture so I'm probably of bad advice but I am sure that there will not be any loss of gravitational field as long as earth keeps its mass. There will be no floating or earth would lose its orbit, it is not possible.

From what I understand, the concept of rapture is a common religious delusion which leads people of one faith to believe that God favors them over other irrational religions. God will take them before killing all the unbelievers.

You should take all that stuff with a pinch (or a handful) of salt as they say.

Question, in the bible it states that we wont know the "hour" of his return. It doesnt mention year or day as when but it says we wont know the hour.. does hour refer as a simple basic time-frame word or do we take it more literally and add in 100 other idea's and theory's ?

The words of the bible are english but you cant read it and understand the meaning always. Many stories are teaching lessons and are ment to teach and not be taken literally but in our day and age it is hard to do so.

Reading the ats alien/ufo/nibiru/ theory stuff makes me want to take it literally but the common sense tells me its simply words from that time-frame.

reply to post by townio


You can call it all dilusional if you wish. I am sure you will be one of those
that are left with your mouth gaping wide open in disbelief as to what is
happening on the earth at the time of the Rapture.

And God does not prefer one person over another. God loves all people
in the same way. God gave all of us something called free will. You can
either believe in the Christ or not. It is YOUR choice and no one else's
whether you believe or not. God doesn't want anyone to end up in Hell.
But again it is all free will and free choice. And one other thing, any
believer can end up in Heaven. It hasn't anything to do with what church
you go to. It's not like: Ok, all Catholics over here, all Lutherans have to
hang out over here, all Baptists are restricted to this area, all Methodists
have to congregate over there. All Christians who are truly believers will
end up in the same heaven, all together, all at once. No more tears, worry,
pain, sickness. No more racist garbage, colors won't mean a thing. No
more argument over which church is better, blah, blah, blah.

But, unfortunately, people like you who call it all dilusional won't ever get
the chance to find out about an eternity with the father. Only an eternity
with Satan and the rest of his ilk. But, you have a choice also, so don't
dispair. Just make the right choice. Go ahead and start the name calling,
and tell me the Bible is a fairy tale and there is no Rapture or Tribulation
or eternities at one place or the other. That is all good with me, because
I have already made my choice and it isn't to be what's served at the
giant BBQ in the depths of earth.

reply to post by Xagathorn


That's a good question. What it means in the Bible when it refers to
"hour" is speaking in terms of time. It's true, NO ONE knows when that
year, month, week, day, or hour will be. It says in the Bible that the
Angels in heaven, not even the Son himself (Jesus) knows when that
time will be. God will give the order for Christ to come and Rapture his
saints. And one other thing for you to understand is Christ will be seen
by ONLY the people who are being raptured. This is when Jesus takes
his followers up to Heaven. After the seven year Tribulation time is when
Jesus makes his second coming. Everyone left on earth at the end of the
seven year period will see the Lord. That is when Jesus will start his
millenial or 1,000 year reign on earth.

When the Rapture happens, it will be instantaneous, and Christ will only
appear for a second or so. That is not the second coming.

I have no need for name calling. You are free to believe what you want to believe and to make assumptions about things I haven't said.

Listen to yourself:
You tell me that for not believing in God I will spend eternity in hell, while any murderer who believes in God will be accepted into heaven.

reply to post by townio


A murderer CAN be accepted into Heaven. All persons are sinners. We
are all born into sin. Any violation of the Ten Commandments can be
erased. It is called asking for forgiveness of one's sins. A murderer can
indeed be forgiven if he/she asks for Christ to come into their heart and
ask for their sins to be wiped clean.

And yes, you are the one that called Religion dilusional. Is that not
painting something with what you believe in? And then you expect me to
believe what you post as to being dilusional? Splain please !

And I am not the one that coined the term "spending an eternity in Hell
or Heaven". That was thought of and written long before I was even a
twinkle in my daddy's eye. That is written in the Bible. I didn't have
anything to do with writing it. I only believe what is written. You can
believe in the tooth fairy if you wish.

I'm born again but I don't support the rature thoery because if you do you have to upport IsraHELL

reply to post by Afterthought


I think that the rapture is the moment of death; it is not a global event that will take place and transport everyone to a mother ship or a pole shift and gravity imbalance.

Of course I would not mind either of those two scenarios I posted as off the cuff examples as the first one would allow me to ride in a massive mother ship and ask a million questions. The second scenario would allow me to get blind drunk and watch the end of the world while I flap my arms and legs, pretending to fly.

However, death is in all likely hood the rapture and having been right on the edge of death and perceived things I probably should not have perceived then I would say that we will all get to taste the rapture but unfortunately we will get to taste it alone and at best surround by those we love – at worst by those we do not love.

Some of us will see it tomorrow and others decades from now either from natural means or from face-planting an of control truck for example that just came barrelling in out of nowhere.

To summarise: I think the cause of rapture is death, the passport being a flood of reality exorcising chemicals that inundates the brain in times of great stress, and that is not a bad thing because a cause of death generally tends to be rather painful.



[edit on 10-4-2010 by SmokeJaguar67]

Originally posted by Xagathorn
Question, in the bible it states that we wont know the "hour" of his return. It doesnt mention year or day as when but it says we wont know the hour.. does hour refer as a simple basic time-frame word or do we take it more literally and add in 100 other idea's and theory's ?

The words of the bible are english but you cant read it and understand the meaning always. Many stories are teaching lessons and are ment to teach and not be taken literally but in our day and age it is hard to do so.

Reading the ats alien/ufo/nibiru/ theory stuff makes me want to take it literally but the common sense tells me its simply words from that time-frame.

According to Matthew 24 (which contains the passage about not knowing the hour in Verse 36), we can't predict the specific hour (whether a literal 60 minutes or "an hour", as in a period of time).

However, Verses 1-31 list some pretty specific thing that must happen first (which goes against the teaching of some that Jesus can return at any moment). Those who teach that Jesus will return before "The Great Tribulation" either ignore these verses or say they apply to the events in 70 AD (both of which have to really bend some principles of Biblical interpretation).

I think we are somewhere between Verse 7 and Verse 9. Verse 9 applies to some parts of the world, but not the whole world yet. Some of those expecting a "pre-tribulation rapture" will be shocked when Verse 9 happens. Maybe they are the reason for Verse 10. Some teachers believe the people in Verse 10 will be people just pretending to be Christians, but they could also be Christians who become disillusioned by the rapture not happening when they were told.

If you are a skeptic about the validity of Scripture (or just my interpretation), look at Verse 15. It references several prophesies from Daniel that must take place for Verse 15 to happen: A powerful leader will make a 7 year peace treaty with Israel allowing the Temple to be rebuilt. Verse 15 describes the treaty being violated in a shocking manner. When you see Israel sign a 7 year treaty, I hope you remember to reread Matthew 24 and the book of Daniel.

I still think that they got Rapture mixed up with Rupture

reply to post by endtimer


This world is too complex for humans to figure out if God is true or not.
God judges your deeds and your soul but you don't have to be part of any religion to have a pure heart.
I say listen to the man who says rapture happens after you die, it is the ancient traditional belief and would make more sense.

reply to post by endtimer


Understand I place no credence in your religious handbook, however:

Ezekiel 18:4 God said, "Behold all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die"

John 3:4. "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law"

There are others. They clearly show that "sin" is individual and unique to a soul. No inheritance, no born with sin.

To "cherry pick" your own guidebook, as many (if not all) sects do, surely invites disaster no ?

reply to post by Noncompatible


Since you place no credence in my "religious handbook", just what
is your point if any? Why do you even bother to respond?

Amd as far as the passage you alluded to, God did indeed say all souls
are his, the soul of the father, meaning a human father on earth, and
the soul of the son of that father is also the Lords. And the soul that
sinneth is the person that does not accept the saving grace of God and
his son Jesus. That soul will die, meaning there will be eternity in Hell
and not in Heaven. That is what is meant by dying. Living is to accept
Christ and have an eternity in Heaven.

And for John 3:4, it simply means that one who does not abide by the
10 Cammandments (the law) has transgressed those laws. Pretty simple.

And yes, sin IS individual and unique to everyone's soul. And you are
incorrect about not being born into sin. Everyone is born that way,
and it is up to the individual to have their sins washed away by accepting
Christ into their lives. It is clearly stated in the Bible, and spoken by Jesus
that the only way is through him, and no other way will get you into
Heaven no matter how you cut it or slice it.

I didn't author any of this. There are millions of people that study the
Bible constantly, it is their entire life, and this is how it is interpreted
by probably 95 % of them.

And to claim that I am "cherry picking" is total nonsense. I don't cherry
pick anything. I can only quote a little of the Bible to anyone. But I know
what it means to be saved and have Christ as my salvation and Savior
and take comfort in knowing I will have that eternity in Heaven because
I have asked the Lord to forgive me of my sins and have repented of my
old ways that were sinful. It is really a simple process for anyone to do,
and I have chosen that path. Whatever you choose is totally up to you.
Only you know for sure what you believe in and that is fine with me.

Peace to you !!

endtimer don't forget:

With the measure you judge others, God will judge you.

Many of the first will be last, and the last will be first.

reply to post by BellaMente


And you just judged me by saying what you did. What is your point?
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You can judge me all you want, but I didn't judge you at all.

I felt inspired to share those words of God and I acted on that inspiration.