Aldrin talks about a UFO in the moon to a Bolivian author

Finally UFO stories related to my country. I will try to find more for you guys.

Thanks for this news, you reminded me of something I had to do long ago.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
and why isnt this in the mainstream american or other "western" media?

Odd. Wonder how credible this paper is.

I would guess it's not credible at all, both Evo Morales and Chavez have complete control over the media in their countries and the site origin is fishy to say the least.

In my opinion this is a cheap move to put Bolivian lithium in the media, paint the US as big fat liers and make Bolivian people moral a bit higher making them feel special by being at the center of something historic.

Until that statement comes from other more reliable sources I will pass it as political agenda or simply as a hoax.

However I do believe that they saw way more than what was told.

They definately saw something up there, probably why they were quarantined(debriefed) for 3 weeks following their return to earth.

Apollo 11

Buzz had a mental breakdown and became an alchoholic, Link and Neil Armstrong still refuses to be interviewed about anything to to with the mission. Link

They know the consequences they will suffer for disclosure.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
and why isnt this in the mainstream american or other "western" media?

Odd. Wonder how credible this paper is.

yeah because MSM in America is credible?

You'd be better off getting your info from supermarket tabloids.

[edit on 1/3/2010 by JPhish]

wow this is really good stuff. i cant wait for others to come out

Originally posted by rickyrrr

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
Oh aldrin seen alot more then ufos on the moon. Domes towers the whole deal. You won't hear nasa talk about it though.

what are your sources then?

I'm really interested to find out what he's seen and how we know that this is really his testimony.

-rrr

Yeah, Aldrin done said things like that... if I could remember he was on Coast 2 Coast talking about things on the moon and such..... it was in 2009, search in youtube "coast 2 coast buzz aldrin interview" I'm sure it'll come up

Originally posted by rickyrrr

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
Oh aldrin seen alot more then ufos on the moon. Domes towers the whole deal. You won't hear nasa talk about it though.

what are your sources then?

I'm really interested to find out what he's seen and how we know that this is really his testimony.

-rrr

I usually post without sources because I'd hope the stuff I post is common knowlage but it seems some still don't know about it. I guess I'll post a link to be safe.

Armstrong & Aldrin: They're here under the surface.

Armstrong & Aldrin: We saw some visitors. They were here for a while, observing the instruments.

Armstrong & Aldrin: Yes, they're in the right place. But whoever made those spaceships surely can come tomorrow and remove them. Over and out.

www.democraticunderground.com...

This is an interesting one, I know that there are quite a few Apollo, Gemini and Mercury astronauts that are quite vocal on their belief that "We are not alone" but as far as I was aware: None of the Astronauts have said publicly (not including the onboard voice recorder) that they have actually seen one.

Nice find

Originally posted by SuperSlovak


I usually post without sources because I'd hope the stuff I post is common knowlage but it seems some still don't know about it. I guess I'll post a link to be safe.

Armstrong & Aldrin: They're here under the surface.

Armstrong & Aldrin: We saw some visitors. They were here for a while, observing the instruments.

Armstrong & Aldrin: Yes, they're in the right place. But whoever made those spaceships surely can come tomorrow and remove them. Over and out.

www.democraticunderground.com...

Safe, or sorry? If you check the link I suggested, you'll see that
this faked conversation from a grocery store tabloid was debunked in 1982 or so, so long ago that modern tall tale tellers can resurrect it and be confident that their judgmentless target audience has absolutely no clue:

www.debunker.com...

Originally posted by SaturnFX
and why isnt this in the mainstream american or other "western" media?

Odd. Wonder how credible this paper is.

This is not news from this webpage "noticias 24" this is news from reuters a somewhat solid source of news, this has not only appeared on noticias 24, since the source is reuters you can also find the same article on this pages

www.eluniversal.com.mx...
www.lacuarta.cl...

One from Mexico and one from Chile, for your information both countries are part of your "western media"...



[edit on 3-1-2010 by Camilo1]

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by SaturnFX
and why isnt this in the mainstream american or other "western" media?

Odd. Wonder how credible this paper is.

Not too odd -- the Bolivia story is a retranslation of American tabloid press stories way back in the early 1970s, originally documented and debunked back then, so long ago that folks who run across them now forget they were discredited decades ago.

See
www.debunker.com...

Seeing reflections of sunlight off bodies of water on Earth from very great distances was one of many visual surprises from Apollo missions -- Dick Gordon told me about a 'light mass' he and his Apollo-12 crew spotted over the nightside Indian Ocean on their way home, and reported. Turned out to have been the moon reflecting off the ocean surface.

Mr. Oberg, with all due respect you sound convinced of something that you are not entirely sure of.

Have you spoken to this bolivian fellow?.
Have you read the book?.
Have you seen the tran.recordings of the interviews?.

Before you make such a strong statement you should at least consider to answer this questions.

But this is only my opinion....

reply to post by ArMaP


To my portuguese friends,

www.noticias24.com is a venezuelan news agency, it is directed by a venezuelan journalist, patricia poleo from miami.

It has nothing to do with "Canal 24 horas" from the spanish national television network.

and

FELIZ AÑO!!.

reply to post by Camilo1

Thanks for the clarification.

As I couldn't find any reference to who they are in their site, I tried to see who registered the Internet name, and that points to a person from Barcelona, Spain, that's the source of my confusion.

reply to post by gortex


While the translation is sufficient to impart the crux of the matter, I find the Spanish used to be sort-of archaic. Here is the translation, from a Puerto Rican-American point of view, of the conversation between Aldrin and Houston, with the Spanish from the website.

[los astronautas reportaron al centro de control de la NASA en Houston, Estados Unidos, que una supuesta nave “semiesférica” los escoltaba al llegar a la Luna.]

(The astronauts reported to the center of control of NASA in Houston, United States, that a supposed "semihemispheric" craft escorted them upon arriving at the Moon.)
-----------
[“Aquí estamos los tres… ellos están aquí, debajo de nuestra nave… hemos encontrado unos visitantes”, dijo Armstrong a Houston, recibiendo como respuesta el pedido de que sea más preciso, relató Aldrin.]

("Here we are the three - TS: meaning Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins - ... they are here, below our craft... we have found some visitors", said Armstrong to Houston, receiving as an answer the request to be more precise, related Aldrin.)
-----------
[Se produjo luego el siguiente diálogo, de acuerdo con el testimonio del astronauta:]

(The following dialogue was produced, in accordance with the testimory of the astronaut
-----------
[Aldrin: “Te estoy diciendo que aquí afuera hay otra nave espacial. Ellos están al otro lado del cráter”.]

(Aldrin: "I am telling you that outside there is another space craft. They are on the other side of the crater".)
-----------
[Houston: “¿Ustedes han conseguido filmar?”]

(Houston: "Have you been able to film?")
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[Aldrin: “Ningún filme por el momento, las cámaras están fotografiando otros objetivos. Ellos están ahí abajo, están acercándose a la Luna junto a nosotros, viéndonos”.]

(Aldrin: "No filming for the moment, the cameras are photographing other objectives. They are below, nearing the Moon along with us, seeing us".)
------------
[Houston: “¿Que los están viendo?”]

(Houston: "You are seeing them?") TS: "You" is plural in this case meaning Aldrin & Armstrong.
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(Aldrin: “Sí, no estamos solos”.)

Aldrin: "Yes, we are not alone".
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[edit on 3-1-2010 by The Shrike]

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
Oh aldrin seen alot more then ufos on the moon. Domes towers the whole deal. You won't hear nasa talk about it though.

How do you know this? What irrefutable source can you supply? NASA may not talk about it but I've never read anything ascribed to Aldrin or any other lunar astronaut. Perhaps we are just reading your fantasies?

One MUST applaud Aldrin for reigniting the dream of returning to the moon...even if he is baiting the proponents.

Just sayin'

= GIG'EM

Go COWBOYS!

Originally posted by SaturnFX
and why isnt this in the mainstream american or other "western" media?

Because the elites don't want people to know this.

Originally posted by Camilo1
Mr. Oberg, with all due respect you sound convinced of something that you are not entirely sure of.

Have you spoken to this bolivian fellow?.
Have you read the book?.
Have you seen the tran.recordings of the interviews?.

Before you make such a strong statement you should at least consider to answer this questions.

But this is only my opinion....

The story seems clearly to be a derivative of the long-discredited tabloid trash headlines of the early 1970s, as fully sourced and quoted in the 1982 report of mine that I linked to. Please read it and come back with follow-up questions.

Interesting he is pursuing what he saw in Bolivia...funny thing about Bolivia...Puma Punku ruins and Teahuanaco (southeast of La Paz if you're on google earth). See what he saw.

There used to be a massive civilization there about 17,000 years ago. Whoever built it carved most of it into solid diorite (second hardest naturally occuring stone, second only to diamonds) with chisels?

Speaking from an outside (what if) perspective; If someone [else] saw a reflection from the earth so bright (and they were on the moon) wouldnt they investigate too? Whoever built Puma Punku had technology that almost no one else had...its shrouded in mystery though so you look into it and see what you can dig up.

Originally posted by The Shrike
reply to post by gortex

 

While the translation is sufficient to impart the crux of the matter, I find the Spanish used to be sort-of archaic. Here is the translation, from a Puerto Rican-American point of view, of the conversation between Aldrin and Houston, with the Spanish from the website.

[los astronautas reportaron al centro de control de la NASA en Houston, Estados Unidos, que una supuesta nave “semiesférica” los escoltaba al llegar a la Luna.]

(The astronauts reported to the center of control of NASA in Houston, United States, that a supposed "semihemispheric" craft escorted them upon arriving at the Moon.)
-----------
[“Aquí estamos los tres… ellos están aquí, debajo de nuestra nave… hemos encontrado unos visitantes”, dijo Armstrong a Houston, recibiendo como respuesta el pedido de que sea más preciso, relató Aldrin.]

("Here we are the three - TS: meaning Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins - ... they are here, below our craft... we have found some visitors", said Armstrong to Houston, receiving as an answer the request to be more precise, related Aldrin.)
-----------
[Se produjo luego el siguiente diálogo, de acuerdo con el testimonio del astronauta:]

(The following dialogue was produced, in accordance with the testimory of the astronaut

-----------
[Aldrin: “Te estoy diciendo que aquí afuera hay otra nave espacial. Ellos están al otro lado del cráter”.]

(Aldrin: "I am telling you that outside there is another space craft. They are on the other side of the crater".)
-----------
[Houston: “¿Ustedes han conseguido filmar?”]

(Houston: "Have you been able to film?")
-----------
[Aldrin: “Ningún filme por el momento, las cámaras están fotografiando otros objetivos. Ellos están ahí abajo, están acercándose a la Luna junto a nosotros, viéndonos”.]

(Aldrin: "No filming for the moment, the cameras are photographing other objectives. They are below, nearing the Moon along with us, seeing us".)
------------
[Houston: “¿Que los están viendo?”]

(Houston: "You are seeing them?") TS: "You" is plural in this case meaning Aldrin & Armstrong.
------------
(Aldrin: “Sí, no estamos solos”.)

Aldrin: "Yes, we are not alone".
------------

[edit on 3-1-2010 by The Shrike]

Thanks for your input, but I disagree, as you probably know Spanish in the Andes is very different from Spanish in the Caribbean, and the place where the most old,( or old-like - spanish with the most not used words by the rest of the continent, so much so that sometimes I think they just invent words..) is Bolivia. Their influence is the Quechua language, the influence in Puerto Rico is English.

Furthermore the writer is making a translation from what he says Aldrin told him, if we wanted to validate this from a linguistics perspective then we should be analyzing the transcript of what Aldrin told to the Bolivian writer in English

Cheerio

Camilo