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After Death Immortality Without Losing Identity/Having to Reincarnate

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posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 08:22 PM
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In my humble opinion life as we know it is very much like a virtual reality video game, an interactive one.

Very much like most audio, visual games, our existence here follows a basic script.

Like any actor in a production you are more or less bound by that script. You can’t choose to be a teenage mutant ninja turtle in the power ranger video game. You are stuck having to be one of the power rangers. You can’t become one of the bad guys as a power ranger in the power ranger game. You are stuck having to fulfill your role along the lines of the script.

The challenge of the game is trying to play it well within the framework and binding rules of the game.

Its not about whether you win or loose the game its about how well you play the game by responding to your own unique challenges within the game.

Though at times it seems like the rules are unfair or stacked against you or even that its just a really stupid game, with a really bad script and really awful roles you can’t simply for the sake of yourself as one participant decide to turn off the game or simply rewrite the script and the roles and the terms for everyone.

That would be cheating as well as a failure to play the game well based on what the game is. Even though you may have tired of the game, and even substantial numbers of others have tired of the game, a lot of people still nonetheless love the game.

Just like when some people play a video game they really enjoy they have a tendency to become totally immersed in the game to the point that they forget everything else and ignore everything else and begin to believe the game is so real and so important that nothing else matters, this too is the nature of the game we call life.

The two legal definitions of a person are 1. An actor wearing a mask, and 2., a straw man.

The oldest legal definition of a person is an actor wearing a mask.

As strange as this might sound, and as important as this game of life seems, and the people you love, and the things you have accomplished and won, loved and lost, the reality is that do you remember much about your 261st game of Donkey Kong?

When you were playing it there was nothing more important at that time, but by the next day, or a game or two later, you forgot much of what you did in your 261st game of Donkey Kong because in comparison to the rest of the game we call life it wasn’t all that important come the next day or the next game, because after all it was really just a game.

Our lives here on this earth follow a script as part of a game, a game we chose to play of our own volition. We are all immersed in that game and the game is very important to us, and part of how the game is played that makes it a desirable game for us to commit ourselves to it, is we do totally immerse ourselves in it for the purpose of making it as interactive, and as real and as challenging as it possibly could be.

Yet as we each leave this game in our time, in our own way, to our own ends and fashion it is very much like turning off that video game of Donkey Kong and then resuming a much broader and wider game here on earth, except when we exit this game we are then entering a much broader and wider existence within the universe that will in fact in comparison make much of what we have done in this game seem trivial because after all it is just a game.

Some times games can be very hard and being stuck in a certain role at times too can be anything from downright boring, to downright frustrating, to painful, and scary and a host of unpleasant things. Yet the thing is about a good game, you really don’t know how it is actually going to turn out until you get to the end. It is usually darkest right before the light and I don’t think there is hardly anyone of us that doesn’t enjoy a pleasant surprise. We do though have to endure some unpleasant surprise to know and appreciate what a pleasant surprise is by way of contrasts.

The game is designed for those surprises to both challenge and reward and discipline us at times. If we actually stepped outside the boundaries of the game, to the extent we actually connected with our true selves and our higher selves, and one another’s true selves and higher selves, not only would the game of life be less fun and challenging to play there would not be much point to playing it.

Locked inside you is the entire script, as well as who you really are, as well as what the universe really is, and you can reconnect with it, if you really wish too, in fact you can if you choose modulate right out of this plane of existence.

I can tell you though that once you do unlock the door to the script and your inner self, and you then choose because of the people you love here, and the hopes that you have to not exit the playing board, that playing the game of life becomes more like a job, the job of an actor, stuck within the confines of a script, whether you like the script or not, and playing the game of life as a result becomes much less challenging, and rewarding. It’s like looking at your opponents cards, or starting a good movie at the last 10 minutes and then having to rewind to the beginning.

In short a lot of people are frustrated, and scared, and uncertain at this very challenging phase and stage of the game.

A lot of people are in fact so frustrated, and so scared, and so uncertain they are not in fact sure whether this game is worth playing all the way through.

That’s bad gamesmanship! Its not whether you win or loose the game, it really is all about how you play it.

Its important to remember that each and every one of us chose and volunteered to play the game and before we chose to play it we read the box and what the game was about and choose a role of our own choosing based on some appeal of that role and the challenges of the role and the rewards of playing that role, as well as the challenges and rewards of the script.

Patience is a virtue, stay in the game, play it to the best of your ability, if you don’t really have someone to love, then at least try to love the one you are with and the people around you and when the game is over, no matter how it turns out, you will in fact be happy that you played this game called life.

Remember everything happens for a reason, and to everything there is a season!




[edit on 22/1/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]




posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 09:05 PM
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Very intelligent thread.

I've often wondered about reincarnation as well. I'm considering past life regression hypnosis. I found a psychologist down the street from me who offers the treatment and has a high success rate.

You made a good point about reincarnation. Why don't we have memory of previous lives? It seems so incredibly pointless. How else would we learn from our mistakes and truly better ourselves. Being a history buff, I know this importance all too well.

If you haven't had a chance to read Sleeper's blog, I highly recommend you do. Reincarnation among many other things, is something he talks about.

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posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 09:20 PM
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I suppose those who have not evolved their own sense of purpose..

That still doesn't keep me from wondering though, if there are other influential consciousness' working with people as escorts, be they good or bad- s'all relative..



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 09:46 PM
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It doesn't matter what you want to imagine or pretend. Philosophy is useless, waiting to see is useless. Pray to the Supreme Being with all your sincerity and humility and fervor. Pray for to know and love the truth, the the Supreme Being. The Supreme Being is all merciful and will hear and assist a heartfelt prayer.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 09:54 PM
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I highly suggest reading the Law of One, narrated by Ra. Your view of reincarnation is very close to how they describe it during the sessions. Even if you dont believe it, it will still raise plenty of questions and have you wondering all the possibilities it entails.

Short post, but basically just saying read that material. You will enjoy it.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 10:31 PM
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Pondering questions on immortality and life after death is fine as long as one does not begin to view the speculations as facts. No one on this planet - regardless of their belief or whatever experience they have undergone - can demonstrate beyond all doubt the veracity of continuance after physical death.

That being said, it often irks me that those that believe in, or ponder the questions of survival after death do so without pondering the means by which they could continue.

Here in this physical life experience within a physical body we know that it takes the input of fuel, which is broken down to constituent parts by which the physical body repairs, maintains, and continues to function in its animated way. It does this for a number of years and then succumbs to the law of entropy, and eventually dies.

If we are to imagine some aspect of ourselves continuing after the demise of the physical body has occurred, we have to ponder on the means by which it could continue. In other words, how would that surviving aspect maintain cohesion and memory, but more importantly, energisation and retain self-sentience into a post-mortem consciousness?

Before looking at the philosophical aspects of the afterlife, look at the mechanistic means by which it is possible for it to occur. Without mechanism, all other aspects under consideration are made moot, and remain speculations of wishful thinking.


g2

posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 10:33 PM
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taoism is an area where this is believed to be true. one must build their level of chi and consciousness, then form a spirit embryo which they will inhabit after death.

many spirits remain earthbound indefinitely. you can continue progression in various areas, but earth is supposed to be one of the quickest.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by Alexander1111
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There is also one more (sort of similar to yours):

You pick up just from where you were when you died. Life continues on different parts and spheres of the universe slowly progressing from the material level of existence to pure spiritual existence with an unlimited potential for personal development, which only in eternity can be fully realised...



Now I really like that idea, I hadn't thought of that. In would give more time to acclimatise as well.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 03:41 AM
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I like your theory, however I dissagree with it because it's based on choice. We do not have the luxury of choice in death, the reasons for our deaths are far more powerfull then we are, so it can be safely assumed that holds true for what happens afterwards, that is that we have no choice in.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 03:47 AM
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Yes, I share you concerns about number 2. Especially as I have a son. I would suggest that perhaps some sort of healing/acceptance mechanism would kick in , something far more effective than the type of healing we can do while on Earth, which can take years and years sometimes - for example trying to heal from the death of a loved one.

After my Father died I had many communications from him. One was a visit in the dream state (it wasn't a dream if you see what I mean). There was no sense of him missing Earth , he felt healed from the trauman and at peace with the separation from his loved ones on Earth. Perhaps this same saving grace would be ours if we avoided the reincarnation matrix.
Who knows, maybe there would be some way to "rescue" the ones who didn't break free - or at least try to ?

If I came back simply to remain connected to loved ones I'd be living a lie as would not even remember who they are really, as my memories are wiped.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by alyosha1981
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I like your theory, however I dissagree with it because it's based on choice. We do not have the luxury of choice in death, the reasons for our deaths are far more powerfull then we are, so it can be safely assumed that holds true for what happens afterwards, that is that we have no choice in.


Well then you are effectively saying we have no free will, but I believe we do. Both here and after death.

I know in my deepest parts that I do not want to come back down to this planet. It's not that I am tired of being me, I am tired of this PLACE. It's like some sort of hell down here and my soul seeks something different. Not Nirvana, not oblivion, just the opportunity to exist and experience something more elevated which is accompanied by the capacity for conscious recollection of all experiences, at will.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 04:38 AM
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According to great masters of enlightenment when you go beyond
physical limitations you upgrade into the ability to manifest emanations.

Therefore there is not one identity incarnating from one lifetime to another
but you've literally expanded your consciousness so that you can incarnate
on any level of consciousness while simultaneously being in enlightened
realms. Enlightenment means unlimited with infinite capacities.
And if someone is truly enlightened they would try to help beings on all
levels because to be enlightened means that you have unlimited compassion
too.

Compassion is actually the door or gateway to becoming enlightened.
Compassion is also the main fuel you need to expand your being-ness
whereas hate contracts life energy. (Hateful and selfish people incarnate as
insects and animals because they've reduced their life energies and they
don't have enough life fuel to power a human body anymore).

Whereas loving, kind people have too much life fuel for just one body
and they incarnate in multiple bodies. It's just the nature of mind-it's
just how the natural universe works-one doesn't have to get all religious
about it but rather understand it and let your understanding function as
a reverence for life while cultivating your own capacity for loving-kindness.

I've read about Krishna having 16,000 emanations and if you venture
into Tibetan Buddhism then there are all kinds of Deities such as
Avalokitesvara, Manjushri, Padmasambhava and Tara who are
constantly emanating to free beings from suffering. Then if you go
deeper and read about the great Tibetan Lamas like Khyentse Rinpoche
then you can read texts about him emanating over the course of hundreds
of years to help others learn about enlightenment.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 04:54 AM
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Sorry to inform you but, firstly, we need not understand how it works for it to exist like say gravity. And secondly if the conversation irks you. Why exactly are you joining it? Or even better yet, why exactly must we cater to your bias?


 
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posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 08:34 AM
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To the OP:

Your theory is a theory I've heard regarding the "grays" aliens. I can not recall where exactly I heard that the grays viewed their bodies simply as physical vessels and could instantly shed their physical bodies at will to take on another physical adaptation. Anyway you may want to start your viewing of that material to find out where that theory came from. Also, your theory of reincarnation is something "New Ager's" generally accept. You have an oversoul that you are connected with and when you die you reconnect with this oversoul.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 09:02 AM
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Silly humans, thinking they are the center of the universe, and so important that they live forever in after they die. Coming up with creative fairy tales to fool them into not being scared. Nature gives them the miracle of self-awareness and they ruin it by using it as a means to exploit fear and exert control over themselves and others.

Guys, have you considered for a moment that when you die...you just die. Maybe there is no afterlife, maybe there is nothing. I know you think you are way to important to not have an afterlife, that you have to be different than the ant you stepped on this morning....but in my experience your not. You nothing more than an organic computer and when the power is cut off, that's it.

But the human brain can't grasp the convept of "nothing". It is impossible to imagine.

I have been dead twice. Both times it didn't sneak up on me, so I had plenty of time to sit back and enjoy the show. How many of you are speaking from experience?



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 09:20 AM
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It is very possible, one can even say it's the goal we are trying too achieve with re-incarnation. But once you reach that state it's hard to get back here.
It's like trying to get all the water that a swimmingpool contains into a little water bottle.
That is the reason why most people do not remember a past live, let alone all of them.
I am not saying it can't be done, but it takes some practise.
You can practice escaping the claws of re-incarnation in the Astral Realm.


EDIT: You are not the only one getting tired of this lol. But you being tired of this and coming up with that theory on your own can't be coincedence. So i would not worry about having to come back.


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posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 10:02 AM
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There are traditionally around 3 firmly established notions of what happens after you die :

1. You go to heaven or hell
2. You spend some time reviewing this life then reincarnate
3. You die, don't go anywhere, and must await physical resurrection and judgement


who's traditions?

What of the idea that you die...period. that's it, zip zero nada no more. All evidence actually points to this being the reality.

it is arbitrary belief systems such as religious ideas that are the only contrary opinions juxtaposed against this reality.

But here is the supreme truth. You will die, you will never come back and your consciousness dies with you. Never has anything been shown otherwise. Never has it been verified that the dead walk the earth. Never has it been shown that there is a heaven or hell populated with conscious ones who were humans.

Belief is just that, it is not truth, it is a belief. Believing is what you do when you STOP learning about something. Believing is what you do when you are convinced of something, even if it is not actually a truth ion a factual sense.

you believe in god but cannot show god.
you believe in jesus say, but you cannot demonstrate that he even existed outside of the bible, which is not a real historical document for the most part and is highly convoluted, redacted, rewritten and even completely fabricated throughout by all investigations.

The great nothing that awaits everyone is part of your being.

Don't waste your life on empty beliefs! Do something useful while you're here! I mysel;f am building a pyramid shaped rocketship with which I intend to conquer the moon. If I fail, oh well, I tried and at least I didn't spend a bunch of time on my knees crying at the sky to help me be not such a worthless pile of crud. lol



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 10:07 AM
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Has anybody seen the movie The Game
Maybe that's Life.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 10:16 AM
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The whole point of Buddhism is to achieve what you're talking about.

To attain enlightenment is to break the cycle of birth/death/rebirth and to enter Nirvana.

According to Buddhist teachings only by freeing ourselves from attachment can we break this cycle. The human soul is immortal, and we will keep returning to this physical plain over and over, some say that we learn a little more everytime we come back and eventually we will get our sh*t together and move on to a higher existence, others say that only by a great effort of will, such as a life spent in meditation and contemplation can enlightenment be achieved.

It is said by some sects of Buddhism that the event of a person attaining enlightenment is a very rare occurence, and that it has only been done a handfull of times, and I 've yet to hear anybody say that its not a really difficult thing to do.

Then again, if you check out what John Lear has to say about the Greys and their interest in human souls, the towers on the moon etc. you'll be surprised as to the parallels.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 10:24 AM
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I think its best to be as meditative as possible before passing and during if its possible with the magic words like in the Wizard of Oz: home. Your soul knows where home is, best. Because we are creators and with strong wishes we may take a longer route home if we're not careful.

There are many possibilities in our being here. Reincarnation is one. There may be some people who's soul matrix is in suspended animation, and they'll be home with family when this is over, almost like astrally projecting this life. We dont know everything.

The astral is like what you're saying when you advance, though even so its still within the fractal hollogram, and we still have journey left to go. But the thing is, waking up to who we are in source, our cosmic selves is important. Would you really chose to be this avatar versus your angel et form for example, or versus having your family back, or versus the higher realms and returning for instructions to your soul family there. And all our lifetimes are accessed inbetween. We don't lose them.

I've had a lot of contact, in some of it I am called mother and I have a feeling of family waiting. At the same time, I do not want to be misled into any ideas that could trap me. Seeking safe passage, asking for enlightenment from Prime Creator and also, thinking home to me is the best way.


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