Originally posted by Sol12
reply to post by atlasastro
Yes, we know now you seem to give great importance to the synchronicity
relating to this book cover and what is depicted by the Butterfly CC.
Hi Sol, thanks for the reply mate.
Yes, I often put great importance in tangible known elements that seem synchronistic with HUMAN philosophy, ideology and artistry in relation to the
topic of Crop Circles, especially when I compare these tangible and known elements that seem synchronistic to HUMAN philosophy, ideology and artistry
against the claim that these Crop Circles do not originate from humans.
I would expect that most other passionate participants in this topic would also place great importance on the fact that there is an incredible
significance to Crop Circles and that it is synchronistic with human philosophy, ideology, imagery and artistry.
What you haven't pointed out so far is how the author/publisher of this book
would be involved in the creation of the Butterfly CC?
I don't have too, Sol12.
Do I have to point out every human that has drawn a circle or a complex geometric structure or interview experts in sacred geometry in order to show
that they are involved in many other crop circles too?
My point is that the images in the butterfly CC are normal, general and known to humanity. They are topical and relevant to the imagery and meaning
behind the CC. These give is information concerning who or what may have made the circle.
If the butterfly CC contains well known Human imagery or symbology that may also carry a philosophy or an ideology familiar to humans, then we can use
this information to search for answers.
The butterfly CC has iconic human imagery in it. Would you consider that as a clue to its origins, because I would.
If you do not find this a constructive and significant way of discovering the truth, I would be appreciate it greatly if you would explain why not?
There is no connection as far as I understand from the available facts so far.
Perhaps this is simply a matter relating to what you
understand, or what you are willing to consider in order to understand this CC.
If you have any facts to offer, besides pointing out to a resemblance,
that there is in fact a connection between the writer/publisher of this book
and the alleged "crop circle artists" supposedly responsible for the creation
of the Butterfly CC, feel free to add these facts here to our discussion.
Can you point out why the iconic human imagery and philosophy in the book( that is not isolated to this book but an example of a general presence and
meaning in our human culture) that is not significant a factual connection to the possible origins of the CC. Considering that many people claim the
CC is of mysterious origins? The entire CC imagery is familiar.
The CC imagery itself is excellent evidence, and should be considered. Especially given that the book is an example of a very familiar theme in human
I don't see many people dismissing the imagery as evidence when they claim the CC is related to 2012 or Mayan prophecy, galactic alignments etc.
The controversy surrounding the Butterfly CC is not merely restricted
to the question whether it would be man-made, yes or no.
No credible evidence is available to prove/show the Butterfly CC to be man-made.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
The story so far is that "xld-sign" has merely claimed to have created the Butterfly CC
while admitting there was no cause, no revenue, it was not a publicity stunt,
there were no other parties involved and they don't feel to share any
convincing evidence with the world to show/prove they actually made it.
You forget to mention they have a long history of making circles Sol12.
As well as other earth art.
As I have said before, they have been consistent in their behavior regarding their art and the only reason they actually endeavored to claim they made
this circle was because of the reaction to the circle on the web, with many CC sites making claims and assertions regarding the Butterfly CC and its
An army of anonymous posters is active on the web
posting links to the "xld-sign" website.
The 'established' CC community has supported and promoted the
as yet entirely unsubstantiated "xld-sign" claim right from the start,
continues to ignore the facts, and continues to insist this CC
has to be man-made for some unspecified reasons,
and keeps ignoring it into oblivion.
Mate, to be fair, you guys can't even point out one circle that is not man made. You know this is true,
which is why we are here discussing all the human evidence relating to the Butterfly CC.
There is no one element in relation to this CC that is not human in origin. Think about that Sol12.
As I have said before, this is all about humans. Think about that Bro.
This whole debate regarding the Butterfly CC is about humans who claimed they made a CC that has iconic human imagery and philosophy in it.
Dutch Mainstream Media got involved promoting an utterly dubious man-made
claim by broadcasting the 6 minute BNN video intended as if to show the 'making of'
the Butterfly CC, yet, the BNN broadcast merely suggests the 'making of',
in reality it is not showing the making of anything in particular.
It is funny that you are critical of a that video suggests that it was man
made, because all you can do is suggest that XLD didn't make it. You can't prove it, can you.
You have only been given what you have Sol12.
All we can do is cast doubt on that claim. It is a doubt I accept, you know that.
But you also know that there is other evidence relating to the CC and the ariel photographer and a link to XLD, that we discussed on my other thread.
So what could be a logical explanation for all the fuzz?
Any suggestions Atlasastro?
MSM drama So12?
We know humans make CC.
We know there are groups that make CC's.
We know these groups are vague and mysterious.
We know that this CC has iconic human imagery and philosophy in it.
We know a group that has made many CC over a 14 year history claim they made this CC.
We know their claim is vague and Mysterious.
Do you want to apply that logic?
Or should I be lazy and simply conclude that because I doubt XLD's claim then I can believe the Butterfly Crop Circle is not man made and that it
must have been made by aliens?
Is that what you want me to do bro?