Well, what more PROOF do you need? Dem/Repub Paradigm!

This is an OP ED.

I watch all of the MSM channels. If anyone can actually convince me that the Fox News Channel did not help the Dems, I will shoot myself in the foot.

I watched CONTINUOUS coverage including Dems in their coverage.

I suppose people on the Dem side will say that they gave fair coverage and forget about their comments only weeks earlier.

Sorry, not going to buy it.


Our economy is shot. Our Dollars are worthless. The government in the last 2 years has created over 40 Trillion dollars and we are to think that will not destroy our capital?

Please. Explain to me how it took the Dems 15 months to pass something that ONLY helps the GOVERNMENT and the CORPORATIONS.

You know, I was holding out hope for the Repubs. But that is completely gone now.


Welcome to the United Socialist/Fascist/Corporatist States of the Rockefeller's, Morgan's and the other Bankster's of the Fed.

God help us!

edit to add-alright someone thinks that socialism cannot exist with fascism. Okay, explain to me SS system or the Medicare system involved with our system now? Sorry, this is a hybrid system these evil SOB's have created.



[edit on 3/21/2010 by endisnighe]

Socialist Fascist....those don't go together
Cooperate Socialist....those don't go together either


I think you need to rethink the OP.

IMO, the reps wanted this to pass just as much as dems. Now the reps can add their jargon once they regain control and in a few months start using the issue against the Dems.

Rigged from the word go.

reply to post by endisnighe


I have only 1 problem with your post. 'socialist'.

I will understand if you mean socialism for the rich, but there is no new socialism here. If so I would like you to honestly point it out and back it up with what socialism supports.

reply to post by TheOneElectric


It's the world of postmodern politics and economics. Yesteryear's terminology and parade of ISM's no longer applies. By picking and choosing from each, our corporate overlords have found away to trample the lower castes in their quest for greed.

Wall Street, K-Street Uber Alles!

Originally posted by jam321
IMO, the reps wanted this to pass just as much as dems. Now the reps can add their jargon once they regain control and in a few months start using the issue against the Dems.

Rigged from the word go.

And I'm all for that. Now hear me out. I'm all for using the Republicans. This is my plan. Vote the dem's out, replace with Repubs, to fence in obama to prevent him from doing any more damage. Once we have him fenced in, then we bring in a third party, not before, you try it now the votes'll too divided and the dems'll keep control.

Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are in a position to satisfy the will of a majority of the American people. According to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll (December 2007), 47% of those surveyed felt that the two-party system “has real problems,” while another 29% felt that the system was “seriously broken.”

For many disillusioned voters, the 2008 elections will be a choice between the lesser of two evils, rather than an affirmation of support for the platform of either candidate.

The Liberal vs. Conservative Debate Has Lost its Meaning The terms “liberal” and “conservative,” which have traditionally defined the two major parties in the United States, have lost much of their meaning.

Instead, the parties are now largely defined by the industries who compete for their favor through lobbyists. As a result, most of the differences between the parties have become superficial.

us-elections.suite101.com...

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Okay, I suppose you solved this paradigm long ago.

Quit being a smartass and give me the solution.

Do I have to frelling threaten you.

You know I am kidding, not really though, how the HELL do we defeat these idiots in Washington?!

Here is my solution. We destroy all those anti-democratic laws that restrict third parties from the political debate. Then all parties are allowed to join the political debate. Let's see how long these authoritarian-statists last when we have the Libertarian Party, Constitution Party, Green Party and Independents along with state parties. We will fix our system as the dems and repubs scramble to reclaim the votes they lost to third parties. That would force them to clean up their act and it would allow Americans to choose between the left and the right, not two statist parties.

Edit to add: Here is proff that these parties are statist, not socialist, and yes there is a difference!

Statism (or etatism) is an ideology advocating the use of states to achieve goals, both economic and social. Economic statism, for instance, promotes the view that the state has a major and legitimate role in directing the economy, either directly through state-owned enterprises and other types of machinery of government, or indirectly through economic planning.

sovereignty is vested not in the people but in the national state, and that all individuals and associations exist only to enhance the power, the prestige, and the well-being of the state. The fascist concept of statism, which as seen as synonymous with the concept of nation, and corporatism repudiates individualism and exalts the nation as an organic body headed by the Supreme Leader and nurtured by unity, force, and discipline.

en.wikipedia.org...

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reply to post by TheOneElectric


So, you actually think there is no such thing as hybrid systems.

Well I guess you are right. I have a kiss my ass system over here.

Are you going to kiss it?

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Signals

 

Okay, I suppose you solved this paradigm long ago.

Quit being a smartass and give me the solution.

Do I have to frelling threaten you.

You know I am kidding, not really though, how the HELL do we defeat these idiots in Washington?!

No, not at all, just throwing in my 2 cents

Military dictatorship could be the solution, but that would really suck

How are yall going to destroy laws? They don't want to hear you its obvious, only way to remove the laws is to remove the law makers.

Originally posted by endisnighe
Please. Explain to me how it took the Dems 15 months to pass something that ONLY helps the GOVERNMENT and the CORPORATIONS.

It will help some poor people that can't afford any insurance right now, either by them raising the minimum income to qualify for medicaid, or getting extra tax credits to help pay for it.

Although I will agree, the bill does little to bring down costs, excessive insurance company profits aren't going away.

reply to post by Signals


I said that about 4 months ago, but, the really big BUTT, how do we pull back from THAT!

reply to post by Aziroth


Law, the all encompassing LAW. Well, we decide to not enforce the law that we disagree with. It is called jury nullification. We have to use EVERY aspect of our rights.

reply to post by Schaden


Okay, you may be right, it may help a few individuals. But it will help the corporations and the government the most. I guess that is the most important thing I guess. The government will continue to subjugate us.

reply to post by endisnighe


For a third party to gain any traction at all it is going to have a united front. A rocksolid plan and platform. Then a warchest to be able to buy ads to get attention thru the media.

I don't see anything even remotely like that on the political horizon; especially from the co-opted Tea Partiers.

Going up against the Dem/repub paradigm as you call it will be a HUGE undertaking and whining on the www. won't get you anywhere.

It's going to have to start with a REAL grassroots effort, starting at the local level for anyone to take notice.

At one time the Religious Right had a good plan to start with the local school boards and parlay that into city council, mayor, statehouse etc. but the voters rejected their myopic views.

The corps have the power they need now to institute the corporate fascism the neocons and the PNAC have been working for.
We now have a Kleptrocracy as EastCoastKid called it years ago.

en.wikipedia.org...

Many of us saw this coming years ago but we were shouted down as Bush haters and commies. And yes there is a certain amount of satisfaction from "I told you so"



Pass the KY. The old conservative mantra is very appropriate now; "Love it or Leave it"

It's a brave new world, welcome to the monkey house!!











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Does it really matter if you're a demopublican or a republicrat? Here's what I think we should do...get rid of all the parties. How about putting people in there to actually debate and use their friggin brains to decide whats right or wrong. It's a fantasy I know, but would make more sense than these grade school fights and bickering you see between the two sides on the TV constantly.

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I know, it is almost like it is an IMPOSSIBLE endeavor right? I can dream.

I wish I did not have the skeletons in my closet, I would lead this damn anger like a surfer on a tsunami wave.

It does not need a war chest actually. What it needs is real leadership. We have not seen that in decades.

I am not a staunch idealist, I can see the merits on all sides. I always wondered if the elevation of all the different statutes was a response to control us by making us all criminals, or what I believe now, to make the righteous among us not viable as candidates.

Like SKL's thread a couple days ago about blackmail, is it a control mechanism or an ability to make us all not viable as leaders?

I do not know, we have to stop the march to totalitarianism. If we do not, our children will all be slaves to the banksters and the freedom we have seen in our lifetime will be just stories told behind an IRON CURTAIN of slavery.