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Topic started on 23-2-2010 @ 10:46 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

War Game Shows Dangers of Attacking Iran


www.military.com
WASHINGTON - Here's a war game involving Iran, Israel and the U.S. that shows how unintended consequences can spin out of control:

With diplomacy failing and precious intelligence just received about two new secret Iranian nuclear facilities, Israel launches a pre-emptive strike against Tehran's nuclear complex. The strike is successful, wiping out six of Iran's key sites and setting back its suspected quest for a bomb by years.

But what happens next isn't pretty.

(visit the link for the full news article)


reply posted on 23-2-2010 @ 10:51 AM by jumpingbeanz
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler



hail george bush no wonder he was looking into earth penetrating missiles good old george was right


reply posted on 23-2-2010 @ 11:13 AM by SLAYER69
Well first off Proto.

I didn't know if you were aware of it or not but this topic has been posted numerous times already here at ATS. I'd post links to them but I'm too lazy this morning to look them up.

Second...
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
And a lesson we should all be familiar with from our decade long experience in Iraq and Afghanistan where Americans are still making their way home in body bags every day from.


You do realize the War in Iraq for the US is pretty much over right?
Is the War Over?
Independent reporter Michael Yon has spent more time in Iraq embedded with combat soldiers than any other journalist in the world, and a few days ago he boldly declared the war over:

Barring any major and unexpected developments (like an Israeli air strike on Iran and the retaliations that would follow), a fair-minded person could say with reasonable certainty that the war has ended. A new and better nation is growing legs. What's left is messy politics that likely will be punctuated by low-level violence and the occasional spectacular attack. Yet, the will of the Iraqi people has changed, and the Iraqi military has dramatically improved, so those spectacular attacks are diminishing along with the regular violence. Now it's time to rebuild the country, and create a pluralistic, stable and peaceful Iraq. That will be long, hard work. But by my estimation, the Iraq War is over. We won. Which means the Iraqi people won.

I’m reluctant to say “the war has ended,” as he did, but everything else he wrote is undoubtedly true. The war in Iraq is all but over right now, and it will be officially over if the current trends in violence continue their downward slide. That is a mathematical fact.

If you doubt it, look at the data.

Security incidents, or attacks, are at their lowest level in four years. Civilian deaths are down by almost 90 percent since General Petraeus’ counterinsurgency “surge” strategy went into effect. High profile attacks, or explosions, are down by 80 percent in the same time period. American and Iraqi soldiers suffer far fewer casualties than they have for years. Ethno-sectarian deaths from Iraq’s civil war plunged all the way down to zero in May and June 2008.

Yon is braver than the rest of us for declaring the war over, but it’s important to understand that there are no final battles in counterinsurgencies and it’s impossible to pinpoint the exact dates when wars like this end. The anti-Iraqi insurgency – a war-within-a-war – really is effectively over.



CCTV-China.com
Obama later said the government is increasing US troops in Afghanistan, while training Afghan Security Forces so they can begin to take the lead in July of 2011, and then US troops can begin to return home. He also stated clearly that America's war in Iraq is over.

"As we take the fight to al Qaeda, we are responsibly leaving Iraq to its people. As a candidate, I promised that I would end this war, and that is what I am doing as President. We will have all of our combat troops out of Iraq by the end of this August. We will support the Iraqi government as they hold elections, and continue to partner with the Iraqi people to promote regional peace and prosperity. But make no mistake: this war is ending, and all of our troops are coming home."



New Name for Iraq Mission Meets With Criticism from Left
Gates wrote in a memo exclusively obtained by ABC News that by changing the name at the same time as the change of mission -- the scheduled withdrawal of U.S. combat troops -- the US is sending "a strong signal" that "our forces are operating under a new mission."


They are operating under a new mission because the war is over.
The Combat divisions are coming home. There hasn't been any real fighting in Iraq in almost two years. My son came back in March of last year he said the same thing. There have been many many sectarian bombings and killings in other words Iraqi Sunni and Iraqi Shia killing each other but for the US the war is done.

The reason for the name change is because the Combat troops are leaving because there is not much in the way of combat going on. US troops have been held up on bases for a while now they don't patrol it's pretty much over for the US. There is a new Government and the Iraqis are focused on each other and their Government.

The US invasion didn't create the sectarian conflict. Research Sunni and Shia history.

Sectarian Violence
Gunmen in Iraq have shot dead a family of eight and beheaded some of the bodies, officials say, amid a wave of pre-election violence.

The gunmen killed the family, who were reportedly Shia Muslims living in a majority Sunni area just outside the capital, Baghdad, early on Monday.



As far as the OP goes...

Yes, it would be a political disaster for the US/West at the present time. However IF and When Iran developed Nukes some will feel it will be too late to do anything about it and that the Hawks in Washington, London and the EU were right.


reply posted on 23-2-2010 @ 12:02 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by SLAYER69





You do realize the War in Iraq for the US is pretty much over right?


Pretty much over is what? Kind of like being a little pregnant.

Let's stop for a pause for some of Proto's homespun wisdom.

Don't count your chickens until the eggs are hatched...

and

It ain't over until the fat lady sings.

One thing is for sure we hve not built the largest most expensive U.S. Embassy ever constructed in Bagdhad because the U.S. is rushing out of Iraq.

Nothing like a cup of refreshing kool aide in the morning...it smells like victory!


reply posted on 23-2-2010 @ 12:12 PM by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by SLAYER69



Some people just cant seem to get past the fact the war is over and we won the war. I mean look at them Slayer they were wishing and hoping for an American Defeat, but hey We pulled it off.



[edit on 23-2-2010 by poedxsoldiervet]



reply posted on 23-2-2010 @ 12:34 PM by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by LadySkadi



No need to duck for cover, I am very Much anti-iraq war. Hell I am anti-war period, But I understand the need for it. Every Soldier who has any sense is anti-war.



[edit on 23-2-2010 by poedxsoldiervet]


reply posted on 23-2-2010 @ 12:45 PM by LadySkadi
reply to post by poedxsoldiervet



I understand. And I'm very glad that the whole situation "seems" to be winding down and coming to a close. Iraq needs to be given the space (and support if needed, but only if needed) to come into their own. Glad to see that may be finally happening.



*the duck for cover bit, was in regards to Obama, just a little dig...
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