reply to post by ucalien
You, my friend, are an absolutel hoot.
Comparing texts from the Ayurveda scriptures with the translations of Zecharia Sitchin, we can see a very strong similarity between the
Sumerian gods and the Hindu gods.
There are no 'Ayurvedic scriptures'. Ayurveda, for your information, is the traditional medicine of South
. We practise it in my country too. There are Ayurvedic treatises - not scriptures - which deal with medical and sometimes philosophical
matters, but they are not religious texts. You mean the Vedas
, the founding texts of Hinduism; though as
far as I know (I've only read the Rig-Veda
) they don't describe the modern Hindu pantheon but contain references to the old Aryan deities:
Brahma, Agni, Indra and the rest. No Shiva, no Kali, no Ganesh.
Five points docked for making a kindergarten mistake - getting 'Ayurveda' and 'Veda' mixed up. And you lose another ten points for dishonestly
pretending to have read things you haven't. Or will you admit to just having parroted something you read on a web site somewhere without even
bothering to check if it was true? In that case you only lose a further five points. But I'm going to stop counting points now, because your score in
this thread was always going to be a big fat zero.
Take, for example, your astonishing contributions to Sanskrit etymology:
The meaning of the word "Ayurveda" itself, already give us a clue about them: Ayur means "life" and Veda means "science."
More correctly, 'life knowledge', meaning medicine.
The ancient Hindu "gods", the so called "Vedas", were scientists, actually. Bearers of high advanced knowledge about material
sciences and occult sciences.
In what Hindu scripture did you find this? The Zacharaiah Sutra
? The Stichin Veda
? A veda
isn't a god, it's a book!
The Vedas (Sanskrit वेद véda, "knowledge") are a large body of texts originating in ancient India.
The ancient, implacable Vedas of the East, eh?
And what about this?
The word "Aryan" seems to come from the combination "Ayur", life + "An", sky, space. "Those who live in the
space". Later this word became a general label to define the descendants of the crossbreeding between the Anunnaki and the humans of that
- Arya (*ārya-), Old Indic and Old Iranian word from which 'Aryan' (:=Indo-Iranian) derives;
- Indo-Iranian, 'pertaining to (speakers of) Indo-Iranian languages'.
So: people who live in the north, not in the sky. Aryans are not from space.]
And now for my favourite...
Notice the painting above, some kind of festival where ancient Hindus are worshiping giant humanoids. Notice a discoid UFO above the scene.
Also note the elderly men in modern dress (including one in spectacles) clustered to both sides of the picture, who look to me like members of some
Indian political party. Certainly the painter has been careful to represent their faces, so they are real-life notables of some kind. The painting is
modern, late twentieth century by the look of it, probably after 1990 to judge by the style and especially the tasteless colours - Indian printers
didn't have access to cheap Far Eastern inks before the economy opened up in 1991. And it's definitely South, not North Indian.
'Ancient Hindus' eh?
You know, your ignorance and willingness to steal and twist other people's cultural property to serve your own foolish ends is quite insulting. I am
South Asian, and have many Hindu friends. I wonder how they would feel if they were to see your ignorant, blasphemous rewriting of their
Shame on you.
Your posts are such rubbish it's hardly worth going on, but for the sake of denying ignorance...
Inanna's personality totally matches with the Goddess Kali and it's just weird that in some artistic depictions or sculptures of Kali, her
face is just identical to Sumerians steles.
Which Kali personality would that be? Dakshinkali, Kali Amman or Mahakali? All three are different. And there are other interpretations and aspects of
Which of these images looks most like a Sumerian stele to you?
Here are a few more images of Kali
. As you see, she has many aspects. Any matches with
Not content with kicking the poor Hindus about, you then go to work on the Afghans. Here we come to a real prize blunder, a typical result of
blethering away without having the faintest idea what one is talking about:
Notice the pic above, a descendant from the original Aryan ethnic group, caught in Afghanistan. The modern dark skinned Hindu ethnic group, seems to
be result of crossbreeding with Mesopotamian and African groups.
An Afghan is 'a descendent of the original Aryan ethnic group?' Do you know how many ethnic groups have passed through between the Oxus and the
Hindu Kush, leaving their seed behind them? Without breaking a sweat I can think of Alexander the Great's legions (which included soldiers from all
over the Mediterranean world, and plenty of Mesoptomians too
), the Indian armies of Emperor Ashoka, the hordes of Timur the Lame (Tamurlane), the
Mughals (who were, originally, Mongols), the British and the Russians. And there were more - Kushans, Ghaznids, Sassanids. After all that lot have
been and gone, how could you possibly describe the young woman in the picture as more or less Aryan than any other inhabitant of Eurasia?
Then it's back to knocking the Hindus again - Shaivaite ones this time, though I don't suppose you even know the difference.
Above, Lord Ganesha, the humanoid god with an elephant like head. Another creation of Enki's genetic engineering???
In Hindu mythology, Ganesh is Shiva's elder son. He was born with a human head. While his father was away fighting the asuras
, Ganesh grew up
into a handsome young man - or god, rather. When Shiva returned from the wars he entered his wife Parvati's bedroom and saw this handsome hunk asleep
in her bed. Unaware that the hunk in question was his own son, Shiva in divine rage decapitated the lad. Later, when he learnt what he had done, he
swore to Parvati that he would replace the head with that of the first being he came across and restore Ganesh to life. Perhaps unfortunately for Lord
Ganesh, the first being he met was an elephant.
Thus, Ganesh was a creation of your 'Enlil', not of your 'Enki'. You fail again.
I could pick a thousand more holes in your grubby little loincloth of speculation (did you not think there was anyone on ATS who knew a little
Hinduism? FYI, we have numerous members from India) but it's hardly worth the trouble when it's such obvious piffle as this:
He's the one that destroyed the "three cities of Asura demons", that totally looks like Sodom, Gomorrah and the Babel Tower.
On what basis are you making this assumption? Three cities, therefore they must be Sodom, Gomorrah and Babel? Cripes.
In your second post you equate Petra and Ellora and suggest that they both had something to do with Mesopotamian gods. You post a picture of the
Treasury at Petra, which was build around 100BC. The caves at Ellora were constructed between 400AD and 900AD - practically yesterday compared with
the Sumerian civilization, which flourished around five thousand years
ago. No wait, of course! They had time machines! Why didn't I think of
that? (More to the point, why didn't you?)
Your 'Vimana' diagrams are not from any any ancient Hindu source, but from a modern artist's imagination. Can't you tell?
The Baalbeck and Roman temple friezes are of classical Greek origin and have no connection with Mesopotamian architecture (what we know of it, which
is not much) and none whatever with the Hindu swastika.
Whether there were ever Aryans or not, it is a fact that civilization began in the fertile crescent and spread from there across Eurasia. Myths,
religious emblems and artistic styles spread from one place to another with trade, colonization and conquest. There are Chinese jars that show the
influence of Hellenistic art. No doubt all cultures extant today owe a debt to Sumer, which foreran them all.
All the ancient pantheons resembled one another more or less closely because their 'gods' were based on the same human needs, desires, fears and
activities. These correspondences are easily explained by common sense and a little historical and cultural insight; there is no need to invoke alien
genetic engineers to explain them.
In my years on ATS, I don't think I've ever come across a load of tripe so lazily researched, so recklessly ignorant and so unthinkingly offensive
to people of another culture. Did I say you fail? I'll say it again.