Homosexuality is a choice and nothing else!, page 1

If homosexuality is a choice, when does one choose to be heterosexual?

I’m of the school of thought that homosexuality is a natural means to control population. (Forget eugenics, bring on the gays!) This type of behavior has been observed throughout the entire animal kingdom: en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 25-3-2010 by Hazystars]

[edit on 25-3-2010 by Hazystars]

reply to post by ModernAcademia

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S&F for having the courage to say it.

The problem I always have with people who claim homosexuality is genetic is; how is the gay gene passed down if gays aren't interested in the type of sex that results in children?

It seems to me that if there was a gay gene, it would have gone the way of the dodo centuries ago. How does a gene get passed along which results in the infertility of the person who has the gene?

reply to post by ModernAcademia

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It is not a "free choice" type of thing. It is NOT a mutation.

Let me try to phrase it in a way a straight person will understand.

Example: Ten straight men. Of those ten, two are most sexually aroused ONLY by a woman's buttocks. The other eight straight men are boob-lovers.

So...are the two Butt-lovers mutants?

Let's make it more difficult....some men whip their heads around at just about any redheaded woman. Other men turn away, completely uninterested.

All of these examples are superficial, I realize...BUT that is how we are wired, sexually. It goes a long way back, in our evolutionary history. In fact, ALL animals select sex partners by purely superficial means, at first. Note the displays in the anilm al world, and courting rituals, etc.

Humans (and likely other animals, higher level animals as well) have a capacity to go beyond mere exterior appearances, and can form bonds, and love deeply regardless of looks or "attractiveness" --- which also brings up ANOTHER point. ultural differences, even within Human populations, can dictate standards of what's considered "attractive".

For instance, a few hundred years ago, or so, in Western society, plump women were favored over slender ones.

So...on a purely physical, sexual arousal and stimulation level, it is just a fact that there are men who are aroused by other men, and ONLY other men. And, same for some women.

There are far, far more Humans out there who engage in bisexual behavior than most people realize. That aspect might encompass a certain level of "choice" (or just reflect a very horny, over-sexed insatiable appetite).

In any case, I find your OP a bit offensive, at first glance. Hope you merely wished to get attention, and flags, and decided to stir things a little to see what happened.

reply to post by ModernAcademia

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I agree and disagree with you on different levels. Is it a choice? Yes. Is it a conscious choice? I don't really think so. Not to deduce it down to simplicity but in gist, I'd say the main factors of those that go homosexual tend to stem back towards relationships with their parents. Such as say for a male homosexual, he most likely has had problems with his father whether the father being abusive or not there, still a similar outcome, just as to if a mother babies the son too much I think it can lead to homosexual tendancies because they will pick up the femaniness (sp?) from the mother as well as seek the love they didn't quite get from the father figure - then mixed with the hormones and the subconscious mind it gets distorted towards seeking intimate love with a member of the same sex. Of course I'm sure theres many other little facets that factor into it, but at the same time I believe if an individual were to seek the cause of the problem, rather than solely addressing the symptoms - there would be progress. Peace

reply to post by FortAnthem

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The problem I always have with people who claim homosexuality is genetic is; how is the gay gene passed down if gays aren't interested in the type of sex that results in children?

Because there are still heterosexuals around? Simple.

Oh and there are homosexuals in animals. Why are they still around?

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reply to post by ModernAcademia

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I do not think it is a choice as I remember developing a very strong crush on a boy in my high school class when I was about thirteen or fourteen and let me tell you I did not want to feel that flood of emotion. Therefore I doubt it was by choice that I daydreamed about him day in and day out, hoping to catch sight of him in the street and so on and so forth. I even got into listening to the Kinks because he liked listening to them – ye gads.

I have to surmise that homosexuality is something other than choice and just like the attraction between man and woman the attraction between man and man, woman and woman is equally as mysterious to explain and may never be explained because love is not explainable.

I think it may be more a connection from mind to mind that ignites something deeper within us because that was how it felt with me when I thought as a teenage boy I was in love with another teenage boy and I could think of nothing else but being in his company.

Let’s keep this to ourselves though – I am a happily married man these days (to a woman)

reply to post by FortAnthem

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How does a gene get passed along which results in the infertility of the person who has the gene?

Huh?

Where did "infertility" come into this?

I suspect my little swimmers would happily infect ---er, I mean, impregnate an ovum if they ever got near one.

Lots of men who are gay have children...through hetero sex. Lots.

The only genes that will be 'selected' out of a population during many generations of the animal are those that result in some deliterious effect, and threatens the viability of the species.

Homosexuality could be a natural means of population control capping.

Oh, and I may have been wrong about the 'mutation' aspect. That word has a poor connotation, and is not well understood (mostly from influences of old B Hollywood monster movies and such...)

Actually, our genome is mutating quite often, in a longer view. All species are. It's called "adaptation"....in biology and genetics studies.

reply to post by SlapBassist531

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I'd say the main factors of those that go homosexual tend to stem back towards relationships with their parents. Such as say for a male homosexual, he most likely has had problems with his father whether the father being abusive or not there, still a similar outcome, just as to if a mother babies the son too much I think it can lead to homosexual tendancies because they will pick up the femaniness...

Nope. Wrong, this was the thinking back in the dark ages! (The 1950s, I believe).

I had NO problems with my father, he never hit me, never abused me, barely ever raised his voice (even when I scratched my name on the dashboard of his new car...hey, I was maybe three?)

My mother? DEFINATELY not the "babying" type...she was the sort who'd throw you into the pool and shout "Swim!"

reply to post by ModernAcademia

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You're OP is just purely baiting.... go and do some research instead of clogging up the boards with your bollocks.



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Originally posted by blupblup
reply to post by ModernAcademia

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You're OP is just purely baiting.... go and do some research instead of clogging up the boards with your bollocks.



[edit on 25/3/10 by blupblup]

How about showing some manners and civility? Not only are you rude and offensive to the OP, but you can't even use a reasoned and sensible argument to contribute to the discussion.

You aren't immature are you? You do have a higher reasoning centre that can process complex thought patterns?

Add to the discussion, use reason and logic to close the discussion, or shut up!

It's childish comments like yours that detract from threads, and make you look stupid.

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