*video* Mysterious Deaths of 911 Witnesses (MUST SEE)

Well, the good news is that Congress, the Senate, and Obama all agreed we need to continue to spy within American borders for these dangerous individual who would do harm against the American Government, not the people, by extending the Patriot Act.

Great video. Thanks for not forgetting the innocents.

Originally posted by manmental
Like so much 'truther' stuff I see, this again suffered from not adhering to a 'less is more' policy.

I myself think something funny is going on with the official version of 911, but I also think some of the 'truther' thinking is very misguided.

Out of all the deaths mentioned in the clip I think the Deborah Palfy case deserves more attention.

My main issue with 911 being an inside job is the stance and comments from Al Qaeda... who would surely say if:
a) they didn't do it. Blaming Bush for genocide would be the ultimate propaganda.
b) if they had American involvement... "we fooled your own people to destroy the towers...etc"... that admission, with evidence, would easily destroy a Government and create social unrest in USA.

Where as from my Google research I can only find evidence that there are loads of Al Qaeda dudes and heirachy who praise the work of their men.

And I'm not talking about Mr. Laden. who is probably dead and irrelevant.

I'm an ATS new member... so hello anyone. I've enjoyed the site for months... and finally decided to dive in.

Like so many al-Qaeda conspiracy theorists, you don't seem too concerned about the authenticity of your evidence or the credibility of your witnesses. You Googled and found a bunch of guys with Arab sounding names and rags on their heads who claimed responsibility. That's all the "proof" you needed to believe the government's lies.

Great job by the video maker and thank you for posting it. You can bet this far from a complete list, how many are just plain missing? Add to that the people who have died from breathing the dust at WTC following the demolitions (thats for you Dereks).
It reminds me of who the real patriots are in America. Those who are unwilling to change the truth to suit someone else's needs.

Double post, my first! ::cue music here::

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I hate to be the Debbie Downer but I get so angry even thinking about what happened that day. I truly believe that this will go down in history always known as the 911 conspiracy just like the JFK conspiracy. I'd give anything to be wrong, but do you really think that the people responsible will be brought to justice? Look what happens to people trying to do just that. They say "the truth will set you free." Well in this case it just gets you murdered. Sometimes it's a really sad world we live in.

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I did not know that Salvatore Princiotta was murdered. His family member Josef has a very good website dedicated to 9-11 research and justice for the victims of the 9-11 perps.

Excellent thread. I suppose we should add former FBI expert on Usama bin Laden and WTC head of security John O'Neill to the list.

C.S.I. 9/11

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Hopefully there will be no more murders of FDNY retirees in Arizona.

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FDNY 9-11 veteran found murdered in Scottsdale
Kevin Curran
12 News
May. 22, 2007 09:55 PM

On Sept. 11, 2001, thousands of New York City firefighters rushed to the World Trade Center after hijacked planes crashed into each of the twin 110-story towers. Within hours, both buildings had collapsed into a pile of rubble. 343 of those firefighters perished that day.

In the more than five years since the attack, many of the firefighters, police officers, paramedics and work crew members who searched the site and removed the debris have been stricken by a series of illnesses.

One of those firefighters was Sal Princiotta. He was a member of Ladder 9, based at a firehouse less than a mile from Ground Zero. Ten firefighters from that house died on Sept. 11, as well as Princiotta’s uncle, a deputy chief of the FDNY. advertisement

On May 14, Scottsdale police were called by a relative of Princiotta. They had not heard from him and were concerned. Officers responded to his condominium near Raintree Dr. and Thompson Peak Pky. and found Princiotta had died several days earlier.

A few days later, the 43-year-old Princiotta’s body was placed on a historic fire truck and taken to Sky Harbor Airport under police escort for a final trip back to New York and a funeral on Long Island.

His death notice published in Newsday on May 18 said he died, “as a result of post 9/11 lung complications.”

On Tuesday, Scottsdale police announced that Princiotta was the victim of a homicide, but refused to reveal the manner or cause of death. “Certain details of the case need to be held in confidence to preserve our ability to successfully prosecute case,” Sgt Mark Clark said. Clark added investigators were aware of Princiotta’s health condition.

The homicide case was a shock to Princiotta’s brother, Joseph. He told 12 News the family expected pathology to show the lung condition had taken Sal. He claimed Scottsdale police never told the family his brother had been murdered.

Joseph said Sal moved to Arizona last January because he found it easier to breathe. He also enjoyed the camaraderie of many FDNY retirees who now call the Valley of the Sun home.

Some of those retirees accompanied his casket during its motorcade to the airport.

A lapel pin bearing the logo of the Fire Department City of New York is attached to the entry door of Princiotta’s condominium.

Neighbor Matt Greenhaw said the retired firefighter spoke of Sept. 11, “it was something that took a toll on him and he talked about other firefighters, his good friends, who had kind of gone off the deep end from what they saw and the loss of so many friends and family.”

Two months after the attack, Princiotta was one of six FDNY members who rode bicycles from New York to Pasadena, Calif. The “Thank You America” tour was a way for the firefighters to show their appreciation for the outpouring of support shown by Americans to those who responded on that tragic morning.

In his retirement, Sal Princiotta found a new passion. He was working as a photographer, taking shots of events, sports and landscapes. His online photo album contains almost 600 pictures on more than 30 pages.

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They may have killed these people but their truth is on film. Their truth is out there for all the world to see. How anyone involved in this cover-up can sleep at night, I will never understand. That in itself is terrifying, that they have no conscience. That is the scariest thing in the world.

Their answer to everything is murder or threats and they continue doing as they damned well please. One of these days their karma will catch up to them. Hopefully, someone somewhere will finally put them in their place.

I'm not going to lie, I don't research anything about 911, so I'm far from being informed as most of you are, but if these people were "assassinated/silenced", then why did it take most of them so long before they were killed? I mean, most of those deaths happened in '07-'08. If there was a real cover-up, like you're suggesting, I would imagine that they would have been 'killed' earlier then that. It just sounds like a coincidence.

Again, who knows, I'm just giving my opinion.

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I doubt that Salvatore Princiotta was murdered to shut him up about 9-11. It would seem counter-productive.

But then again these 9-11 perps seemed to place no value on human life whatsoever did they? Perhaps several of their 'hitmen' have gone out-of-control with their paranoia. Maybe they can already feel their necks in a noose, and are striking out in every direction, shutting up potential contributers to their demise.

It seems some of our very own rabid defenders of the official fantasy tale have also gone out-of-control, doesn't it?

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The message is very clear speak out and you die, and people say how come no witness's are coming forward???

I remember watching a show, seeing a suicide gun device, created to make police believe a person took their own life. It was a device that went on a persons head and arm with spot for a gun. An great evil for sure.
I have no doubt that such a device is actually in use.
No wonder some people are terrified to talk.

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Hey Daddio,
I'm familiar with the so called origins of the movement.

"The origins of al-Qaeda as a network inspiring terrorism around the world and training operatives can be traced to the Soviet war in Afghanistan(December 1979 – February 1989). The U.S. channelled funds through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency to the native Afghan mujahideen fighting the Soviet occupation in a CIA program called Operation Cyclone."

So while I agree that the USA's funding may have given birth to the movement, I find it a bit of a stretch of the imagination to say that the CIA and al-Qaeda are effictively one and the same.

I've never met anyone from al-Qaeda, but I've also never met an eskimo, and I'm convinced they exist too.

My own feelings on 911 is that too many incredible events happened in one day and that the official version falls way short of explaining the many strange anomalies surrounding all the plane crashes, wtc 7, flight 93 and the Pentagon. I believe there must be some Government involvement as, despite knowing of the terrorists plans in advance, no defence plan was initiated on the day, and so I think they wanted it to go down to give them a reason for the War On Terror.

The movie said a couple of people dies "mysteriously" but doesn't say what was so mysterious. Why was some of plane crashes mysterious, it never said. I understand the logic if the government is tied into 9/11 and were willing to let thousands of Americans die, then they would have no proplem killing a couple of hundred more. On the flip side, try to think like the dark side. Why cause a major train wreck to kill one person. Seriously, all that trouble for one person. Wrecking the guys breaks on his car and blaming Toyota would be a lot easier (don't know what the guy drove but using te toyota thing as an example) Any car accedint and then saying that the person was drunk. Would anyone blink an eye at someone in the middle of 9/11 developed a drinking problem. The Bush babysitter. You don't poop where you live. Do you think the Bushs wanted their kids to see any of that. It's the babysitter, you could send the baby sitter wherever and have something bad happen to her. the firefighter, whatever he saw probably the whole company either knows or saw. Think about it, you just was part of the most serious, jacked up thing you ever saw. You don't think all the firefighters compared notes, or was it do you think the Yankees will win the world series. Here is the rub; If push to look for shady deaths and if there are people who knows the truth, pushing/saying everything is a shady deaths might make people not want to come forward.

Originally posted by Crito

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
But we KNOW these are ALL just coincidences, eh? And all of these witnesses were liars anyway, right?

They're not all liars, just the ones who said they heard multiple explosions in WTC7, the ones who said there were explosions in the basement of WTC1 and WTC2 before the planes hit and those who said they had no intention of committing suicide and then hung themselves. Because the government and NIST are credible.

You mean like the FBI suspecting there were explosions in the basement of the WTC? I guess when a witness backs up the FBI and the FBI has to change their mind, it makes the witness a liar.

Originally posted by manmental


My main issue with 911 being an inside job is the stance and comments from Al Qaeda... who would surely say if:
a) they didn't do it. Blaming Bush for genocide would be the ultimate propaganda.
b) if they had American involvement... "we fooled your own people to destroy the towers...etc"... that admission, with evidence, would easily destroy a Government and create social unrest in USA.

Where as from my Google research I can only find evidence that there are loads of Al Qaeda dudes and heirachy who praise the work of their men.

And I'm not talking about Mr. Laden. who is probably dead and irrelevant.

That Al Qaeda is claiming responsiblity reflects on Al Qaeda's ties with the CIA. Zbigniew Brzezinski, who is set to speak at University of Oklahoma on March 8, 2010 in Norman, is probably singlehandedly responsible for the organization of Al Queda. There is a picture of him with Tim Osman, AKA Osama Ben Laden, who was his protege. picture The CIA staged terrorist attacks on Russian Muslim satellite countries from Pakistan after 1971 sending them through Afghanistan, which was why Russia invaded Afghanistan in the first place. Charlie Wilson's War was a farce.The same terrorists who were supposed to be responsible for 911 were residing in Oklahoma just before the Murrah Building Bombing. Apparently somebody high up decided against blaming that one on the Arabs at the last minute.When the CIA needed to come up with a name for "their" terrorists for the embassy bombings, they picked "Al Qaeda" which meant the "data base" Al Qaeda is totally CIA. If you look into the history of the CIA you will see how that is possible. Don't take my word for it. Look it up. It is amazing how much opens up as you research. Enjoy the rabbithole.



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RE: DEBORAH PALFREY

I find it strange that when someone says he does some research online, via Google, where he checks multiple sources and follows numerous threads to try and get an overview of something that he can be labelled as someone who 'believes everything' and 'that's not research'... but the person saying that then posts up some youtube clips thus 'proving' their point of view over mine.
I doubt that many of us here have the time to do 'real' research in the 'real' world and so we use the Internet as a primary source of our information. Of course there is lots of dribble and hear-say and downright lies out there but the Internet can be a source to real truths too... just depends where and how hard you look. I personally don't make up my mind about anything conspiracy related based on one youtube clip.

Anyway... I've been digressing. I wanted to find out a bit more about Debbie Palfrey, the so called 'DC-Madam' who committed suicide after telling Alex Jones she wouldn't.

As usual there is a bit more to her story than the clip portrayed. She was due to be sentenced for money laundering, using the mail for illegal purposes and racketeering and feared a long sentence (the max is 55 years). She had been in prison previously and hated it so much.
Journalist Dan Moldea, who was working with Palfrey on a book, said that in a 2007 conversation, Palfrey told him, "I am not going back to prison. I will commit suicide first." He said her previous prison experience had traumatized her and she felt she couldn't do it again.

News accounts at the time reported that her mother said she had "no indication" that Palfrey was planning to commit suicide, though she later stated, "I was afraid constantly [for her]. I watched her like a hawk." Which sounds to me like her mother was worried.

As for the Alex Jones promise... I don't know about you but if I was suicidal and I'm asked live on the radio if I'm going to committ suicide I wouldn't say 'yes'... even if I knew I was going to go home and kill myself.

The fact that she had talked about suicide prior to her suicide and her fear of going to jail, gives a strong reason why she may have taken her own life.

In addition, Palfrey sought to put her affairs in order before her death as she turned over the ownership of her high school alumni web site to a classmate, had moved her possessions to her mother's home, whom she was staying with at the time, and had transferred money from her accounts to her mother's. The day before, she reviewed her pre-incarceration papers and watched videos of her deceased father.

I'll admit most of this info came from her wiki entry, but it does do a lot to show that the case is not as straight forward as the clip makes out.

Her 'revelations' could be about anything, as she was involved in prostituition and money laundering... and so not necessarily 911 revelations.

Originally posted by thinline
The movie said a couple of people dies "mysteriously" but doesn't say what was so mysterious. Why was some of plane crashes mysterious, it never said.

They didn't go into detail about the mysterious crash of Continental Airlines flight 3407. I found that disappointing as well. I was watching TV early that morning and saw a news article that said there was an explosion BEFORE the crash. Later they dropped it.
They also left out a lot of people.Joseph Stack in Austin TX for one. And what about that CIA person who was chased through Houston and shot to death, Roland Vincent Carnaby.who was investigating Deborah Palfrey

Originally posted by stephanies-chase

They say "the truth will set you free." Well in this case it just gets you murdered. Sometimes it's a really sad world we live in.

Maybe that is what Allen Dulles meant when he made that the motto for the CIA, that they will free your body from your soul if you know too much.

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Originally posted by manmental
Like so much 'truther' stuff I see, this again suffered from not adhering to a 'less is more' policy.

I myself think something funny is going on with the official version of 911, but I also think some of the 'truther' thinking is very misguided.

Out of all the deaths mentioned in the clip I think the Deborah Palfy case deserves more attention.

My main issue with 911 being an inside job is the stance and comments from Al Qaeda... who would surely say if:
a) they didn't do it. Blaming Bush for genocide would be the ultimate propaganda.
b) if they had American involvement... "we fooled your own people to destroy the towers...etc"... that admission, with evidence, would easily destroy a Government and create social unrest in USA.

Where as from my Google research I can only find evidence that there are loads of Al Qaeda dudes and heirachy who praise the work of their men.

And I'm not talking about Mr. Laden. who is probably dead and irrelevant.

I'm an ATS new member... so hello anyone. I've enjoyed the site for months... and finally decided to dive in.

the problem with this is that Al-CIA-DUH never truly existed to begin with so all those statements would be moot seeing as how Al-CIA-DUH is an american CIA invention so your entire argument gets thrown out the window.

Originally posted by daddio
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Did no one pay attention to the Dominican Republic, flight 587, that crashed into the Rockaway section of Queens? This is where most of the firefighters WHO TALKED, lived. TPTB were sending a very clear message. Shut the hell up or we can do much worse to you and your families. It was November 11 2001, what a coincidence, it was on the 11th just 2 months after TPTB/Israel's first attack on New York and America. They care not who they kill or how. Just like all the witnesses in Dallas at the JFK assassination are all dead too, even the children who would be middle aged right now, but have been suicided by TPTB.

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What a country.

I guess I missed the thread that implicates Israel as being behind 911, please enlighten me more.
As for saying TPTB crashed a passenger plane to silence some fireman is really being stupid in my opinion. If TPTB that you imagine wanted to do that why not just blow up the fire station... or better still, stage a massive fire in Queens in a building pre-packed with explosives... wait till all the local fire crews are there and... BOOM... no more fireman snitches. Much easier.

I personally remember this plane crash very well as at the time I was good (e mail) friends with a guy who worked in the biggest morgue in New York. He told me all about that dreadful morning. He said that coming so soon after 911 everyone thought it was another terrorist attack, and they wanted to know ASAP if that was the case, so they literally scooped up all the waste and dumped it from huge trucks directly into the morgue. He said it was like walking ankle deep in slush, body parts mixed in with ash, water and mud. His job was to x-ray all the bits of bodies. Grim. He said his found a small chunk of flesh and skin... and on the skin was a skull and cross bones tattoo.

Anyway. I think there was some sort of Government involvement in the 911 attacks based on the fact they were following the terrorists plans and movements and also wanted a reason to go to war.

But I believe this plane crash and many of the so called mysterious deaths of 911 witnesses are simple coincidences, and distract from the more pertinant questions. Like why their was no defensive US action on the morning of the attacks, and why there's no definitive CCTV footage of whatever struck the pentagon among others.

I want MYTHBUSTERS to do a 911 special and try and fly a passenger plane at 500 kph 10 foot above the ground for starters.

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Originally posted by MaxBlack

Something that should not be ignored in this ongoing saga of dead witnesses is the possibility that secret time travel technology is being abused in a criminal fashion to determine if the witnesses of the present will indeed pose a threat to the 911 investigation in the future.

This claim comes from a federal witness Andrew D. Basiago that discusses secret time travel technology that is being used to commit time crimes and to ensure that those that are guilty are never threatened by exposure coming from some witness that comes forth and gives pertinent testimony to undermine the official 911 story.
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I'm sure they wish they had this time travel technology to kill all the witnesses, but it looks like they are doing an excellent job of it just in regular time