Fore Will (origin at its finest)

The origin of existence is WILL. Does anyone dispute this? It takes WILL to do things. Therefore it takes WILL to create anything in the first place. Which do you need? WILL or SELF to create a universe? Somewhere in your will it is in stone that it takes WILL for any and every thing to be. So WILL is the all origin. But what do you all believe or think? Ha! It takes a will to believe and think. The SELF is nothing/dead without WILL. Before I'm a SELF, I'm a WILL. Feel me? Raw WILL is our origin. We share WILL. For it is what we have in common. And no one wants to live without a will, correct? LIVING is WILL.

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Tormentations]

Originally posted by Tormentations
The origin of existence is WILL. Does anyone dispute this?

Yes.

It takes WILL to do things.

Gravity does things. Does gravity have a will?

reply to post by Golden Boy


Gravity does what sort of things alone by itself? Will does things alone on its own like create things. Think about thought...It is showing WILL create things imaginatively.

So I stand correct.

Originally posted by Golden Boy

Originally posted by Tormentations
The origin of existence is WILL. Does anyone dispute this?

Yes.

It takes WILL to do things.

Gravity does things. Does gravity have a will?

Gravity is an effect. A reaction chain set in place by a design that was created by an intellect.

Those interested in this thread will find The Freedom of Choice (link) very interesting as well. Same issue, expanded and explained beautifully.

Originally posted by Tormentations
reply to post by Golden Boy

 

Gravity does what sort of things alone by itself?

Moves things.

Will does things alone on its own like create things.

Matter can be neither created nor destroyed. Will can only rearrange what was already there - like gravity.

Think about thought...It is showing WILL create things imaginatively.

What?

Originally posted by seamus

Originally posted by Golden Boy

Originally posted by Tormentations
The origin of existence is WILL. Does anyone dispute this?

Yes.

It takes WILL to do things.

Gravity does things. Does gravity have a will?

Gravity is an effect. A reaction chain set in place

Yes. So is will.

by a design that was created by an intellect.

Evidence?

I thought it was energy, not matter. That's only a theory.

WILL is the puppet master of things it created out of magic hidden from our eyes.

Originally posted by Tormentations
I thought it was energy, not matter.

Thought what was energy?

That's only a theory.

What's only a theory? Please, tell me what part of my post you are referring to. It'd make this entire discussion much easier.

WILL is the puppet master of things it created out of magic hidden from our eyes.

Evidence?

Everything you do is determined by the circumstances of the moment, your personal history and your genetic inheritance. What makes you think free will exists at all?

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For Will or even free will to exist Awareness
is first required....

But what is Required for "Awareness" to be Possible ??? In the nonmaterial sense...

Without "Awareness" nothing would exist, two Components are required here.

a. The Experience
b. That which Experiences.

But how does human science research "Awareness" because this is dependant
on the Interpretation of the word Awareness and is a very, very complex subject.
So little is known about Awareness.

Nothing at all can Exist, whether in a state of energy or matter,
unless Will causes it to happen; Which I have to agree with you on this point,
but Will is Not the Root of All.

Awareness is at the base of Will, with two other components
which are opposites…

The underlying Algorithm is found in the Paradox.
Without the "Paradox" Nothing at all can exist not even "Nothing".
For "nothing" to exist, it (Nothing) has to be somewhere ???
Whether in Conceptual form or otherwise..

It is the "Paradox" that allows interactions.

Understand the "Structure" of the Paradox and how it came into being,
then establish the Algorithm of the Paradox and you will find the Answer you seek...

Human science, doesn't even know where the Universe is, in the all.
I am referring to the Location of this little Universes in the All.

But the human species Conspires against "Awareness"
and blocks knowledge in every way they possibly can,
so they will not find their root.

The human Species can't accept being second.
And more to the point are terrified of discovering what they really are,
they don't want to open that door in case the bogie man might be there….. LOL

Both religions and human science block the way to knowing the root of All.

The answers can be found in the "Self" but many Conspire against knowing the Self.
and can only accept the human Form they experience.
To come to know what they really are is just too frightening for them...


[edit on 24-2-2010 by The Matrix Traveller]

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
Without "Awareness" nothing would exist

Evidence?

Nothing at all can Exist, whether in a state of energy or matter,
unless Will causes it to happen

Evidence?

Originally posted by Golden Boy

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
Without "Awareness" nothing would exist

Evidence?

Yourself....

Nothing at all can Exist, whether in a state of energy or matter,
unless Will causes it to happen

Evidence?

Yourself....


[edit on 24-2-2010 by The Matrix Traveller]

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

Originally posted by Golden Boy

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
Without "Awareness" nothing would exist

Evidence?

Yourself....

Not evidence for your claim. I am not evidence that, without awareness, nothing would exist.
Anything else?

Nothing at all can Exist, whether in a state of energy or matter,
unless Will causes it to happen

Evidence?

Yourself....

Again, no.

[edit on 2/24/2010 by Golden Boy]

Careful golden boy. These folks are trying to philosophize about science and religion, while knowing nothing about science, religion, OR philosophy. That is to say, they're trying to look "deep" and "insightful" in the internet.

The argument presented depends on a presumption; that there is a "superior entity". It posits no evidence for this entity, except in a self-referential way; "I say that the only reason that there is X is that it was created by my entity, therefor that entity exists and created X"

No thoughtful analysis of the natural world leads to the conclusion of "creator" - note the caveat though, "thoughtful" - lazy and sloppy investigation can lead to this conclusion, usually by people too ego-driven to simply say "I don't know."

You can argue that it takes will to create. However, you're presupposing creation. This leads to a natural paradox; if there is a being with the intent and will to create, then he must have originated from ANOTHER being with the intent and will to create, then he must have originated from ANOTHER being with the intent and will to create, then he must have originated from ANOTHER being with the intent and will to create, then he must have originated from ANOTHER being with the intent and will to create, then he must have originated from ANOTHER being with the intent and will to create... ad infinitum.

Your creator has answered nothing at all, simply given rise to an unanswerable chain of nonsense, every scrap of it based on your own ego and no supporting evidence.

[edit on 24-2-2010 by TheWalkingFox]

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Careful golden boy. These folks are trying to philosophize about science and religion, while knowing nothing about science, religion, OR philosophy. That is to say, they're trying to look "deep" and "insightful" in the internet.

Yeah, I know. It's like watching The Matrix all over again...



Thanks for the analysis of the argument, by the way. I knew what it was - the same old circular-logic-special-pleading-argument-from-creation - but it's still very nice to see it laid out so cleanly and concisely.

Originally posted by Golden Boy

Originally posted by seamus

Originally posted by Golden Boy

Originally posted by Tormentations
The origin of existence is WILL. Does anyone dispute this?

Yes.

It takes WILL to do things.

Gravity does things. Does gravity have a will?

Gravity is an effect. A reaction chain set in place

Yes. So is will.

by a design that was created by an intellect.

Evidence?

Will is not a "reaction chain set in place"

It is the exact opposite of that...

Originally posted by Jezus
Will is not a "reaction chain set in place"

It is the exact opposite of that...

Actually, will is a reaction chain. We have evidence that it is the chemical reactions taking place in the brain. If you believe that it is something more than that, I must ask again...

Evidence?

reply to post by Golden Boy


I guess you don't exist then???

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by Golden Boy

 

I guess you don't exist then???

Total non sequitur much?

reply to post by Golden Boy


Where is the proof you exist I don't have any...

Please provide the Proof you exist...

After all I may only be writing to a compter...



[edit on 24-2-2010 by The Matrix Traveller]