Well first off Proto.
I didn't know if you were aware of it or not but this topic has been posted numerous times already here at ATS. I'd post links to them but I'm too
lazy this morning to look them up.
Second...
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
And a lesson we should all be familiar with from our decade long experience in Iraq and Afghanistan where Americans are still making their way home in
body bags every day from.
You do realize the War in Iraq for the US is pretty much over right?
Is the War Over?
Independent reporter Michael Yon has spent more time in Iraq embedded with combat soldiers than any other journalist in the world, and a few days
ago he boldly declared the war over:
Barring any major and unexpected developments (like an Israeli air strike on Iran and the retaliations that would follow), a fair-minded person
could say with reasonable certainty that the war has ended. A new and better nation is growing legs. What's left is messy politics that likely will
be punctuated by low-level violence and the occasional spectacular attack. Yet, the will of the Iraqi people has changed, and the Iraqi military has
dramatically improved, so those spectacular attacks are diminishing along with the regular violence. Now it's time to rebuild the country, and create
a pluralistic, stable and peaceful Iraq. That will be long, hard work. But by my estimation, the Iraq War is over. We won. Which means the Iraqi
people won.
I’m reluctant to say “the war has ended,” as he did, but everything else he wrote is undoubtedly true. The war in Iraq is all but over right
now, and it will be officially over if the current trends in violence continue their downward slide. That is a mathematical fact.
If you doubt it, look at the data.
Security incidents, or attacks, are at their lowest level in four years. Civilian deaths are down by almost 90 percent since General Petraeus’
counterinsurgency “surge” strategy went into effect. High profile attacks, or explosions, are down by 80 percent in the same time period. American
and Iraqi soldiers suffer far fewer casualties than they have for years. Ethno-sectarian deaths from Iraq’s civil war plunged all the way down to
zero in May and June 2008.
Yon is braver than the rest of us for declaring the war over, but it’s important to understand that there are no final battles in
counterinsurgencies and it’s impossible to pinpoint the exact dates when wars like this end. The anti-Iraqi insurgency – a war-within-a-war –
really is effectively over.
CCTV-China.com
Obama later said the government is increasing US troops in Afghanistan, while training Afghan Security Forces so they can begin to take the lead
in July of 2011, and then US troops can begin to return home. He also stated clearly that America's war in Iraq is over.
"As we take the fight to al Qaeda, we are responsibly leaving Iraq to its people. As a candidate, I promised that I would end this war, and that is
what I am doing as President. We will have all of our combat troops out of Iraq by the end of this August. We will support the Iraqi government as
they hold elections, and continue to partner with the Iraqi people to promote regional peace and prosperity. But make no mistake: this war is ending,
and all of our troops are coming home."
New Name for Iraq Mission Meets
With Criticism from LeftGates wrote in a memo exclusively obtained by ABC News that by changing the name at the same time as the change of
mission -- the scheduled withdrawal of U.S. combat troops -- the US is sending "a strong signal" that "our forces are operating under a new
mission."
They are operating under a new mission because the war is over.
The Combat divisions are coming home. There hasn't been any real fighting in Iraq in almost two years. My son came back in March of last year he said
the same thing. There have been many many sectarian bombings and killings in other words Iraqi Sunni and Iraqi Shia killing each other but for the US
the war is done.
The reason for the name change is because the Combat troops are leaving because there is not much in the way of combat going on. US troops have been
held up on bases for a while now they don't patrol it's pretty much over for the US. There is a new Government and the Iraqis are focused on each
other and their Government.
The US invasion didn't create the sectarian conflict. Research Sunni and Shia history.
Sectarian Violence
Gunmen in Iraq have shot dead a family of eight and beheaded some of the bodies, officials say, amid a wave of pre-election violence.
The gunmen killed the family, who were reportedly Shia Muslims living in a majority Sunni area just outside the capital, Baghdad, early on Monday.
As far as the OP goes...
Yes, it would be a political disaster for the US/West at the present time. However IF and When Iran developed Nukes some will feel it will be too
late to do anything about it and that the Hawks in Washington, London and the EU were right.