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The True Authorship of the New Testament

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posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:11 PM
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The True Authorship of the New Testament




Read the following Biblical verse:


And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marveled at him.

- Mark 12:17 KJV


I've always thought that only a Roman could have written that. Give to me, your oppressor, everything of earthly value and as for God? Give him those intangibles that will soothe you. Give God your soul, your prayers and your allegiance. Those have no value to the Caesars. You are slaves and we your controllers have given you a creed that will sustain you in your oppression and lock you blissfully into that oppression.

The NT is full of catch phrases that prescribe submission to tyranny.


Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. - Matthew 5:5 KJV


That's quite a promise and as I said the NT is a submission repository in my opinion. I am far from alone as many have suspected a direct connection between the Roman Empire and the authorship of the New Testament.




posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:29 PM
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you read the NT as religion does,

you select what you can use, and ignore what you can't.


What jesus meant when he said that was,
that everything is controlled by god,
even Ceasar, but that you have to try to fullfill
your best under whatever rule or (religion)
you are at the time.

In a more absolute way,
he meant nothing is from Ceaser, all is part and from god,
render all to god.

The NT in it's absolute level of understanding goes very
deep into what God is.
Read how Paul connects God and Apollo.

(Before saying paul was not a real 'believer' as many say,
even when a plan is humanly made, they still act from a god allowance, in other words , a perfect plan,
let me add that this is an example, there are way more
connections, read the law, read Isaiah, God is one,
he is ALL, and the bible explains god hidden in
on first sight miscontradictions, in other words,
the bible gives you a choice, not an absolute,
on first sight, in deeper levels it explains the paradox of god,
thats why the bible seems to contradict, and the quran , and the torah)

Religions ignores this, to make their own case.


I want to add, that a god that is one, and responsible,
does not mean he is will justify your intention part of the dual level
of an evil act. What is one does not have sin, before it is
one it has to grow towards it, and that is the gospel
and the law. Love.


[edit on 1-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by Hemisphere

The True Authorship of the New Testament




Read the following Biblical verse:


And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marveled at him.

- Mark 12:17 KJV


I've always thought that only a Roman could have written that. Give to me, your oppressor, everything of earthly value and as for God? Give him those intangibles that will soothe you. Give God your soul, your prayers and your allegiance. Those have no value to the Caesars. You are slaves and we your controllers have given you a creed that will sustain you in your oppression and lock you blissfully into that oppression.

The NT is full of catch phrases that prescribe submission to tyranny.


Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. - Matthew 5:5 KJV


That's quite a promise and as I said the NT is a submission repository in my opinion. I am far from alone as many have suspected a direct connection between the Roman Empire and the authorship of the New Testament.


Yeah, Matthew and Mark did author each a book in the NT. Whats your point



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:41 PM
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The True Authorship of the New Testament



The following website covers many of the curious sections, reasonings and Roman jokes hidden in plain sight.


Forget everything you may have learned in Sunday School. The New Testament was written by Roman patricians, among them The Calpurnius Piso family that was descended from one of the generals in the army of Alexander the Great. The family included such famous people as Cleopatra, the Ptolemys, Pythagoras, Flavius Josephus, and the Roman Emperor Titus Flavius Vespasiani. - fargonasphere.com


Here's the webpage. Enjoy:

The True Authorship of the New Testament

No need to believe one way or the other from just a website. This has been taken up and followed through to this same conclusion by well known and widely accepted scholars, there's no shortage. There is also no shortage of resistance. Contemplating what many of us have been hand fed since birth is two thousand year old trickery is not pleasant. There is also resistance from TPTB as you could "imagine".


Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace - John Lennon


John Lennon might have been on to something but thinking "Nothing to kill or die for", that was Pollyannic in the least. No religion would not insure that. It might insure that one didn't kill or die for Rome. "Imagine all the people
Living for today". That is more to the point. Not just those in positions of power living in freedom. Everyone having a chance at that. In my estimation that is enough.

The following from the The Roman Piso Forum:

ROME NEEDED CHRISTIANITY

The Roman Piso Homepage



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:42 PM
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The New Testament was altered in Nicaea. I agree that the epistle of Paul looks as though it was written by romans for romans the majority of the New Testament I find delightful. I also enjoy the forbidden books of the bible. The lost gospels. The gospel of Thomas, Judas, and Mary and so on.

They help give a better understanding of the REAL Christian faith.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:48 PM
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Gday,


Originally posted by Hemisphere
I've always thought that only a Roman could have written that.


Yup,
scholars agree G.Mark was almost certainly written in Rome for a Roman audience.

Christians generally believe Mark was Peter's secretary in Rome.


K.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:49 PM
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Gday,


Originally posted by Flakey
The New Testament was altered in Nicaea.


*Sigh*

No, it was NOT!

The Council of Nicea had NOTHING to do with choosing the books of the bible - it's a common urban legend that is endlessly repeated on this web site.

But it's completely FALSE.
Please go read up on it.


K.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:50 PM
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First off Religion is not about God - - - but about man's interpretation of writings and events.

Interpretations are interpretations - - - no one knows if any are correct - or even close.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:50 PM
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pasttheclouds and oliveoil,

Thanks for your attention. I was a little slow in finishing my premise.
Take it for what it is, a premise. If my thinking is correct you've both
responded as true protectors and servants of Rome.

If I am wrong you would agree I will find out. If I am right, none of us
will find out. But.... I have lived without the Roman shackles and that
is reason enough for me. If a God created me and gave me this life I
will not fritter it away on a 2000 year old Roman scam.

Peace



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by pasttheclouds
you read the NT as religion does,

you select what you can use, and ignore what you can't.


What jesus meant when he said that was,
that everything is controlled by god,
even Ceasar, but that you have to try to fullfill
your best under whatever rule or (religion)
you are at the time.

In a more absolute way,
he meant nothing is from Ceaser, all is part and from god,
render all to god.

The NT in it's absolute level of understanding goes very
deep into what God is.
Read how Paul connects God and Apollo.

(Before saying paul was not a real 'believer' as many say,
even when a plan is humanly made, they still act from a god allowance, in other words , a perfect plan,
let me add that this is an example, there are way more
connections, read the law, read Isaiah, God is one,
he is ALL, and the bible explains god hidden in
on first sight miscontradictions, in other words,
the bible gives you a choice, not an absolute,
on first sight, in deeper levels it explains the paradox of god,
thats why the bible seems to contradict, and the quran , and the torah)

Religions ignores this, to make their own case.


I want to add, that a god that is one, and responsible,
does not mean he is will justify your intention part of the dual level
of an evil act. What is one does not have sin, before it is
one it has to grow towards it, and that is the gospel
and the law. Love.


[edit on 1-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]


Actually, if you read Mathew Chapter 6 1-34, the discussions are very anti-government involvement as well as anti church. He basically says that the relationship is between God and the Follower. Should never be on display as it implies the very act of display corrupts faith.

IMO that chapter backs up the thesis statement. The NT is peppered with all sorts of saying similar to what the OP listed.

Inclusive of statements that imply earthly life has no relevance aside from doing the right thing. Which the greatest important factor was described as "Loving All".



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:52 PM
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Gday,


Originally posted by oliveoil
Yeah, Matthew and Mark did author each a book in the NT. Whats your point


Neither Gospel was written by anyone who ever met Jesus.

K.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:53 PM
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reply to post by Hemisphere
 


Imagine nirvana, mother earh.

Worshiping the created and not the creator.

Chinese philosophy versus Semetic religion versus Indic self worship.

Polytheism vs monotheism vs pantheism.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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protector of Rome ?
no reply for that :-)

actually i tried to help you understand the parable,
and the way to understand something,
by seeing first the whole, and then understanding the parts.

Taking parts out of context will give you many un-truths.
It is the way religion handles the bible.
They don't know their God, but they think to understand
the Law of Him they do not know.



[edit on 1-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by Kapyong
Gday,


Originally posted by Flakey
The New Testament was altered in Nicaea.


*Sigh*

No, it was NOT!

The Council of Nicea had NOTHING to do with choosing the books of the bible - it's a common urban legend that is endlessly repeated on this web site.

But it's completely FALSE.
Please go read up on it.


K.


Who do you know was at the council? Read up on it? There are no certaintees in this.
There is only "faith". And you think there was no fiction 2000 years ago?
One Roman lied, another swore to it. Great! And the modern day scholars and holies
that represent your thinking might just be "Romans" themselves. Give it a thought.

Check out the links, they will in the least give your brains a spin.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:57 PM
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You have to put that into the context of the time that passage was penned. Remember, Caesar was believed to be a god-man. To actually distinguish Caesar and 'God' as two separate entities, like Jesus did in this passage, was blasphemy that could get one killed.

You should also look up some of the passages that refer to the Romans in some very unflattering terms.

Also, a constant theme in the New Testament is Christian separation from the world. That's all Jesus was saying. It was to show how 'we are in the world but not of it.' So give to the temporal realm as it is required but remember where your true home is.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by lordtyp0

Actually, if you read Mathew Chapter 6 1-34, the discussions are very anti-government involvement as well as anti church. He basically says that the relationship is between God and the Follower. Should never be on display as it implies the very act of display corrupts faith.

IMO that chapter backs up the thesis statement. The NT is peppered with all sorts of saying similar to what the OP listed.

Inclusive of statements that imply earthly life has no relevance aside from doing the right thing. Which the greatest important factor was described as "Loving All".


Precisely. Love all including your enemies, your oppressors,
lest you risk your standing in the next life. Submit!



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 07:02 PM
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again out of context,
jesus said :

i will bring love and hate , i will bring war

someone who loves in this world,
will fight, as a warrior to protect that,
and that will make him guilty,
so he can forgive the others.

you free yourself from accusations,
by understanding, which is forgiving,
before forgiveness you NEED to accuse.
That is the gospel. accuse (see = repent ) but release it (forgive = understand)
before it kills yourself (as one), instead of
ignorance, which is the real anti.

in this world CARE (love) will always make mistakes first.


[edit on 1-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 07:03 PM
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Two things a human needs on earth:

Politics for the needs of the body, to keep it alive...
And religion for the needs of the soul and spirit.

The body will die one day, but the soul lives on.

Render unto Ceasar (politics) what he requires and
Render unto God (religion) what He requires.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by pasttheclouds
protector of Rome ?
no reply for that :-)

actually i tried to help you understand the parable,
and the way to understand something,
by seeing first the whole, and then understanding the parts.

Taking parts out of context will give you many un-truths.
It is the way religion handles the bible.
They don't know their God, but they think to understand
the Law of Him they do not know.



The whole was written for scholars. The believers were not reading
they were fed palatable bits. Thus a letter to these, a sermon for those.
Different audiences and cultural backgrounds were addressed and catered to.
For me to dissect bits is enough. That was enough to entrap it is surely enough to break away.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 07:09 PM
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Read your reply,
and tell em what is logic about that.

You cant understand a city
by studying a street without placing
it in context of the big plan.



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