James Bulger Killer Returned To Prison

reply to post by anonymousproxy


In many cases the press often know the details,but are asked not to report.
They sort of have to know,so that they don't accidently spill the beans,
or thats probably the excuse they use.

Couldn't get your link to work but found this one,maybe the same one?

Looks like hes been up to all sorts,if the Mirror's source is accurate.

www.mirror.co.uk... -115875-22083895/



[edit on 4/3/2010 by Silcone Synapse]

reply to post by Gregandgemma


I was a couple of years yonger than the killers when I heard about this on the news. Years later, my english class did a project about crime in which this subject came up. Now nearing my 25th birthday, its all up in the news again . I have to say I was appalled by the murder of James Bulger, but I was not suprised. Some say the town I grew up in was trouble free when I was a young boy, but I knew differently . Down south , in the Thames Estuary area, life was seen by many to be relatively peachy. There was barely any of the gangland nonsense that was happening in london and further north, and of course being in the south, the trend was for a better than average household earning, and therefore a great many kids here were less vunerable to negative societal effects than were a great many other kids from my generation. However, even in the town I lived in, there were psychopaths in school. In primary school I had already encountered serious violence. Having someone hold your legs apart while thier chums take turns to kick you in the balls, is an education in itself.
Now , thats a terrible thing to do to another person , but when you consider the sheer amount of hatred and psychosis required to do what Venables and Thompson did... it just defies understanding, even now after all the years between, and all that I have learned in that time, I cannot fathom the depths of the evil that these boys plumbed that day. I am familiar with the case from having kept up with it over the years, and I know exactly what they did to James . Im not usualy one to hold back, but I am not even going into what damage was done to the poor child. Suffice to say, that such abuse is unprecidented.
I was further horrified by the more recent case of the Yorkshire torture brothers, who abducted two boys thier own ages, and forced them to perform lewd acts, before beating them half senseless (at least one of them had a sink dropped on his head) . Thier excuse was that there was "Nowt else to do" .This sort of thing is thankfully very rare, but it is not so rare for a child to be CAPABLE of such a thing. There are some nasty little vermin in this world, and although many kids in that age group are not psychopaths, its worth keeping in mind, that darkness is not a territory soley populated by adults.

Could we not simply use them for live target practice?

Or perhaps cover them in blue paint, beat them to death, and leave them on a railway track to be cut in two?

Regarding that, was it ever said at the case why the driver of the train/s didnt see James Bulger's body before... impact?

As i predicted, John Venables cover has been blown in prison and he has been taken into isolation.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

The killer of two-year-old James Bulger is under 24-hour guard after his identity became known at the prison where he is held, it was claimed this morning.

You might as well put a neon light over his head,” the Sun quoted a prison source as saying. “Guaranteeing his security is a total nightmare.” The source added: “He doesn’t talk to anyone and his presence here is like a powder keg waiting to explode.”

Prison staff and inmates became suspicious after he arrived without normal registration procedures. He is said to be “withdrawn” and makes no attempt to talk to other inmates.

He should never have been returned to a standard prison in the first place.

Originally posted by PeruvianmonkHe should never have been returned to a standard prison in the first place.

So where should he have gone then? Butlins?

Stupid statement.

Dont know if anyone else spotted this but on MSN last night I spotted a news story that said he was a drug addict and had had a fight with a work colleague.

Now I cant find the news item, strange.

but I agree that he has been treated not like a criminal ,why do these courts of human rights stand up for killers but forget about the human rights the killers took away from the victim.

The reason he's not treated like a criminal is because in a sense he isn't one. He was too young to be thought of as culpable of the crimes he committed and then was rehabilitated and thought enough so to be allowed back into society at 21.


He's serving a life sentence on license and one step out of line will bring him back into custody until it is decided whether or not he went against the rules of his license enough to be imprisoned.


Now they are just facts and don't necessarily tie with what I feel is justice or feel comfortable with my emotional reaction to the way he has been treated.


I have to ask myself what was I like as a ten year old. That person seems so alien to me now, so different to who I really am or have been for most of my life since becoming an adolescent. Would I feel comfortable to be held up for the way I acted, thought or was as a child now? No I'd hate it because it would be charging me for the actions of a stranger.

Not that I did anything bad as a kid but you know what I mean.

Now as much as I feel that we are confusing these ten year old boys with completely different men now it still doesn't feel comfortable with me on an emotional level. We shouldn't confuse the strangers of the two kids who took James and did those awful things to him with these two men who probably have no idea who the boys were who did that and killed him.


Now take away the intelligent and level thought process to address this and swap it with the emotional one gives me this thought. I have an 8 year old daughter. She is very intelligent, smart, personable, respectful and very well mannered. She is a shining light to me as you can imagine, but also to most who know her. So I think what if she did those things to a child, what if in two years even she did those things what would I think and feel?


Of course I would feel damaged and empty but I would still love her as I'm sure the mothers and fathers of these child killers still love their sons. But I would be shocked and possibly feel my life was over too. I don't know if I could handle such a thing. Now if you think this is going off on a tangent let me tell why I have said this. It is because if my 8 year old daughter did something like that, at two years younger than those boys, I would feel and think and KNOW that she knew what she was doing.

Sure in years to come she would feel sick of herself and not understand the actions of that stranger she was as a child, but she would have done those terrible things with a clear mind and knowledge of her actions. SO how can we accept that Venebales didn't?

How can we also say that if he did those things as a child that he wasn't damaged in such a way to not stop himself or refuse to do it that he must be unfixable, even as an adult.

What he did was due to something very wrong inside himself and can we really say he has been cured of that, can we cure that?

There's has been a lot of nonsense talked about this in past few days by media types and so called intelligent commentators trying to play the level headed card. They are saying that it wasn't a pre meditated homicide so we cannot treat these boys as child criminals and keep them in a cell until they die. That they didn't know what they were doing so we must accept it was a glitch in their minds that made this happen. Made this happen?



Then let me ask you all this. If it wasn't premeditated and only a childish prank that went horribly wrong how come they followed James and his parents until they saw an opportunity to take him? And more to the point how come they had tried it the day before and been caught and lied that they were trying to find the other kid's mum, the one that thankfully lived?


A prank, not knowing what they did, a glitch, a bad childhood home responsible? Really. Then tell that to James mum and dad. Tell them why their son is doing life fro being innocent.Tell them why they are doing life for the son that was taken and tortured. Tell them that justice is being done.

If Venebales is taking drugs and drinking due to the thoughts of what he did then he is unstable and not fixed. Can we afford to have a man (men ) like that free in our society to maybe one day give one of us that life sentence too?

I did stupid things as a kid like we all did. But guess what I never tortured or killed another human being. If I had I wouldn't allow myself to be alive right now.

reply to post by nephilim37


What i am and have been arguing is that he should have been put into isolation in prison from the start. Stupid!

one thing:

I am surprised that no one has yet mentioned that the killing was part of the NWO... someone always comes up with that stuff

Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by nephilim37

 

What i am and have been arguing is that he should have been put into isolation in prison from the start. Stupid!

Yean thanks for being disrespecful, the next time we need you, we'll ring a bell or something.

reply to post by mr-lizard


I was only replying to the implication that i was stupid by Neph becasue of my statement on putting Veneables into isolation in the first place(Read what i have typed on the thread). If anything it was a tounge in cheek response. But some people are clearly quite sensitve, so i will try harder to SIGNPOST it more clearly next time.

Originally posted by aristocrat2
How is it that you are all so prepared to condemn these two for killing a tot when they themselves were just 9 years old or so, yet you are all quite happy to turn a blind eye to US Marines and British Squadies who, as adults, have regularly massacred entire families and raped little children in front of their families to extract confessions in Iraq?

Oops! Sorry, I forgot -the Bulger kid has a white skin and Iraqi's are brown, so I guess that makes that all OK then.

[edit on 2-3-2010 by aristocrat2]

This gets the ''idiotic post of the month'' award. Should we not condemn these two murdering pieces of filth? Is that what you are saying? You seem to be calling anyone who condemns this filth a hypocrite and a racist, how dare you.

reply to post by Hawkwind.


Little star for you, I could not agree more, the most stupid, idiotic statement of the year. Iraq has nothing to do with this article.

This was a young boy battered to death by two 10 year olds. I am sorry if that was my child, as one member of the public stated during the week, They should have left open his Cell door, and let the other prisoners deal with him.

It beggars belief, that the Justice Ministry are not allowing the release of details, why he was taken back to prison in the first place. Wht is also disgusting, is that the Atourney General, had went out of his/her way, to stop newpaper or news channels from reporting this.

Just goes to show the government would rather protect the criminal rather than the victims.

The Mirror now says:
"Jon Venables sent back to prison over child porn offence" dated 07.03.10

www.mirror.co.uk...

news.bbc.co.uk...

Jon Venables - one of the killers of James Bulger - was recalled to prison on suspicion of offences related to images of child abuse, a paper reports.

The Sunday Mirror also claims Venables, who was released on licence with a new identity in 2001, had sparked concerns by using drugs and revealing his past.

Well does this prove that letting him out was totally pointless, now that he's not just a baby murderer, but a drug addict and a paedophile aswell?

reply to post by jenny52


Just when i thought he couldn't get any worse......

This stinks of a goverment cover-up ,this child killer has probably got a list of offences that he has committed since his release that has been swept under the carpet until it got to the point were something had to be done,

and the media blackout dosen't help because the british newspapers will just speculate until the info is released anyway ,i think they are saying that any release of info will prejudice a trial ,(good).

I just can't believe it cost's £250,000 to give him a new identity (this country has seriously gone wrong).

Forget Prison, make him serve on the frontline. Teach this Murderer/Thug discipline and respect and try to make something of this guy. Leaving him in isolation along with his "types" isnt going to change his mindset, if anything its going to encourage him.
Not only would our money be better spent elsewhere, but this guy will also be out the country, if he gets shot then noone will care anyway, plus he might even come back a better person.

Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

I was only replying to the implication that i was stupid by Neph becasue of my statement on putting Veneables into isolation in the first place(Read what i have typed on the thread). If anything it was a tounge in cheek response. But some people are clearly quite sensitve, so i will try harder to SIGNPOST it more clearly next time.

Apologies - didn't mean to offend you.

reply to post by aristocrat2

'Scuse me? Why bring Iraq into it?
For a start, the terrible things done by military who are in fear of their lives and who have been psyched up to kill is another discussion entirely.

As for the reluctance to make the details public in this case, maybe it's to do with not prejudicing any trial and thereby enabling this toe rag to go free.
Whatever - it does not sound as if he has been 'rehabilitated' does it? Maybe it's time we acknowledged the existence of pure evil.


[edit on 7-3-2010 by unicorn1]