Well, what more PROOF do you need? Dem/Repub Paradigm!, page 1
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reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 10:54 PM by Misoir
reply to post by endisnighe



I have only 1 problem with your post. 'socialist'.

I will understand if you mean socialism for the rich, but there is no new socialism here. If so I would like you to honestly point it out and back it up with what socialism supports.


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 10:58 PM by Someone336
reply to post by TheOneElectric



It's the world of postmodern politics and economics. Yesteryear's terminology and parade of ISM's no longer applies. By picking and choosing from each, our corporate overlords have found away to trample the lower castes in their quest for greed.

Wall Street, K-Street Uber Alles!


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 11:40 PM by endisnighe
reply to post by Signals



Okay, I suppose you solved this paradigm long ago.

Quit being a smartass and give me the solution.

Do I have to frelling threaten you.

You know I am kidding, not really though, how the HELL do we defeat these idiots in Washington?!



reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 11:59 PM by Misoir
Here is my solution. We destroy all those anti-democratic laws that restrict third parties from the political debate. Then all parties are allowed to join the political debate. Let's see how long these authoritarian-statists last when we have the Libertarian Party, Constitution Party, Green Party and Independents along with state parties. We will fix our system as the dems and repubs scramble to reclaim the votes they lost to third parties. That would force them to clean up their act and it would allow Americans to choose between the left and the right, not two statist parties.

Edit to add: Here is proff that these parties are statist, not socialist, and yes there is a difference!

Statism (or etatism) is an ideology advocating the use of states to achieve goals, both economic and social. Economic statism, for instance, promotes the view that the state has a major and legitimate role in directing the economy, either directly through state-owned enterprises and other types of machinery of government, or indirectly through economic planning.

sovereignty is vested not in the people but in the national state, and that all individuals and associations exist only to enhance the power, the prestige, and the well-being of the state. The fascist concept of statism, which as seen as synonymous with the concept of nation, and corporatism repudiates individualism and exalts the nation as an organic body headed by the Supreme Leader and nurtured by unity, force, and discipline.


en.wikipedia.org...

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reply posted on 22-3-2010 @ 12:51 AM by endisnighe
reply to post by TheOneElectric



So, you actually think there is no such thing as hybrid systems.

Well I guess you are right. I have a kiss my ass system over here.

Are you going to kiss it?


reply posted on 22-3-2010 @ 08:50 AM by Signals
Originally posted by endisnighe
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post by Signals



Okay, I suppose you solved this paradigm long ago.

Quit being a smartass and give me the solution.

Do I have to frelling threaten you.

You know I am kidding, not really though, how the HELL do we defeat these idiots in Washington?!


No, not at all, just throwing in my 2 cents

Military dictatorship could be the solution, but that would really suck


reply posted on 23-3-2010 @ 06:46 PM by endisnighe
reply to post by Signals



I said that about 4 months ago, but, the really big BUTT, how do we pull back from THAT!

reply to post by Aziroth



Law, the all encompassing LAW. Well, we decide to not enforce the law that we disagree with. It is called jury nullification. We have to use EVERY aspect of our rights.

reply to post by Schaden



Okay, you may be right, it may help a few individuals. But it will help the corporations and the government the most. I guess that is the most important thing I guess. The government will continue to subjugate us.


reply posted on 23-3-2010 @ 07:19 PM by whaaa
reply to post by endisnighe



For a third party to gain any traction at all it is going to have a united front. A rocksolid plan and platform. Then a warchest to be able to buy ads to get attention thru the media.

I don't see anything even remotely like that on the political horizon; especially from the co-opted Tea Partiers.

Going up against the Dem/repub paradigm as you call it will be a HUGE undertaking and whining on the www. won't get you anywhere.

It's going to have to start with a REAL grassroots effort, starting at the local level for anyone to take notice.

At one time the Religious Right had a good plan to start with the local school boards and parlay that into city council, mayor, statehouse etc. but the voters rejected their myopic views.

The corps have the power they need now to institute the corporate fascism the neocons and the PNAC have been working for.
We now have a Kleptrocracy as EastCoastKid called it years ago.

en.wikipedia.org...

Many of us saw this coming years ago but we were shouted down as Bush haters and commies. And yes there is a certain amount of satisfaction from "I told you so"



Pass the KY. The old conservative mantra is very appropriate now; "Love it or Leave it"

It's a brave new world, welcome to the monkey house!!











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reply posted on 23-3-2010 @ 07:37 PM by endisnighe
reply to post by whaaa



I know, it is almost like it is an IMPOSSIBLE endeavor right? I can dream.

I wish I did not have the skeletons in my closet, I would lead this damn anger like a surfer on a tsunami wave.

It does not need a war chest actually. What it needs is real leadership. We have not seen that in decades.

I am not a staunch idealist, I can see the merits on all sides. I always wondered if the elevation of all the different statutes was a response to control us by making us all criminals, or what I believe now, to make the righteous among us not viable as candidates.

Like SKL's thread a couple days ago about blackmail, is it a control mechanism or an ability to make us all not viable as leaders?

I do not know, we have to stop the march to totalitarianism. If we do not, our children will all be slaves to the banksters and the freedom we have seen in our lifetime will be just stories told behind an IRON CURTAIN of slavery.
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