Am I just seeing things?

reply to post by Subjective Truth


You can look at my posts...I'm no longer focusing on HCR...I do post occasionally when more mis-information comes up...like the HCB will be null and void if the reconciliation bill didn't pass (which it did today). I guess I shouldn't of said "stopped", I should of said "stopped focusing on".

My question has not changed...back up your claim...post some examples.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Subjective Truth

 

And that's all it is, is an opinion. You have provided no proof, you have demanded silence on the arguments you use being applied to your own side, and have, in general, acted pretty silly.

Feel free to have your opinion; Just don't expect others to take it as fact.

I don't you can make up your mind. Just like I can. But I hope the other side remembers one thing form this it can be used against you to. The worm could turn. And I hope when it does I have the strength to stand up for right and wrong even though it could hurt my side. This is true character.

Originally posted by Signals
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

S.T. (or any member) can't get into singling out particular members or posts...it's against T & C...and you know this. We wouldn't want to get him into trouble would we

Fine...don't single out a user...single out a thread and a page where he see's a user he thinks is doing this. We will do the rest...shouldn't be hard to find users who registered close to the day of their post and see if their comments are "scripted".

Posting a link to a thread isn't against the T&C.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Subjective Truth

 

You can look at my posts...I'm no longer focusing on HCR...I do post occasionally when more mis-information comes up...like the HCB will be null and void if the reconciliation bill didn't pass (which it did today). I guess I shouldn't of said "stopped", I should of said "stopped focusing on".

My question has not changed...back up your claim...post some examples.

Nice cover.BUSTED. Hmm I wonder who much I value your opinion now. After busting you in a lie trying to derail my thread. The answer is 0%

reply to post by Subjective Truth

Nice cover.BUSTED. Hmm I wonder who much I value your opinion now. After busting you in a lie trying to derail my thread. The answer is 0%

Busted for what...mis-wording my statement???

I'm not lying about anything...I'm not focusing on HCR anymore.

You however are continuing to dodge my question.

I'm not trying to derail your thread...I'm asking you for proof of your claim. I can see how someone who doesn't rely on facts to form their opinions could see this as derailing...but it truly isn't.

Show some examples...of threads and page numbers...I'll do the rest.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by Signals
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

S.T. (or any member) can't get into singling out particular members or posts...it's against T & C...and you know this. We wouldn't want to get him into trouble would we

Fine...don't single out a user...single out a thread and a page where he see's a user he thinks is doing this. We will do the rest...shouldn't be hard to find users who registered close to the day of their post and see if their comments are "scripted".

Posting a link to a thread isn't against the T&C.

I am sorry but I am not going to respond to you.You have proven yourself a liar and I would rather save my arguments for members I have the slightest bit if respect for not the one's I have non for.



We dont need to argee but we should try and not lie. This is the last return post you will get from me.



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I am sorry but I am not going to respond to you.You have proven yourself a liar and I would rather save my arguments for members I have the slightest bit if respect for not the one's I have non for.



We dont need to argee but we should try and not lie. This is the last return post you will get from me.

Translation: I don't have any proof for my claims so I will just ignore you.

It's not that I am surprised...it is actually pretty funny and very predictable.

I would ask you to PROVE how I lied...but I know you would just dodge that question too.

And just to make it very very clear for all of you that find it so very hard to understand I am not going to single out anyone. It is against the rules for a reason and I actually see and agree with the reason.



This is a personal opinion and I made it by posting almost everyday in the threads. I was there and you probably know me. I am also still here and will be 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years from now God willing.



I think they are using ATS and other chat sights to use a propaganda machine used to sway the hearts of America and the world. I could be wrong but what if I am right.



You may stand on the side you think has won this time but the next time might be different. That is why I said both sides use it. And in reality the lines they draw between us are only for control. They have no lines dividing them.

Link to another relevant thread on ATS with a link


Just doing a bit of housework for the OP

reply to post by Cytokine_Strom


Thank you and please read this thread. It shows intent. Sometimes what you believe is a lie and then you need to re evaluate or get lost covering up for what you know is the truth. Listen to your heart it will set you straight.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth

Originally posted by skunknuts
More non-sense. The vast majority (unlike the around 50/50 in the REAL America based on polster wording) ATS was always vastly anti-HCR. I believe this helps to reinforce the size of the anti-group in the minds of those with that pre-existing mindset.

Furthermore, I see it as FAR more likely that paid trolls would constitute the anti-HCR side. It is in the health insurance-pharma-dme industrial complex's monetary interest to push opinion.

Best,
Skunknuts

Listen I post in these threads everyday and I have seen it with my own eyes. New poster who just landed on ATS that day speaking the virtues of socialised health care.


And it seem to me that you have let your personal truth blind you. Like I said to the other poster you pro-heath care progressive crowd change your morals like you do your underwear. And even the simplest of truth are clouded by your agenda.


And just to clarify you do realise the so called complex is in on it. Why do you think they did not put a huge fight at the end? Follow the money it will lead you to the truth and don't let your hate blind you to that fact.

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Just would like some elaboration so that I can better understand your slanders:

What is it that you think I hate?

How have my morals changed? (This I particularly would like an answer to, as this very point irks me the most about the teashirt movement).

What is meant by my 'personal truth' blinding me?

What is my agenda? What is yours?

Yes, Obama did try to include and preserve 'the complex.' Admitting that, can you see how absolutely absurd it is to use terms like 'government take over' and 'socialism/communism/nazism? Do you see the contradiction? The logical incompatibility?

Best,
Skunknuts

Originally posted by skunknuts

Originally posted by Subjective Truth

Originally posted by skunknuts
More non-sense. The vast majority (unlike the around 50/50 in the REAL America based on polster wording) ATS was always vastly anti-HCR. I believe this helps to reinforce the size of the anti-group in the minds of those with that pre-existing mindset.

Furthermore, I see it as FAR more likely that paid trolls would constitute the anti-HCR side. It is in the health insurance-pharma-dme industrial complex's monetary interest to push opinion.

Best,
Skunknuts

Listen I post in these threads everyday and I have seen it with my own eyes. New poster who just landed on ATS that day speaking the virtues of socialised health care.


And it seem to me that you have let your personal truth blind you. Like I said to the other poster you pro-heath care progressive crowd change your morals like you do your underwear. And even the simplest of truth are clouded by your agenda.


And just to clarify you do realise the so called complex is in on it. Why do you think they did not put a huge fight at the end? Follow the money it will lead you to the truth and don't let your hate blind you to that fact.

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Just would like some elaboration so that I can better understand your slanders:

What is it that you think I hate?

How have my morals changed? (This I particularly would like an answer to, as this very point irks me the most about the teashirt movement).

What is meant by my 'personal truth' blinding me?

What is my agenda? What is yours?

Yes, Obama did try to include and preserve 'the complex.' Admitting that, can you see how absolutely absurd it is to use terms like 'government take over' and 'socialism/communism/nazism? Do you see the contradiction? The logical incompatibility?

Best,
Skunknuts

It is hard to argue with logic like this but I will try.


Morals like underwear= what is good one day doesn't not hold up the next. like war the patriot act and even health care I bet if Bush had wanted it the other side would have fought every step. This is the game they make us play and in reality it is just that a game.


I judge you by your words and you also judge me by mine. And I truly think the sky may be a different color in your sky then mine. I look at things is a simple way you dont.




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Originally posted by Damian-007

I'd love it if they had a record of people that were so against these reforms. They wouldn't take the Taxes from them to Pay the Mandatory Bill. Then a person on this list requires Urgent Medical Treatment and get's Denied because they Don't have the funds to cover it. How good would that be?

This statement really spins me into another dimension of pissed off.

First, you go off saying how EVERYONE should have health care. Then you follow up with what I quoted from above. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Second, you do realize it is against the law deny care to someone with life threatening injuries? Illegals, homeless people, people without health care, they all get treatment regardless.

I have seen this as well when it comes to many topics, the flu problem is where I really started to see gremlins roaming about. There are 2 posters in this thread now I have never seen present anything other than discontent and misinformation about projects, bills, and agendas.

Swine flu was not the start but it is where I started to notice, then intertwined into HCR, and now the "Hatriot", anti-civil, pro big government posters, trying to alienate and demonify people who consider themselves informed prepared civilians.

I hate to think that this is what is going to be expected from now, we have had thread after thread of people trying to bring about the fact this is a conspiracy website and the constant hate mongering from these mid 09 joined members is doing no one any good.

I try my best to follow the codes of operation this website has placed forth by making every post count, limiting my ideas, not haranguing the subject by posing back and forth, and not devaluing the name of members. Maybe if I posted like every angry or well played disinfo junky, ignorant gent with ill placed morals, or spammer, my ideas would seep out further into this community, but I see it never doing any good; and I am sure if I had posted like that over the past year and a half I would still be no further along than when I started.

Now I see all these troll members making every post they can to unravel the real caring members nerves, and I know my decision to stay on the back end of the community was the right one. What need do I have in life with all this crazy stuff going on that we all know is going on, do I have to sit and argue with those who are paid to anger us...

To answer the question; I fully agree with the OPs presentation, I wish there is more I could do to support him, but I will probably do what I have done which is just PM people and talk about what I think is going on.... Works so much better than arguing with fools and subversives.

Well considering that posts on ATS are making it into reports I guess I was not just seeing things. ATS is full of Agents and I bet some of them even post just to get a reaction.


We need to see the truth it is right in front of us.

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