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I believe in flying saucers, not in UFOs!!

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posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 01:43 PM

by Norio Hayakawa
February 24, 2010

When people ask me if I believe in UFOs, I have a difficult time answering that question.
The best answer that I can think of, when confronted with such a question is "yes, I believe that sightings of UFOs are reported from time to time".
That answer itself, however, is an incorrect answer because it (the fact that sightings of UFOs are reported from time to time) is not a matter of beliefs. It's fact, not fiction.

First of all, UFOs have nothing to do with beliefs.
A UFO simply means an Unidentified Flying Object.

Like it or not, it's a term which was coined by the U.S. Air Force in 1952.
It was a term created with good intention to clarify things.
But on the contrary, it has created misunderstanding and more confusion than ever.
The word has truly "muddied the waters", so to say.
Things were much simpler, especially between 1947 and 1952 when these unknown objects were called "flying saucers" or "flying discs".
It was because the vast majority of such objects sighted then were disc-shaped.
I would venture to say that this is true even today.
(although there have been noticeable reports of sightings of triangular-shaped craft in the past couple of decades or so).

Nevertheless, by a strange coincidence, the vast majority of similar objects reportedly sighted around the world throughout the history of mankind has also been predominantly disc-shaped.

So when people ask me if I believe in UFOs, my answer is "No, I don't believe in UFOs, but I believe in flying saucers".
I wish that people will discontinue to use the word UFOs.

But it is also important to emphasize that just because one believes in the existence of flying sacuers, it does not necessarily mean that he or she believes that flying saucers are physical, extraterrestrial spacecraft piloted or maneuvered by physical, extraterrestrial beings from some inhabited planets in distant space.
That should be a separate question.

First of all, in my opinion, no one knows for sure what flying saucers are or where they come from.
This is still a mystery.

There are millions of people who believe in the existence of flying saucers.
In this sense, flying saucers no doubt exist in a level of reality envisioned by the observers.
Anything that mankind imagines exist in a level of reality envisioned by mankind.
For example, do "elves" exist? Do "demons" exist?
The answer is yes.
Any thought or concept or even a word that originates from a person begins to exist in a plane of reality.
The level of such reality becomes even greater when more people begin to envision a similar vision.
For example, if there are 500 people who have almost the exact mental picture of a flying saucer, let's say, its dimensions, exact shape, color, etc., that collective picture will begin to occupy a higher level of reality.
In other words, what I am trying to say is that there are many many levels of reality.
Unfortunately mankind only knows one level of reality, i.e., the reality of physical reality.

So, once again, let me clarify my position.
I am not ashamed to say that yes, I am a firm believer in the existence of flying saucers!!


In 1975 I was living in Phoenix, Arizona.
I clearly remember one day in that year receivng from my mother a most interesting letter.
I could see her excitement in that letter.
She wrote to me in that letter saying that about 10 days before, she had distinctively observed a silvery, metallic "flying saucer"-shaped object (with a dome) hovering just above a crowded railway station in Yokohama, Japan.

It was in a broad daylight, around 11:30 a.m..
She described the object incredibly as a typical "flying saucer", just as "flying saucers" have always been depicted in comic books or in Sci-Fi movies.

She said in the letter that it happened when she and her grandson were walking away from the railroad station and walking towards home.
She felt as if "something had told her" to turn around and look back towards the railway station.
And, Lord, behold, right over the station, she suddenly saw this shiny, silverish, metallic, typical "flying saucer" with a dome hovering over!
She immediately pointed to her grandson to turn around and look, and at that very moment, the object was gone........vanished!
The street was filled with people coming from and going to the railway station.
She was so awe-struck that she didn't even notice anyone observing the object.

My mother had always been skeptical and always used to ridicule my serious interest in "UFOs".
(In my childhood years, I had always taken a great interest in "UFOs" or "flying sacuers", as they were called then, ever since my father had told me of his sighting of a strange, greenish "ball of fire" slowly moving over Yokohama bay one summer night in 1947, as he was night-fishing, his favorite hobby of many many years.
He swore that the object seemed as if it were "intelligently controlled" or "intelligently maneuvering".
He said he had never seen anything like it before. My father had passed away in 1982. My mother passed away in 1998.

But getting back to my mother, her amazing sighting totally made her a believer.
Do I believe in her sighting?
By all means, yes.
I have the highest respect for my mother and I totally believe what she said in the letter.
I visited my mother a few years later and she confirmed her sighting exactly as she wrote me.
There is no doubt in my mind that she did see what she said she saw.

Once again, do I believe in the existence of flying saucers?
Yes, no doubt about it.

-from Norio

posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 01:47 PM
Now that's specific.

UFO's aren't exactly synonymous with flying saucer. Yet that's usually what people think of when the acronym UFO is used... I've seen many a UFO, which might have been a flying saucer, or not...hence the UFO designation. "Unknown".

Nice thread.

[edit on 2/24/2010 by seagull]

posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 01:55 PM
reply to post by seagull

Just about everything in the sky is a UFO to a layman. They can't "identify" hardly anything. My wife just learned that all those high-flying jets and contrails are regular passenger jets. She thought they were all military, because they appeared to be so high and fast.

Even if someone is a pilot (like me) and even if I can identify common jetways and common air craft and even if I can speculate about a destination, I still don't know the Airline or FLT #, and I still see plenty of things I can't even guess at.

So yes, UFOs are not a matter of belief, nor are they a matter of extra-terrestrials, nor do they have to be "saucers."

UFO does not equal Flying Saucer and Flying Saucer does not equal Extra-Terrestrial and Extra-Terrestrial does not equal Grays or Little Green Men.

It is almost certain that there is Extra-Terrestrial Life bombarding us on Meteors and Comets. It is almost a mathematical certainty that millions of Earth-like planets exist in the Universe, but it is highly unlikely that anything we see in the sky is some visiting humanoid creature piloting a Saucer Shaped UFO, and if we ever did find such a thing, it would no longer be a UFO, because at that moment it would be identified!

posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 02:08 PM
nice thread and good point, however i always felt that "flying saucer" is in the same family as "little green men" in that they are both seem like vast over simplifications.

this conversation as an example

"i saw a ufo"
"you mean you saw the little green men in their flying saucers?"

i agree that there should be a different phrase other than ufo, but flying saucer doesnt really have the right feel in describing (what potentially could be) a class of spacecraft..

definetly one to mull over for a while

posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 02:15 PM
reply to post by Norio Hayakawa

Wait a minute. The term flying saucer is just a descriptive term. As long as we don't know what a flying saucer really is, isn't it still a UFO?

posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 02:51 PM
reply to post by Norio Hayakawa

There are lots and lots of different reported shapes - General Vasily Alexeyev makes an interesting point below:

"They came up with a table of pictures of all the shapes of UFOs that have ever been recorded -about 50 ...The study of UFOs may reveal some new forms of energy to us,or at least bring us closer to a solution.
General Vasily Alexeyev
Russian Air Force -Space Communications Centre

Different Shapes:

Domed saucer




Flat top

Double hat

Conical hat

Saturn craft





Teardrop craft

Winged craft

Cross craft

Pyramid craft

Dumbbell craft


Ring craft

Cone craft

Box craft

Bell craft

Horseshoe craft

Split craft

UFO/OVNI shapes


posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 03:30 PM
I don't see what's difficult about it. Flying saucers are unidentified objects.

posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 03:54 PM

"No, I don't believe in UFOs, but I believe in flying saucers".

Looks to me like a poor attempt to be witty. While we all know what UFO stands for it has a different connotative meaning which implies a craft of ET origin.

1.any of a number of unidentified objects or phenomena frequently reported, esp. since 1947, to have been observed or tracked in the sky and variously explained as being atmospheric phenomena, hallucinations, misperceptions of actual objects, alien spacecraft, etc.
2.a spacecraft from another planet; flying saucer

–noun,pluralUFO's, UFOs.
any unexplained moving object observed in the sky, esp. one assumed by some observers to be of extraterrestrial origin.

flying saucer 
any of various disk-shaped objects allegedly seen flying at high speeds and altitudes, often with extreme changes in speedand direction, and thought by some to be manned by intelligent beings from outer space.

In other words, what I am trying to say is that there are many many levels of reality.
Unfortunately mankind only knows one level of reality, i.e., the reality of physical reality.

I really wish people would stop trying to tie in new-age thinking/belief into UFOlogy.

[edit on 24-2-2010 by zaiger]

posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 03:57 PM
Nice thread!
And Karl 12 has a good point.

I think we should just call them ICAS!

Intelligent-Controlled Aerial Something.

Why "Something"?
Well, you know... there is always that guy saying "...actually, they are made of pure energy, so they are not exactly Objects"

OK, good we took the terminology out of way...

Now, back to find out where it is coming from, and try to observe that.
It's only when you know where something is coming from that you can start to understand what it is.


posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 04:33 PM
I wish we could finally get to the bottom of what these things are and what they are doing here? It all very frustrating!!!

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