Is Censorship, Feminism etc just plain old jealousy.

We know feminist complain about any woman in a porno, or portrayed in some ad as sexy eg,
www.news.com.au...

Censors stop a lot of porn movies, claiming the old think of the children.

Does this all come from jealousy?
I mean, do feminist complain about men because they can't get a man, or about sexy girls in ads because they aren't good looking enough themselves to be the girl in the sexy add?
Do censors complain about porn/sex because they can't get any?

I do not know, does really it all boil down to simple old jealousy, or even just, the old I'm not gettig any, so you won't either. I not having fun so no one can?

Any thoughts anyone.



[edit on 26-3-2010 by acrux]

Briefly - no, as a man myself, I don't think it's about that at all. Perhaps it might have more to do with hundreds of years of oppression by men, things like the right to vote, work etc being denied to women and only relatively recently being given.

en.wikipedia.org...

The wiki link above is a general overview, there are more specific articles available there on different facets of the history there. The history of feminism might be a better place to start.

en.wikipedia.org...

There is still a massive disparity in male/female rights and roles, look at the military, look at most high level jobs and the demographic there.

I'm going to come out and say it, but I think OP is a blatant troll, the jealousy argument is one that might be leveled by a very unenlightened, sexist bigot - I suggest this thread is just to garner 10+ pages of needless arguing.

Perhaps try reading this link too

en.wikipedia.org...

I know it's wiki and a little lazy, but I don't think the OP justifies much effort.

I would say jealousy probably does come into it, as my wife feels very strongly about women's rights, but quite enjoys watching porn together. She simply thinks that if the woman in the porn choses to do that for a living, it's her choice and she's probably getting paid very well for doing it. She actually thinks that porn stars are empowering themselves, by controling their own bodies and earning a tonne of cash doing it!

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Would you like your mother to star in a porn film?

Would you like your daughter to marry a man who tells her "shut your dam mouth" every time she speaks?

If your answer is NO... is this because of Jealousy or because of another factor?

If your answer is yes... you better go and get some help

I don't get the original post and the link supplied....

The story at the link is titled...
Feminists say hospital's breast cancer campaign is sexist

And the feminists complaints seem valid...

The Gazeta Wyborcza says the slogan "I check the breasts of my workers on my own" was devised by a cancer hospital in the southern town of Opole and aimed at convincing employers to encourage their female workers to have their breasts checked regularly for cancer symptoms.

"This is a sexist slogan that obviously brings sexual molestation to mind," the head of the Feminoteka foundation, Joanna Piotrowska, was quoted on the website as saying.

I think most women would take offence to an ad saying that their boss should check their employees breasts.

So having got that off my own chest.....

I dont think womens complaints about ads or porn is do with jealousy at all.
If it wasn't for the commercial watchdogs we'd have all sorts of inappropriate stuff on TV commercials for young ones to see.
The advertising industry as a whole have no morals and do whatever to sell
a product. Hence why they need to have some checks and balances IMO





[edit on 25-3-2010 by Flighty]

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My daughter is staying virginal forever! She's waiting untill she's 35 years old, getting married to an impotant man and sleeping in seperate rooms... maybe even houses!

Ya see, what i want and what I get are very different things. No, I wouldn't want my daughter to be a porn star, but then again, it's not my choice is it? I also wouldn't want her to be a prison guard, a refuse collector, sewage worker or any number of less that perfect jobs, but it will be her choice at the end of the day, not mine. She has her own mind (even now at 2 years ld, so God help me trying to tell her what to do as an adult). She may make mistakes, but part of equal rights for the sexes, is taking equal responsibility for your decisions.

[edit on 25-3-2010 by nik1halo]

Feminism maybe some of it----Censorship is mainly about control and the flow of information to help or hurt your side. The Canadians are not jealous of Ann Coulter they first off don't like what she has to say and second they fear it will spread is a good example. Fear leads to many bad things including hate. If you don't agree with something don't listen.



And just for the record I hate her. I truly hate her but I respect her right to speak even if I agree with very little of it. Many take there morals and make them fit on a case by case bases this is weak of mind.

I consider my self pro female, and it is because I love myself, and embrace the power and strength only a female can provide.

If jealousy is involved in the issue, I am quite confident it comes from the MALE being jealous of our unique strengths.

Originally posted by nik1halo
reply to post by Muckster

 

My daughter is staying virginal forever! She's waiting untill she's 35 years old, getting married to an impotant man and sleeping in seperate rooms... maybe even houses!

Ya see, what i want and what I get are very different things. No, I wouldn't want my daughter to be a porn star, but then again, it's not my choice is it? I also wouldn't want her to be a prison guard, a refuse collector, sewage worker or any number of less that perfect jobs, but it will be her choice at the end of the day, not mine. She has her own mind (even now at 2 years ld, so God help me trying to tell her what to do as an adult). She may make mistakes, but part of equal rights for the sexes, is taking equal responsibility for your decisions.

[edit on 25-3-2010 by nik1halo]

LOL i was expecting this response

I think you missed my point... The OP is asking “is not liking porn merely jealousy”... I am arguing that, although there may be some who are jealous of the physical attributes of porn stars, it is not the main reason!

There are all sorts of moral, ethical, spiritual and legal arguments against porn!!! Not this simplistic view "people who hate porn are just fat lesbians who cant get a man"

And the same with feminism... like most ism's, it can be taken to the extreme (which is not good) but its origins were valid and noble.

Before judging other peoples reasons for not liking porn, i wanted to place the OP in a scenario that would suddenly make them not like porn... and then ask why! To think of it as merely jealousy is simplifying a complex issue in my opinion!




[edit on 25-3-2010 by Muckster]

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Oh, right, i get ya now mate.

Yeah, i agree. As I said earlier, I think jealousy does come into it in some cases, but as I also said, not all feminist hate porn.

The issue is a little too complicated to be summed up in the simplistic manner of the OP.

Pornography, in my opinion, degrades all involved: the participants and those who sit there drooling and masturbating -- or who grab the nearest body to sate their artifial lust -- or who sate that lust on their own children -- spouse -- the Avon woman who just happened to knock at that moment -- or a blow up doll

To me, there could be nothing more pathetic than one or more adults watching other adults engaging in simulated sex and perversion

Pron reduces humans to the level of bonobos

How many children are conceived each hour because of porn ? Would you like to learn you're here on this earth simply because one or both of your parents had become aroused after watching pornography ?

The Italians have a saying: ' Walk with cripples and you learn to limp '. Some will understand its relevance within this discussion. Others will grasp the insideous effect of porn upon society and will know it is intentional, deliberate

If a man (or woman) needs porn to become sexually stimulated, rather than genuinely desire the sexual partner, then the relationship is fake, a fraud, is worthless, is debased

I would be revolted, repulsed, if I were approached by someone fuelled by pornography

Many people watch pornography and then use their partner's body as a mere receptacle -- the way they'd use a handful of tissues or go to the toilet to relieve a full bladder. I guess there are those who don't mind being used as a receptacle for second-hand lust, but imo, they and those who use them are a travesty of humanity --- they're refuse, have no self-respect and no respect for others

For example, I wouldn't do business with someone who watched porn. I've walked out on business lunches when fat, middle-aged, low-brow, valueless morons began telling filthy jokes about women (is it mere coincidence that most of the jokes are about women ?)

As for 'soft porn' i.e., gratuitious use of the female body to sell product -- what is it saying ? Of course, there are the masturbatory-types who would never understand and don't care. They're the lowest common denominator and are the targets of such advertising -- they're one step up (debatable in itself) from bonobos

What sort of attitude do such advertisements encourage ? Well, I know a man almost in his 70s who (as result of 'cheesecake' advertisements, stippers, etc.,) who believes, actually believes that women were put on this planet to service him, to arouse him, to be subject to his scrutiny and choice. He watches 'Miss Universe' type shows and presumes to sit there in the role of 'consumer'. He behaves as if he's an art expert and even assumes a haughty voice and demeanor, making comments such as, ' She's too fat around the thighs. That one could do with bigger breasts. Don't think much of that one, she's too skinny', etc. The irony is, according to his spouse --- he's near impotent and has been, life-long --suffers from chronic premature ejaculation !

When women allow themselves to be paraded as product, it encourages men to regard women as consumer items

Not all women regard themselves as consumer items, however. But many men don't bother (and/or are ubable) to differentiate. This results in news items about the employer accused of treating his female staff as meat. The employer is often genuinely baffled. He believed that because he paid his female staff that he owned them. He and his ilk claim to despise 'women's lib'. To them, women's liberation makes as much sense as vegetarianism, when we all know, don't we, that men are the natural butt-kickers on this planet and animals and women are here for a purpose -- God gave women and animals to men to make life fun

The irony is that when the vast majority of men regard billboards featuring a semi-naked female as an insult to women (and men)generally, rather than as a stiffening in their pants -- then those billboards and the traitors who pose for them will be redundant

Some men might claim that the day men stop reacting to the sight of a semi-naked female is the day men will have surrendered to wussiness and 'women's lib'. They'll claim that a 'real man' is 'supposed' to react to women. They'll also claim that 'real men' enjoy porn 'and there's nothing wrong with that'

Then they'll have the gall to talk about evolution

No, jealousy is not 'the reason behind feminism and consorship'. But you have to possess an IQ above 100 to realise that, I'm afraid. Some people will never grasp it. They're basically animals in clothing. But it might help them to evolve if they realise that females comprise slightly above 50% of the world's population. For some, this will be news. Because they've never thought of things that way

But yes, females comprise 50% of the world's population. There are more females in the workforce than males. Females make the majority of purchases. It's generally females who decide the purchase of major items such as houses and cars, overseas trips, furniture and clothing, not to mention cosmetics, groceries, home-improvement items, etc. See --- not only are women half of the world's population -- they also control the economy, basically

Women also provide the world with future generations -- of consumers. Women live longer than men, generally. They are not the 'weaker sex' at all

Which is why there are such concerted attempts to portray them as 'secondary' to men -- as in bikini-clad bimbos stretched across the hoods of cars, for example

For those who're still finding it difficult to grasp, simply reverse the process

Imagine if new car commercials featured a buff young guy in a thong, stretched across the hood

Imagine a gorgeous male hunk with rippling abs smiling at you from your family tv and telling you sexily to buy this can of paint, or this loaf of bread

Imagine driving to work with huge billboards on either side of the highway featuring gorgeous young guys advertising underwear, condoms, chain-saws and tinned peas

Imagine opening your newspaper to see photos of sexy young guys posing their almost naked bodies .. for no reason other than to titillate women

Imagine male secretaries bringing cups of coffee and taking messages for their female bosses

Imagine saying to your children, ' Just wait until your mother gets home ! '

Imagine banks requiring telling men that they'll need a female to countersign their loan application


Get the picture now ?


No, it's not jealousy behind consorship and feminism. Many men support both ... men who possess their fair share of testosterone

Censorship and feminism, at core, attempt to assist evolution become reality -- for all

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The answer is no....

And are you sure you're in the right century?

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I do not know, does really it all boil down to simple old jealousy, or even just, the old I'm not gettig any, so you won't either. I not having fun so no one can?

LOLOLOL!!!

seriously?

not all feminists are against porn - at least - not for the reasons you're suggesting

let me ask you a question - let's forget about the sad, lonely and deprived censors for now - what do you really think feminism is?

I mean - it would be easy for me to believe that you see it as something only a bunch of kvetching, plain jane, uptight old broads in sensible shoes might care about

you wouldn't be the first

(I apologize sincerely to every single woman offended by that description - including myself)

it's an honest question - before this discussion really gets going - please explain what you think feminism is

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
let me ask you a question - let's forget about the sad, lonely and deprived censors for now - what do you really think feminism is?
I mean - it would be easy for me to believe that you see it as something only a bunch of kvetching, plain jane, uptight old broads in sensible shoes might care about
you wouldn't be the first
(I apologize sincerely to every single woman offended by that description - including myself)
it's an honest question - before this discussion really gets going - please explain what you think feminism is

Why do you question what my view of feminist might be, but clearly still label censors as "SAD, LONELY & DEPRIVED"?

Clearly this must suggest that whilst you don't see jealously within the feminist's ranks, yet you see it in the censorship camp.

"I mean - it would be easy for me to believe that you see it as something only a bunch of kvetching, plain Janes/Johns, uptight old broads/blokes in sensible shoes might care about. You wouldn't be the first".

LOLOLOL!!!

seriously?


[edit on 26-3-2010 by acrux]

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Why do you question what my view of feminist might be, but clearly still label censors as "SAD, LONELY & DEPRIVED"?

your words: "Do censors complain about porn/sex because they can't get any? "

humor acrux

Clearly this must suggest that whilst you don't see jealously within the feminist's ranks, you see it in the censorship camp.

clearly - you are dodging my question

you have questioned the motives of two completely different groups

their reasons could be, might be - probably are - very different

while I can see how they might overlap from time to time - I can also see a completely different argument coming from each camp

I'm focusing on feminism, well - just 'cause

:-)

let me ask you another question then - since you either aren't interested in answering - or just can't answer - my original question

can you think of no other reason on your own for women - or the censors - to be against porn besides jealousy?

and then, if you're up for it at all - I'd still be interested to know - what do you think feminism is?

I'm genuinely curious



[edit on 3/26/2010 by Spiramirabilis]

Of course Feminism is all about jealousy. Have you ever read Freud's teachings on psychology? Specifically check out what he has to say about 'penis envy.'

John

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Of course Feminism is all about jealousy.

penis envy explains feminism?

how so?