Anti-Israelism: Why Zionism Doesn't And Can't Get It

reply to post by Longbob
I read a synopsis of 'The Thirteenth Tribe' by Arthur Koestler. This looks like wading into some murky water here. Even if Huns adopt Judaism as their religion in A.D. 740 and are Khazars, does that negate their humanity? Plenty of Jews can trace their heritage to Rome after 2nd temple destruction, or to western Arabian Peninsula or even Baghdad. If Europeans are adopted into the tribe, aren't they then of the tribe?

I've had my own doubts about the relationship of Judah with the rest of Israel. I thought they were most closely related to Kurds of northern Iraq area. Still, people are people.

I'll read more and see where this seems to be going. Is it that these Khazars are Gog and Magog and will be fighting the Israelites and the Jews for power?



[edit on 29-1-2010 by pthena]

The light at the end of the tunnel here, is that many Americans are now rapidly waking up to the truth in all of this.

Not all Jews are Zionists either, and many good Jewish people are also starting to become very vocal about some of the wrongs being committed by the lunatic Zionist New World Order, and their outrageous plots and lies.

Muslims too have to put up with some crazy fanatical political power grabbing stuff, with which most of them want no part at all.

Americans are ripe for rebellion against the evils based in Washington.

Just as many good Jewish people absolutely hate the crap brewing in Tel Aviv.

Most good and pious Muslim people are just like the rest of us, just want to live their lives in peace and see an end to all the trouble.

We good guys are going to win !
Jews, Muslims and Christians, all of us !

The crazy factions in all three will dig their own graves.

Before God (Allah) we are all one people. HIS people.




[edit on 29/1/2010 by Silver Shadow]

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We good guys are going to win !
Jews, Muslims and Christians, all of us !

The crazy factions in all three will dig their own graves.

It looks like good people won't be able to avoid this. We're already suffering the consequences of what we didn't ask for. Is this destined or should we try to stop it? I think even if it's destined it's still right to try to stop it. Am I fighting God? Maybe that's what he wants us to do.



[edit on 29-1-2010 by pthena]

No, we cannot avoid it.

But "we" the good guys are still going to win.

And "we" are all going to meet up in the next life and tell our own stories about how each of us did the very best we could have done in the particular circumstances, by being honest, having faith in the One True God, and helping others.

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And "we" are all going to meet up in the next life and tell our own stories about how each of us did the very best we could have done in the particular circumstances, by being honest, having faith in the One True God, and helping others.

I used to envy the Christians, because their Lord never told them to kill. Therefore free to be pacifist.
Then I envied the Muslims, because they were to submit, therefore free to be pacifist.
I don't know enough about Judaism to envy them yet.

But I will fight as hard as I can for pacifism! My duty to God who is One.


[edit on 29-1-2010 by pthena]

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As you pointed out there are a number of Jews that settled in other parts of the Middle East and Europe. The Hebrews that settled in Rome and later in Spain are known as the Shepardic Jews. These Jews today make up about 10% of the population of Israel. These Jews BTW, are Semites.

The Huns and Asiatic tribes that migrated westward are those who converted to Judaism around 740AD. These (warlike tribes, BIG emphasis on warlike) became known as the Khazars. The Khazarian Jews ARE NOT Semitic in origin. That is the main difference to keep in mind. They are Indo European/Asiatic in origin.

It is the Khazars that migrated westward to Eastern Europe and later on to various countries in Europe. It is the Khazars that were expelled from 47 different countries over a 1000 year period. It is the leaders of the Khazars who later formed the Zionist party in 1897. It is this group of people who became the Bolsheviks/Communists.

And it is this group of people who scream "Anti-Semite" to any criticism of them.

reply to post by Longbob
Well this just took a strange path. I may just have some connection with these Khazars. It would seem that their old Tengri shamanism is actually my own religion. And all this time I thought I was unique.

So essentially there's a theory, or belief that my former co-religionists converted to Judaism back about AD750 and called themselves Jews. They wouldn't have done that unless they were giving up the nomad life and planning on settling down. It makes some sense to choose Judaism for its story of wandering and then gaining a territory like in Exodus.

So it seems I've stumbled into something I really need to look into.

Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by Longbob
Well this just took a strange path. I may just have some connection with these Khazars. It would seem that their old Tengri shamanism is actually my own religion. And all this time I thought I was unique.

So essentially there's a theory, or belief that my former co-religionists converted to Judaism back about AD750 and called themselves Jews. They wouldn't have done that unless they were giving up the nomad life and planning on settling down. It makes some sense to choose Judaism for its story of wandering and then gaining a territory like in Exodus.

So it seems I've stumbled into something I really need to look into.

Well, not quite. The word "Jew" didn't even come into existence until around 1850. Before then, the people known later as 'Jews" were commonly known as Iewe (singular) and Iewes (plural). Pronounced as Huey, believe it or not. Or Huey's for the plural.

Freeedman's book, 'The Truth About Khazars" has each and every name the Iewes have been known as all the way back to the time of Jesus.

reply to post by Longbob
I'm afraid it will take a while to consider all the material you have suggested. So I state my own approach.

The so-called Jewish state of Israel has no constitution. The position is that none is needed because their Declaration of Independence serves as its constitution.

THE DECLARATION OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL
May 14, 1948 paragraphs 13 & 14

WE DECLARE that, with effect from the moment of the termination of the Mandate being tonight, the eve of Sabbath, the 6th Iyar, 5708 (15th May, 1948), until the establishment of the elected, regular authorities of the State in accordance with the Constitution which shall be adopted by the Elected Constituent Assembly not later than the 1st October 1948, the People's Council shall act as a Provisional Council of State, and its executive organ, the People's Administration, shall be the Provisional Government of the Jewish State, to be called "Israel".

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

I find irreconcilable differences between what the prophets invoked here demanded of Israel and what the writers of this declaration are 'guaranteeing'. Specifically freedom of religion and safeguarding of all holy places. The prophets from Moses on down to Malaci demanded quite the opposite.

The fulfillment of this declaration is completely impossible. In my estimation the whole project was begun frivolously, with no consideration whatsoever for the consequences. YHWH of Israel is being mocked by this project and this declaration.



[edit on 30-1-2010 by pthena]

What never seizes to amaze me is how so many people, especially the media, can be so obsessed on a single conflict, REGARDLESS WHO IS CORRECT AND WHO IS WRONG!

Another amazing thing is that everything evil is SOMEHOW linked to zionism, with 99% of the people not even knowing what the term means.

Hell if bob said zionism is evil, then it must be evil. Joe listens to bob and repeats the same garbage to jeff. Jeff then repeats it to sally and bingo we have made a conspiracy where it doesn't exist.

You want real evil? Google illuminati, reptillians, greys, underground bases, etc and see what TRUE EVIL is all about. Read how the illuminatti plan to use zionism to inflame the middle east and start WW3! Oh yeah its real, alright and most of those folks are INSANELY RICH non-jews with the exception of the rothschild.

Bon voyage and happy learning.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

What never seizes to amaze me is how so many people, especially the media, can be so obsessed on a single conflict,

Another amazing thing is that everything evil is SOMEHOW linked to zionism, with 99% of the people not even knowing what the term means.

Read how the illuminatti plan to use zionism to inflame the middle east and start WW3! Oh yeah its real, alright and most of those folks are INSANELY RICH non-jews with the exception of the rothschild.

Amazing, even you link zionism to WW3

Bon voyage and happy learning.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
What never seizes to amaze me is how so many people, especially the media, can be so obsessed on a single conflict, REGARDLESS WHO IS CORRECT AND WHO IS WRONG!

Another amazing thing is that everything evil is SOMEHOW linked to zionism, with 99% of the people not even knowing what the term means.

Hell if bob said zionism is evil, then it must be evil. Joe listens to bob and repeats the same garbage to jeff. Jeff then repeats it to sally and bingo we have made a conspiracy where it doesn't exist.

You want real evil? Google illuminati, reptillians, greys, underground bases, etc and see what TRUE EVIL is all about. Read how the illuminatti plan to use zionism to inflame the middle east and start WW3! Oh yeah its real, alright and most of those folks are INSANELY RICH non-jews with the exception of the rothschild.

Bon voyage and happy learning.

While I am using the quote above from EC; I'll be answering both him and pthena. You are right pthena about Israel not having a Constitution. They never have defined what their borders actually are either. The government of Israel can call itself a "state" all they want to, but until they adopt a Constitution and define their borders, they are really no more than a territory.

Also pthena...the original Khazars after being thrown out of Khazaria by the Russians, migrated westward and became known as ...

In the 10th and 11th century, the first Ashkenazim, Jewish merchants in France and Germany, were economic pioneers, treated well because of their trading connections with the Mediterranean and the East.

In the 12th and 13th centuries, many Ashkenazi Jews became moneylenders. They were supported by the secular rulers who benefited from taxes imposed on the Jews. The rulers did not totally protect them, however, and blood libels cropped up accompanied by violence. In 1182, Jews were expelled from France. Ashkenazi Jews continued to build communities in Germany until they faced riots and massacres in the 1200s and 1300s. Some Jews moved to Sephardi Spain while others set up Ashkenazi communities in Poland.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...

I don't often quote from the JVL since they tend to try and white wash Jewish blood sacrifices with the term "blood libel" instead. When one subject is white washed and/or covered up, there are always going to be more.

EC ? This is a discussion about Israel and Zionism. If you want to talk about reptilians and greys and underground bases, there are plenty of other forums for that. Stay on topic please.

As for Zionism being the cause of everything evil in the world, are you denying that it was the Zionists/Bolsheviks who overthrew the Romanov's in 1917, thereby ushering in Communism ? Do you know how many people were killed in the 20th century because of Communism ?

Maybe you do not define 70 million deaths as evil ? Is that it ?

How about the 1533 recent deaths, 473 of which were children, 400 of which were unarmed women, during Israel's "Operation Cast Lead" against the Palestinians ?

Is that evil ? Is killing unarmed women evil ? Is killing children evil ?

I know what my answer is, what is yours ?



[edit on 30-1-2010 by Longbob]

reply to post by Longbob
The bottom line seems to be that there is no place for my people (euro-asiatics) in the Land of Israel, promised to Abraham.

For approximately 1260 yrs. my people have deluded themselves into thinking they were Israelites. The decent thing would be for them to walk away. I think YHWH may only have violence to offer.

My people need to leave and find their own God again. YHWH won't be fooled by people calling themselves his people.

See my thread: www.abovetopsecret.com... One State Solution



[edit on 31-1-2010 by pthena]

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Pthena ? Yes, it is true that God gave Israel to Abram (yeah, I know he is named differently)'... but God also took Israel away from the Hebrews too, don't forget. The Hebrews broke the covenant with God by putting other deities before him.

In fact, God cursed Israel for all eternity in the Book of Jerimiah. And don't forget too that he caused the Hebrews to be conquered twice and led away into slavery again and again. Not once, but twice (1st and 2nd Exiles).

No offense intended Bud; but the chutzpah of the Iewes calling themselves the "Chosen People" when in reality they are the "Cursed For All Eternity People"; never ceases to amaze me !

Originally posted by Longbob
As for Zionism being the cause of everything evil in the world, are you denying that it was the Zionists/Bolsheviks who overthrew the Romanov's in 1917, thereby ushering in Communism ? Do you know how many people were killed in the 20th century because of Communism?

AFAIK zionism had nothing to do with the russian revolution but even if it did it was certainly a good thing. Most people don't like kings&queens and I am certainly one of those people.

Originally posted by Longbob
Maybe you do not define 70 million deaths as evil ? Is that it ?

That was stalin! Stalin does not represent communism anymore than hitler represents socialism. No political system is immune from dictators or otherwise bad leaders.

Big question coming..What does stalin have to do with zionism?

Originally posted by Longbob
How about the 1533 recent deaths, 473 of which were children, 400 of which were unarmed women, during Israel's "Operation Cast Lead" against the Palestinians ?

Is that evil ? Is killing unarmed women evil ? Is killing children evil ?

I know what my answer is, what is yours ?
[edit on 30-1-2010 by Longbob]

If you know the answer then why ask?

No conflict is pretty and war always has casualties but that doesn't mean I must hate jews for killing palestinians anymore than I hate whites for oppressing and killing blacks, greeks for killing turks, irishmen for killing englishmen, palestinians for killing jews etc.

Originally posted by Longbob
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Pthena ? Yes, it is true that God gave Israel to Abram (yeah, I know he is named differently)'... but God also took Israel away from the Hebrews too, don't forget. The Hebrews broke the covenant with God by putting other deities before him.

In fact, God cursed Israel for all eternity in the Book of Jerimiah. And don't forget too that he caused the Hebrews to be conquered twice and led away into slavery again and again. Not once, but twice (1st and 2nd Exiles).

No offense intended Bud; but the chutzpah of the Iewes calling themselves the "Chosen People" when in reality they are the "Cursed For All Eternity People"; never ceases to amaze me !

Your hatred for the jews is painstakingly apparent and for no good reason I might add. Don't feel bad though because a lot of people have fallen into the same illuminati trap set ages ago.

It seems everything was planned down to the last detail on how jews would be made the scapegoat of all hate, while the perpetrators are lounging in some london bar getting a good laugh at everyone's immense ignorance and stupidity.

I'm afraid that you are incorrect, EC. The Romanov's were overthrown by the Zionist/Bolsheviks. It is a simple matter of history. Look it up !

You hate Kings, do you ? I guess your hatred would also extend to King David and King Solomon as well ? How about Ishbaal ? Do you hate him ?
How about Jeroboam and Rehoboam ? Are they on your list ?

Jumping Jehoshaphat ! Ever hear that before ? BTW, Is King Jehoshaphat on your short list ?

70 million death's was the total number of death's caused by Communism in the 20th century...not just what Stalin caused as you incorrectly stated. BTW, Stalins wife was Jewish if that is what you were referring to.

Who said that you had to hate Jews or anybody else ? I certainly didn't. I do not hate anybody nor would I ever advocate to anyone else that they should ever hate anyone.

I do not like what Israel did to the unarmed Palestinians but I do not hate them for it. Unless you consider disgust to be the same as hate ?

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by Longbob
reply to post by pthena

 

Pthena ? Yes, it is true that God gave Israel to Abram (yeah, I know he is named differently)'... but God also took Israel away from the Hebrews too, don't forget. The Hebrews broke the covenant with God by putting other deities before him.

In fact, God cursed Israel for all eternity in the Book of Jerimiah. And don't forget too that he caused the Hebrews to be conquered twice and led away into slavery again and again. Not once, but twice (1st and 2nd Exiles).

No offense intended Bud; but the chutzpah of the Iewes calling themselves the "Chosen People" when in reality they are the "Cursed For All Eternity People"; never ceases to amaze me !

Your hatred for the jews is painstakingly apparent and for no good reason I might add. Don't feel bad though because a lot of people have fallen into the same illuminati trap set ages ago.

It seems everything was planned down to the last detail on how jews would be made the scapegoat of all hate, while the perpetrators are lounging in some london bar getting a good laugh at everyone's immense ignorance and stupidity.

Hatred of the Jews ? Not me, Bud. And I would appreciate it if you would keep your false accusations to yourself. This thread is about Zionist /Israel...
it is NOT about common, ordinary, patriotic, God-fearing Jews of whom I DO like very much.

It's a pity you aren't able to see that. Perhaps your own hate for all goyim blinds you to any truth ? Jesus did say that your eyes would be closed and that your ears would not hear.

BTW, I consider the Illuminati to be composed of the Rothschilds and their peers. If I am falling into their trap, then so be it.

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