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We didnt bail out Lehman, they failed brother.
t is efficient because no matter how you hedge yourself or play it there is better than a 8 out of 10 chance you will either wind up exactly even or lose. Factor in your retail latency and make it 9 out of 10.
Liquidated.
Ever seen a crazy move in SP 500 Futures at the end of the day?
Well classic arbitrage is taking advantage of key fundamental or technical inconsistencies. The more and more participants in the market the more and more that edge diminishes.
Efficiency = Time / Number of Participants
Not all of it was covered.
Some of their assets, like their headquarters, was auctioned off.
Most everything else related to the company is now worthless -- including any/all equity you might have. And, I believe, any securities they might have which were worth something, but couldn't be sold (for whatever reason) were loaned to the fed in exchange for liquidity to help them collapse in an orderly fashion.
Originally posted by GreenBicMan
reply to post by Edrick
We didnt bail out Lehman, they failed brother.
Originally posted by Kaytagg
reply to post by sourdiesel
It also says "To borrow money on the credit of the United States."
So, lets pretend that the fed is private, and lending out money at interest to the US. That's still perfectly legal.
In reality, though, the fed isn't private, however it is run independent of the executive branch (afaik). Meaning, Obama can't walk over to the Fed and dictate monetary policy. He and the congress can, however, i believe, impeach the head of the fed, if they want.
Any extra money the fed makes goes back to the treasury, so it's not like they're collecting taxes and giving it to themselves.
The whole idea that some private banker owns the fed, and is lending money to the US, then collecting it all back + extra and keeping it for himself is completely ridiculous.
So, lets pretend that the fed is private, and lending out money at interest to the US. That's still perfectly legal.
Who owns the Federal Reserve
The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.
As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government."
The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.
"From the beginning the Federal Reserve of the United States had a peculiar status. Although created by legislation in 1913, it is technically owned by its member banks which appoint 72 of its 108 regional bank directors, who in turn select the regional bank presidents, (subject to approval by the Board of Governors in Washington), who in turn participate in framing monetary policy. The seven Governors are appointed by the President of the United States, subject to confirmation by Senate, for 14 year non renewable terms, with the chairman appointed for a renewable four year term. Originally the Secretary of the Treasury and the Comptroller of the Currency, both public officials, sat as ex officio members of the Board of Governors, but that provision was eliminated in 1934 the Federal Reserve thus remains a curious hybrid, a privately owned, quasi-public institution, whose sole function is central banking (including bank regulation and supervision)."
Today, the Federal Reserve's responsibilities fall into four general areas:
* conducting the nation's monetary policy by influencing money and credit conditions in the economy in pursuit of full employment and stable prices
* supervising and regulating banking institutions to ensure the safety and soundness of the nation's banking and financial system and to protect the credit rights of consumers
* maintaining the stability of the financial system and containing systemic risk that may arise in financial markets
* providing certain financial services to the U.S. government, to the public, to financial institutions, and to foreign official institutions, including playing a major role in operating the nation's payments systems
The whole idea that some private banker owns the fed, and is lending money to the US, then collecting it all back + extra and keeping it for himself is completely ridiculous.
Federal Reserve Act
Section 10. Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
1. Appointment and Qualification of Members
The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (hereinafter referred to as the "Board") shall be composed of seven members, to be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, after the date of enactment of the Banking Act of 1935, for terms of fourteen years except as hereinafter provided, but each appointive member of the Federal Reserve Board in office on such date shall continue to serve as a member of the Board until February 1, 1936, and the Secretary of the Treasury and the Comptroller of the Currency shall continue to serve as members of the Board until February 1, 1936. In selecting the members of the Board, not more than one of whom shall be selected from any one Federal Reserve district, the President shall have due regard to a fair representation of the financial, agricultural, industrial, and commercial interests, and geographical divisions of the country. The members of the Board shall devote their entire time to the business of the Board and shall each receive an annual salary of $15,000, payable monthly, together with actual necessary traveling expenses.
[12 USC 241. As amended by acts of June 3, 1922 (42 Stat. 620); Aug. 23, 1935 (49 Stat. 704). Prior to the enactment of the Banking Act of 1935, approved Aug. 23, 1935, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System was known as the Federal Reserve Board. See note to the third paragraph of section 1. The portion of this paragraph dealing with salaries of Board members has in effect been amended numerous times, most recently by Executive Order. Prior to the act of December 27, 2000, section 1002 of which revised the executive schedule, the salary of the chairman of the Board was set at executive schedule level 2 and the salary of other members at level 3. The salary of the chairman of the Board is now set at executive schedule level I, and the salary of other members at level II (see 2 USC 358 and 5 USC 5313 and 5314).]
The term "monetary policy" refers to the actions undertaken by a central bank, such as the Federal Reserve, to influence the availability and cost of money and credit to help promote national economic goals. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 gave the Federal Reserve responsibility for setting monetary policy.
The Federal Reserve controls the three tools of monetary policy--open market operations, the discount rate, reserve requirements. The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System is responsible for the discount rate and reserve requirements, and the Federal Open Market Committee is responsible for open market operations. Using the three tools, the Federal Reserve influences the demand for, and supply of, balances that depository institutions hold at Federal Reserve Banks and in this way alters the federal funds rate. The federal funds rate is the interest rate at which depository institutions lend balances at the Federal Reserve to other depository institutions overnight.
Changes in the federal funds rate trigger a chain of events that affect other short-term interest rates, foreign exchange rates, long-term interest rates, the amount of money and credit, and, ultimately, a range of economic variables, including employment, output, and prices of goods and services.
The federal funds rate is the interest rate at which depository institutions lend balances at the Federal Reserve to other depository institutions overnight.
Changes in the federal funds rate trigger a chain of events that affect other short-term interest rates, foreign exchange rates, long-term interest rates, the amount of money and credit, and, ultimately, a range of economic variables, including employment, output, and prices of goods and services.
The chief of the bipartisan National Monetary Commission was financial expert and Senate Republican leader Nelson Aldrich. Aldrich set up two commissions—one to study the American monetary system in depth and the other, headed by Aldrich himself, to study the European central-banking systems and report on them.[21] Aldrich went to Europe opposed to centralized banking, but after viewing Germany's monetary system he came away believing that a centralized bank was better than the government-issued bond system that he had previously supported.
Centralized banking was met with much opposition from politicians. Critics were suspicious of a central bank, and charged that Aldrich was biased due to his close ties to wealthy bankers such as J.P. Morgan and his daughter's husband John D. Rockefeller, Jr. Aldrich fought for a private bank with little government influence, but conceded that the public sector should be represented on the Board of Directors. Most Republicans favored the Aldrich Plan,[26] but it lacked enough support in Congress to pass because rural and western states viewed it as favoring the "eastern establishment."[5] In contrast, progressive Democrats favored a reserve system owned and operated by the government; they believed that public ownership of the US's central bank would end Wall Street's control of the American currency supply.[26] Conservative Democrats fought for a privately owned, yet decentralized, reserve system, which would still be free of Wall Street's control.[26]
The Federal Reserve Act passed Congress in late 1913[27][28] on a mostly partisan basis, with most Democrats voting "yea" and most Republicans voting "nay."[29] The final Act most closely resembled the Aldrich plan, but more control was given to the public sector.[5][29]
Some Founding Fathers were strongly opposed to the formation of a central banking system; the fact that England tried to place the colonies under the monetary control of the Bank of England was seen by many as the 'last straw' of English oppression and that it led directly to the American Revolutionary War. Other Founding Fathers were strongly in favor of a central bank. Robert Morris, as Superintendent of Finance, helped to open the Bank of North America in 1782, and has been accordingly called by Thomas Goddard "the father of the system of credit, and paper circulation, in the United States." As ratification in early 1781 of the Articles of Confederation & Perpetual Union had extended to Congress the sovereign power to emit bills of credit, it passed later that year an ordinance to incorporate a privately subscribed national bank following in the footsteps of the Bank of England. However, it was thwarted in fulfilling its intended role as a nationwide central bank due to objections of "alarming foreign influence and fictitious credit," favoritism to foreigners and unfair competition against less corrupt state banks issuing their own notes, such that Pennsylvania's legislature repealed its charter to operate within the Commonwealth in 1785.
In 1791, a former aide to Morris, Alexander Hamilton, the Secretary of the Treasury, made a deal to support the transfer of the capital from Philadelphia to the banks of the Potomac in exchange for southern support for his Bank project. As a result, the First Bank of the United States (1791-1811) was chartered by Congress in that same year. The First Bank of the United States was modeled after the Bank of England and differed in many ways from today's central banks. For example, it was partly owned by foreigners, who shared in its profits. Also, it wasn't solely responsible for the country's supply of bank notes. It was responsible for only 20% of the currency supply; state banks accounted for the rest. Several founding fathers bitterly opposed the Bank. Thomas Jefferson saw it as an engine for speculation, financial manipulation, and corruption.
After a five-year interval, the federal government chartered its successor, the Second Bank of the United States (1816-1836). It was basically a copy of the First Bank, with branches across the country. Andrew Jackson, who became president in 1828, denounced it as an engine of corruption that benefited his enemies. His destruction of the bank was a major political issue in the 1830s and shaped the Second Party System, as Democrats in the states opposed banks and Whigs supported them.
The Bank War is the name given to the controversy over the Second Bank of the United States and the attempts to destroy it by then-president Andrew Jackson. At that time, it was the only nationwide bank and, along with its president Nicholas Biddle, exerted tremendous influence over the nation's financial system. Jackson viewed the Second Bank of the United States as a monopoly since it was a private institution managed by a board of directors, and in 1832 he vetoed the renewal of its charter.
The main motivation for the third central banking system came from the Panic of 1907, which renewed demands for banking and currency reform.[19] During the last quarter of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century the United States economy went through a series of financial panics.[20] According to proponents of the Federal Reserve System and many economists, the previous national banking system had two main weaknesses: an "inelastic" currency, and a lack of liquidity.[20] The following year Congress enacted the Aldrich-Vreeland Act, which provided for an emergency currency and established the National Monetary Commission to study banking and currency reform.[21] The American public believed that the Federal Reserve System would bring about financial stability, so that a panic like the one in 1907 could never happen again; but just twenty-two years later in 1929, the stock market crashed again, and the United States entered the worst depression in its history, the Great Depression. Some economists including Milton Friedman,[22] Thorstein Veblen,[23] Ben Bernanke,[24] Robert Latham Owen, John Kenneth Galbraith and Murray Rothbard[25] believe that the Federal Reserve System helped to cause the Great Depression.
The brilliance of Friedman and Schwartz's work on the Great Depression is not simply the texture of the discussion or the coherence of the point of view. Their work was among the first to use history to address seriously the issues of cause and effect in a complex economic system, the problem of identification. Perhaps no single one of their "natural experiments" alone is convincing; but together, and enhanced by the subsequent research of dozens of scholars, they make a powerful case indeed.
For practical central bankers, among which I now count myself, Friedman and Schwartz's analysis leaves many lessons. What I take from their work is the idea that monetary forces, particularly if unleashed in a destabilizing direction, can be extremely powerful. The best thing that central bankers can do for the world is to avoid such crises by providing the economy with, in Milton Friedman's words, a "stable monetary background"--for example as reflected in low and stable inflation.
Let me end my talk by abusing slightly my status as an official representative of the Federal Reserve. I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression. You're right, we did it. We're very sorry. But thanks to you, we won't do it again.