Fox News (conservatives) declare WAR against Higher Education

Originally posted by antonia
Why are we ragging on people who build houses? It's an honorable profession. You can't cut down someone else to raise another and expect to be taken seriously. What are you going to rag on next? Fixing cars? Toilets? Computers?

I'm in college right now. I'm a music major. From my own observation, most of the students in college shouldn't be there. The jobs they want to pursue don't require a degree in truth. It's became a requirement because people know it's expensive. It's feeding a system that is not to your advantage. If you want to be a doctor, a lawyer, a scientist, a fine artist, a computer programmer, something of that nature-Go to college. That's good for you. I've worked in radio. It doesn't require a degree. It requires some technical knowledge that one can easily learn in a library. It requires a freaking loudmouth with an opinion who can press the play button. I don't begrudge Foxnews for having broadcasters without degrees. A degree is not going to bestow talent on you. I know plenty of Music college graduates who can't get into classical music. Their not good enough. There are many people in classical who do not have degrees at all. Why? They are good enough. A piece of paper guarantees you nothing.

As for liberal bias, never encountered a professor like that. I can't say I think it's true.

[edit on 17-2-2010 by antonia]

I definitely would not downgrade anyone for their profession. However, the problem is the fact that Fox News has attempted to denigrate the idea of Higher Education because it presents "liberal bias." I saw your last line, so, I know that you do not agree with their assessment. However, if we take away the right to education especially when funding is already being stripped from public education, eventually there will be nothing that defines us against other leading countries like Japan, China, etc. So far, our public education is rated pretty low in comparison the the rest of the industrialized nations of the world. I have to ask...WHY?

Here's a tidbit from Wikipedia that provides additional sources that can be studied:

The country has a reading literacy rate at 98% of the population over age 15,[5] while ranking below average in science and mathematics understanding compared to other developed countries.[6] In 2008, there was a 77% graduation rate from high school, below that of most developed countries.[7]

The poor performance has pushed public and private efforts such as the No Child Left Behind Act. In addition, the ratio of college-educated adults entering the workforce to general population (33%) is slightly below the mean of other developed countries (35%)[8] and rate of participation of the labor force in continuing education is high.[9] A 2000s study by Jon Miller of Michigan State University concluded that "A slightly higher proportion of American adults qualify as scientifically literate than European or Japanese adults".[10

Source:
en.wikipedia.org...

I do, however, agree with many of your assessments.

[edit on 17-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Angus123
Anti-intellectualism is all the rage in right wing circles.

Actually, it's anti-elitism that is the rage in "right-wing circles".

The elitism that goes with liberal "intellectuals" being so sure they are more intelligent than the "common people" - like the ones that watch Fox News and vote against "progressive" candidates.

Yes...all that lefty "thinking" that liberals do!!! It's so socialist!!

Seriously...the rage against the educated and the label "elite" in political rhetoric is not new to the world. It is one of the founding premises of most communist revolutions.

The most extreme example in recent times was the genocide in Cambodia...the "killing fields"?..they were shooting men, women and children in the streets because they wore glasses...they just "looked" educated.

On a lighter note Jon Stewart summed it up nicely during the election...

You know, I hear what you're all saying, but doesn't "elite" mean good?

Is that not something we're looking for in a President anymore?

You want to go bowling and throw back a few beers, but the job you're applying for, if you get it and it goes well, they might carve your head into a mountain. If you don't actually think you are better than us, then what the (bleep) are you doing?

Originally posted by Submarines
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

Having attended a major public university,

I have to agree with mnemeth1's post.

He hits the nail on the head!

Which part of the post. He had a few.

Education is the process of increasing your understanding of the world. The more education a person gets, the more they understand about the world. The more a person understands about the world, the better they are able to take on new perspectives. The better one is at taking on new perspectives, the more liberal a person is. A liberal is someone who champions many perspectives, while a conservative is someone who only champions those perspectives that are most "close to home".

That's a step-by-step proof that education makes you liberal by improving you.

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I would have taken you seriously until you started saying communist this and socialist that, which is tends to always be a huge exaggeration. There's no sort of socialist indoctrination or whatever, if that's what you think happens in a University.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry



I can't watch this particular video but I have to say the overall concept made me laugh.

Who paid for this study that found out that "gasp" higher education often has a liberal lean?

That was some money well spent.

Their next study results: "Animals are often found in Zoos!"

As to Fox playing this? Come on now, can anyone really be suprised, they are just playing to their audience.

In a long list of Fox fail, this is just another notch on the belt.

What makes me sad is that some will just take it at face value and eat it up without investigation because it neatly fits in their worldview.

reply to post by GideonHM

Not bad. I saw the approach that you used, and hopefully the person that you responded to will understand the point that you made.

Education is necessary for the United States to continue being a representative for the rest of the world, and without it, we might as well hand over the elite the keys to our homes, sign over our paychecks directly, and allow fascism to rule our every whim.

Originally posted by Helmkat
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

I can't watch this particular video but I have to say the overall concept made me laugh.

Who paid for this study that found out that "gasp" higher education often has a liberal lean?

That was some money well spent.

Their next study results: "Animals are often found in Zoos!"

As to Fox playing this? Come on now, can anyone really be suprised, they are just playing to their audience.

In a long list of Fox fail, this is just another notch on the belt.

What makes me sad is that some will just take it at face value and eat it up without investigation because it neatly fits in their worldview.

I couldn't agree with you more. By the way, nice to see you Helmkat.

Originally posted by mnemeth1
Do you have a degree from a major public university?

They can rightly be called communist brainwashing centers.

1. unmitigated support of Keynesian economics

2. "diversity" mandates in course curriculum

3. constant support of expansionist government policy


[edit on 16-2-2010 by mnemeth1]

Right.

I won't argue with your points here, however I would appreciate if you would expand on "'diversity' mandates in course curriculum"

From my experience, "diversity" is increasingly not present in university education. If you are being ironic then I retract however I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that diversity really ought to be mandated in education, thus providing a well rounded educational experience.



[edit on 17-2-2010 by Tamale_214]

Originally posted by piddles
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

I would have taken you seriously until you started saying communist this and socialist that, which is tends to always be a huge exaggeration. There's no sort of socialist indoctrination or whatever, if that's what you think happens in a University.

Agreed. He had made some good points, but, it kind've got lost in the ideology rant.

Very funny. Of course, it is just class envy, Fox news singing to the choir. Don't you think the average person who would be willing to swallow their tripe is probably not college educated, and may even resent those who are?

I know several college professors, and without exception they are intelligent and not political followers. They know bull# when they see it, whether it comes from the left or the right.

Fox News spews garbage 24/7. If people were more educated and thoughtful, they would be out of business.

I watched the video, and gave it a few minutes of thought on what had been said. And my Bull$hitmeter began to peg !

Now I know exactly why I don't watch these political talk show programs on FOX or otherwise.

For essentially what was said was that based upon their studies, that college education isn't promoting Conservative views but instead are promoting Liberal ideologies instead.

Therefore all of you FOX viewers, now Mr Murdoch wants all of you viewers to readily embed this into your subconscious mind that .... College Education equates to a Commie Liberal agenda and subsequently equals very BAD.



But I digress...

The reporter/host proceeds to cite two examples from High School level Civics class pertaining to the liberal college educated graduates unable to name the 3 branches of Government and a question pertaining to the Bill of Rights, and the first Amendment.

What ?
Give me a break !

I mean really, when was the last time your job interview weighed upon your knowledge of these questions taught in High School Civics class ?

Maybe this is the REAL reason as why these Liberal educated college grads can't answer the question ?
Because it simply wasn't of importance maybe ?

And Not necessarily due to some Liberal Conspiracy theorist, 9/11 truther, pinko, commie collegiate agenda !



As with all information, one needs to look at the source as well as following the money and connecting our Bull$hit-meter.

Where our meter is going off the scale for this FOX employed Schill is another mouthpiece talking head under the employ of none other than Zionist Rupert Murdoch, owner of FOX network.

Rupert and his fellow Zionist buddies capitalize on these wars for profit in the middle east and have historically done so throughout western history beginning with the Rothschilds, the original Zionists and financiers of all wars. They even created Israel with land stolen in a foreclosure !

And how does this pertain to college campuses and their blasphemous Liberal agendas ?

Very simple, it is none other than The Antiwar movement of the 60's and 70's of which the liberal movement gained considerable momentum on college campuses against the Conservative War Movement who at the time had us deeply entrenched in a war for profit called Vietnam.

That's how.

So tracing the money back to the owner of FOX and where we are today , fighting two wars in the middle east and working on a third in Iran.
This doesn't surprise me in the least.

Since FOX is used to promote the ideals of the war for profit consortium of which it's owner Zionist Rupert Murdoch is entirely an intrinsic part of.


[edit on 17-2-2010 by nh_ee]

Disgusting xenophobia on the part of Fox News. Thank you for bringing this to ATS' attention, EvolvedMinistry.

I've got to say I pretty much agree with this. My younger brother and sister are both going to the University of Washington and the liberal drivel and socialist thinking that spews forth from thier facial orifices gets more and more disgusting the higher thier educations go.

Here is a video from a Tea party where a member screams about burning books from colleges/universities.

www.liveleak.com...

It starts at about 4:40.

This is a very disturbing, very telling depiction of what is to come.

Originally posted by Grumble
Very funny. Of course, it is just class envy, Fox news singing to the choir. Don't you think the average person who would be willing to swallow their tripe is probably not college educated, and may even resent those who are?

I know several college professors, and without exception they are intelligent and not political followers. They know bull# when they see it, whether it comes from the left or the right.

Fox News spews garbage 24/7. If people were more educated and thoughtful, they would be out of business.

Unfortunately, Fox is currently the leading source of news and information in America if that tells you anything. The scary thing is how influential and dangerous the rhetoric is that they are preaching, and the choir is only growing larger.

But, for the most part...I agree with EVERYTHING that you have said.

Originally posted by shadowkhas
Disgusting xenophobia on the part of Fox News. Thank you for bringing this to ATS' attention, EvolvedMinistry.

No problem, I felt it necessary to show others how far things are going in this country.

[edit on 17-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

Originally posted by DJM8507
Here is a video from a Tea party where a member screams about burning books from colleges/universities.

www.liveleak.com...

It starts at about 4:40.

This is a very disturbing, very telling depiction of what is to come.

My God. I had no idea how far this was going. Things are getting bad. Ever hear of Orson Well's 1984???

Better yet...go and watch the movie "Book of Eli." I had no idea that things were going this direction. Thanks for posting.

Originally posted by piddles
There's no sort of socialist indoctrination or whatever, if that's what you think happens in a University.

"Marxist Professors Are Gift to Climate Skeptics "

"In the social sciences, 24 percent of professors identified themselves as liberal "radicals" and 18 percent as Marxists. Only 4.9 percent of social scientists identified themselves as "conservative."
(Left-leaning) American Enterprise Institute, December 21, 2009
www.aei.org...

"The Origins of Political Correctness"

"If we look at it analytically, if we look at it historically, we quickly find out exactly what it is. Political Correctness is cultural Marxism. It is Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms. It is an effort that goes back not to the 1960s and the hippies and the peace movement, but back to World War I. If we compare the basic tenets of Political Correctness with classical Marxism the parallels are very obvious."
Accuracy in Academia, February 5, 2000
www.academia.org...

"How our Marxist Faculties Got That Way"

"...when the Soviet Union collapsed, Marxism collapsed in Russia and in Eastern Europe. But it survived in U.S. universities, where politically-correct feelings are now more important than knowledge, and where politically-correct emotions are now more important than logic and critical thinking."
American Thinker, July 9, 2008
www.americanthinker.com...

"Are You Funding Marxist Revolution with Your Tuition?"

"Radical communists teaching in U.S. universities? Surely not. If you don’t believe it, perhaps you should attend the next Marxist Scholars Conference and take a tape player. The most recent of these gatherings, held at the University of California/Berkeley last November, drew 500 American professors and political activists to discuss how they could better disseminate their views into the mainstream of American thought. Their primary target, of course, is the university student."
The Forerunner, April, 2008
www.forerunner.com...

"American Academia and the Survival of Marxist Ideas"

Book Description: "A detailed analysis of how and why Marxist thought pervades contemporary American higher education and scholarship."
www.amazon.com...

Originally posted by mnemeth1
Do you have a degree from a major public university?

They can rightly be called communist brainwashing centers.

1. unmitigated support of Keynesian economics

2. "diversity" mandates in course curriculum

3. constant support of expansionist government policy

[edit on 16-2-2010 by mnemeth1]

I'll try to paraphrase your concerns

1) OMG, they teach basic theory that's being used in most Western economy.

2) Oh noes, black people...

3) There is a world outside the US...you must be kidding!