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How the health reform bill destroys the United States

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posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 09:08 AM
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This post is quite long and will be broken up into several segments.

WHEN YOU READ THIS PLEASE HAVE YOUR BARF BAG READY AS IT SHOWS JUST HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO HAVING ALL OUR FREEDOMS TAKEN FROM US. TO THOSE OF YOU WHO VOTED FOR THE MONSTERS IN WASHINGTON I DO TAKE SOME PLEASURE IN WATCHING YOU ALL SUFFER A HORRIBLE FATE WHEN THE GARBAGE CALLED THE HEALTH REFORM BILL GOES INTO EFFECT. THE UNITED STATES WILL BE GONE WITHIN 18 MONTHS FROM THE PASSAGE OF THIS BILL.

12/29/2009

Below is a letter sent by Indianapolis anesthesiologist, Dr. Stephen E. Frazer, to Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN):


Senator Bayh,
As a practicing physician I have major concerns with the health care bill before Congress. I actually have read the bill and am shocked by the brazenness of the government’s proposed involvement in the patient-physician relationship. The very idea that the government will dictate and ration patient care is DANGEROUS and certainly not helpful in designing a health care system that works for all.

Every physician I work with agrees that we need to fix our health care system, but the proposed bills currently making their way through congress WILL BE A DISASTER IF PASSED.
I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following troubling lines that I have read in the bill.
You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens… READ THESE CAREFULLY AND JUST IMAGINE WHAT COULD RESULT ………..
Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!
Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have NO choice!
Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens……….. illegal or otherwise.
Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals’ finances & a ‘National ID Health card’ WILL be issued!
Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have DIRECT ACCESS to your bank accounts for ELECTIVE funds transfer.
Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the ‘Exchange.’
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans–The Govt WILL ration your health care!
Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)
Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps) to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans.
(AARP members – your health care WILL be rationed!)
Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. ( NO choice.)
Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt monopoly.
Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/American Medical Association – The Govt WILL TELL YOU what salary you can make.
Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)
Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn’t get excited about this employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense) UNSUSTAINABLE.
Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll!
(See the last comment in parenthesis.)
Page 150 Lines 9-13:A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn’t provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.




posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 09:10 AM
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THIS IS PART TWO...

Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is EXEMPT from individual taxes.
(Americans will pay.)
Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. WILL HAVE ACCESS to ALL Americans’ finances and personal records.
Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.”
(Yes, it really says that!) Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors.
(Low-income and the poor are affected.)
Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn’t matter what specialty you have trained yourself in – you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that’s not Socialism!)
Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor’s time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally — the value of humans.)
Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for “private” HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e… re-admissions).
Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission — the Govt will penalize you.
Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!)
Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.)
Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)
Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of 2 outcome-based measures… (HC the way they want — rationing.)
Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan)
Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of ’special needs people!’ Unbelievable!
Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a “Tele-Health Advisory Committee.” (Can you say HC by phone?)
Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates “Advance-Care Planning Consult.” (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)
Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it’s mandatory!)
Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an “approved” list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called ‘assisted suicide.’)
Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on “end-of-life.” (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)
Page 429 Lines 1-9: An “advanced-care planning consultant” will be used frequently as a patient’s health deteriorates.
Page 429 Lines 10-12: An “advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)
Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order. (I wouldn’t want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!)
Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again — no choice!)



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 09:15 AM
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AND THE FINAL PART...

Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)
Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy.
(Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)
Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.
Senator, I guarantee that I personally will do everything possible to inform patients and my fellow physicians about the dangers of the proposed bills you and your colleagues are debating.
Furthermore, if you vote for a bill that enforces socialized medicine on the country and destroys the doctor-patient relationship, I will do everything in my power to make sure you lose your job in the next election.
Respectfully,

Stephen E. Fraser, MD

AS I SAID EARLIER, I do take some vindictive pleasure in watching my liberal friends when the bemoan what is happening in Washington. My reply to them is very simple:
"Rush Limbaugh warned you". They go bonkers since they have just been repeating what Rush said and have no comeback. The demise of our country is already starting.

The Mayo Clinic subsidiary in Glendale, Arizona, just announed they will no longer take Medicare patients. Those unfortunate who have been using that health facility will now have to pay $1,500 a year for services. AND THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO IMPROVE HEALTH CARE.

In gentle terms, MALE BOVINE FECES!!!!!


Maybe we all should do what Dr. Fraser did and forward this letter to ALL our representatives in both parties.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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Source for this?


Oh wait, nevermind.

It's that stupid chain mail letter that has not only already been posted here several times, but has also been debunked multiple times.

Politifact

Snopes



I don't even like the healthcare bill as it stands, but please, for the integrity of this site, do not post whatever pops into your inbox and assume it is absolute fact!



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by drwizardphd

I don't even like the healthcare bill as it stands, but please, for the integrity of this site, do not post whatever pops into your inbox and assume it is absolute fact!

LOL. Why is it that opposition to this bill always has to lie to try and defeat it?

Drwizard im glad you pointed out his hilarious lack of judgment for posting this.

to the OP - get your own argument. Don't take something that someone else has done and try to claim it as your own idea.

And don't listen to things that other people tell you....why? Because then you'll end up posting things on sites like ATS where people have already heard the same arguments over & over & over again...resulting in YOU making a total doofus of yourself.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 09:51 AM
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----i guess all the greedy people should have come to an answer before the government stepped in----its out of control. My friend and old partner in building homes in n. wisconsin just got a sliver of all sliver--now this sliver was bad you can tell since we carpenters can usually dig out most with a razor knife. However this was big and deep, he tryed but it was broke off way below his skinn.. S o off to the clinic, five minutes in and away he went , N stiches, said the dock just used a fancy tweezers. A few weeks later and he got the bill----1,470 sum odd dollars!!! for a sliver---- Now i will tell you i filed bankruptsy a few months ago, after the clinic threatened to put a lean on my property, then sent my bill to a collection agentsy---trashed my credit ratings which was 775 for me and 780 for my wife----Now we have always paid the clinic each month hundreds of dollars since we started going to the clinic 30 years ago. Also my wife had government health insurance through the postal system--they mad a killing of us and her insurance co. BUT the first time we were without insurance, since she retired from the postal job, they came after us with a vengence. SO i told them all to go to hell and filed chapter 13--ALSO we added some credit cards to the lump since it seemes they said we were all of a sudden late so they changed are rates --skyrocketed--.--So do i fell bad for the health care system or the americans against it ?? hardly----since we were double billed sometimes--told our providers and they did nothing. doctors make way too much money. Our court trustee said that medical bills are now about 75% of the reasons that people are fileing for bankruptsy--There were 40 people with us in the court and from what i heard from the ones that went before me that medical bills were the factor for their problems------IT is wrong for a person to have his home saveings and credit destroyed because of a right we should all have-When our country spends such an incredable ammount of money on war and death, that its time it changed. Will the country go broke ?? yah, if the people keep letting the government spend our money on death and war instead of giving it back through services ---THE lost freedoms we incur is our fault for living without getting involved before the crap hits the fan---



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 09:58 AM
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So Snopes “checked” this one and said that this letter never actually was delivered.And furthermore Snopes” says” this was not the final bill passed so parts of it had changed.

I would find it very hard to think that in 2000 pages of legislation that any of the key elements listed in the email actually changed or were removed. So essentially the context of the letter is factual except the actual delivery to the named recipients was suspect per Snopes.

I don’t use Snopes because they have repeatedly been shown to have an extreme leftist slant and will construct their opinion(s) in that fashion. They are in the same boat as Wikipedia who stated that Rush Limbaugh had died.

Both are trolls for the liberal movement in this country and will do all they can to destroy it.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 10:03 AM
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AND I SUPPOSE THIS IS MORE "LIES FROM THE RIGHT".

Please meet Dr Starner Jones from Jackson , Mississippi . [see photo below]. His short 2-paragraph letter to the White House accurately puts the blame on a "Culture Crisis" instead of a "Health Care Crisis" Its worth a quick read:
Starner Jones, MD
I am a seventh generation Mississippian and wanted to come back here after going somewhere else for college and medical school.. My extracurricular interests are golf, hunting, fishing and college football.


Dear Sirs:

"During my last night's shift in the ER, I had the pleasure of evaluating a patient with an expensive shiny gold tooth, multiple elaborate expensive tattoos, a very expensive brand of tennis shoes and a new cellular telephone equipped with her favorite R&B tune for a ringtone. Glancing over the chart, one could not help noticing her payer status: Medicaid. She smokes more than one costly pack of cigarettes every day and, somehow, still has money to buy beer.

And our Congress expects me to pay for this woman's health care? Our nation's health care crisis is not a shortage of quality hospitals, doctors or nurses. It is a crisis of culture ˜ a culture in which it is perfectly acceptable to spend money on vices while refusing to take care of one's self or, heaven forbid, purchase health insurance. A culture that thinks "I can do whatever I want to because someone else will always take care of me". Life is really not that hard. Most of us reap what we sow. Don't you agree?

STARNER JONES, MD
Jackson , MS



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by Snarf
LOL. Why is it that opposition to this bill always has to lie to try and defeat it?

Drwizard im glad you pointed out his hilarious lack of judgment for posting this.

to the OP - get your own argument. Don't take something that someone else has done and try to claim it as your own idea.

And don't listen to things that other people tell you....why? Because then you'll end up posting things on sites like ATS where people have already heard the same arguments over & over & over again...resulting in YOU making a total doofus of yourself.


And will you tell me why is it the liberals, who have as one of their prime examples of leadership the only president ever to be impeached for LYING, always claim those opposed to them are liars? The current zero who is president is constantly lying. Yet that seems to be just hunky-dory with those of you who are hidden Communists. I don't get it.

And as for not listening to others, why are you telling me something? I guess I should not listen to you make an absolute idiotic fool of yourself. Thank you for the advice. See you in the horrendous line at the clinic to get a splinter removed.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 10:48 AM
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I have stated this SOOOOOO many times here, please learn the "magic language" so you can use it correctly.


TITLE 42 - THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE
CHAPTER 7 - SOCIAL SECURITY
SUBCHAPTER II - FEDERAL OLD-AGE, SURVIVORS, AND DISABILITY INSURANCE
BENEFITS
§ 418. Voluntary agreements for coverage of State and local employees

(b) Definitions
For the purposes of this section—
(1) The term “State” does not include the District of Columbia, Guam, or American Samoa.
(2) The term “political subdivision” includes an instrumentality of
(A) a State,
(B) one or more political subdivisions of a State, or
(C) a State and one or more of its political subdivisions.
(3) The term “employee” includes an officer of a State or political subdivision.



AND



TITLE 26 - INTERNAL REVENUE CODE
Subtitle C - Employment Taxes
CHAPTER 21 - FEDERAL INSURANCE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT
Subchapter C - General Provisions
§ 3121. Definitions

(e) State, United States, and citizen
For purposes of this chapter—
(1) State
The term “State” includes the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa.
(2) United States
The term “United States” when used in a geographical sense includes the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa. An individual who is a citizen of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico (but not otherwise a citizen of the United States) shall be considered, for purposes of this section, as a citizen of the United States.

(h) American employer
For purposes of this chapter, the term “American employer” means an employer which is—
(1) the United States or any instrumentality thereof,
(2) an individual who is a resident of the United States,
(3) a partnership, if two-thirds or more of the partners are residents of the United States,
(4) a trust, if all of the trustees are residents of the United States, or
(5) a corporation organized under the laws of the United States or of any State.


this is all from;

www.law.cornell.edu...



If it does not INCLUDE the "50 union States" specifically, then they are excluded, see definition below. This is important to understand in EVERY law. Just by stating "State" or "States" DOES NOT include the 50 union states or "these united States of America"

I wish that ALL "Americans" would read the damn code, do you live in the "United States"? NO, I should put that in HUGE letters taking up the whole page!!!!!! You inhabit, you "live" in a union State, an individual republic like..."Wisconsin republic" without the U.S.. How hard is it to understand? And if we do not seperate ourselves from the "CORPORATE U.S." they will take us down by our own confession to being a party to the fraud!! Wake the hell up, you are a "Citizen" and not a "citizen" CAPITAL "C" is imperative.




Expressio unius est exclusio alterius; A maxim of statutory interpretation meaning that the expression of one thing is the exclusion of another. Burgin v. Forbes, 293 Ky. 456, 169 S.W.2d 321, 325; Newblock v. Bowles, 170 Okl. 487, 40 P.2d 1097, 1100. Mention of one thing implies exclusion of another. When certain persons or things are specified in a law, contract, or will, an intention to exclude all others from its operation may be inferred. Under this maxim, if statute specifies one exception to a general rule or assumes to specify the effects of a certain provision, other exceptions or effects are excluded. Black’s Law Dictionary 5th Edition (emphasis mine)

Inclusio unius est exclusio alterius; /inklũwzh(iy)ow yanáyəs ést əksklũwzh(iy)ow oltíriyəs/. The inclusion of one is the exclusion of another. The certain designation of one person is an absolute exclusion of all others. Burgin v. Forbes, 293 Ky. 456, 169 S.W.2d 321, 325. Black’s Law Dictionary 5th Edition (emphasis mine)


When, in any law or statute code or regulation, a reference is made to a “person” it is the exclusion of Natural and sovereign persons or people. This has been held to be truth and fact in all cases.

The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void and ineffective for any purpose, since its unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment... In legal contemplation, it is as inoperative as if it had never been passed... Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principles follow that it imposes no duties, confers no right, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection and justifies no acts performed under it... A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one. An unconstitutional law cannot operate to supersede any existing law. Indeed insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the land, (the Constitution DWF) it is superseded thereby. No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it." Bonnett v. Vallier, 116 N.W. 885, 136 Wis. 193 (1908); NORTON v. SHELBY COUNTY, 118 U.S. 425 (1886) (emphasis mine)



[edit on 1-1-2010 by daddio]



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by ProudFossil
I don’t use Snopes because they have repeatedly been shown to have an extreme leftist slant and will construct their opinion(s) in that fashion.


What you are seeing is the right's natural inclination for telling big honking lies. Snopes is in the business of exposing lies and urban myths. If the right weren't such pathological liars Snopes wouldn't appear to be biased.

[edit on 1-1-2010 by Lilitu]



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 01:31 PM
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ProudFossil


those of you who are hidden Communists


MacCarthy would be proud





See you in the horrendous line at the clinic to get a splinter removed.


Guess ya missed itsawild1's post


Ya don't like snopes...ok, did you even check out the PolitiFact link? The one where they basically say it all lies and back it up with evidence? Wait they're commies too.....better to trust this anon chain email as fact




[edit on 1-1-2010 by Connector]



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 05:51 PM
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god i love this stuff. It's so hilarious to see people fail so miserably trying to stop something that can help so many. I'm not thrilled about the HC bill but i dont think it is evil or even a horrible idea. What i don't like about it is there are other ways to lower health care BEFORE they try and pass this bill.It all starts with education and the cost of a doctors education. Would a doctor need to charge so much if he/she wasn't in MASSIVE amounts of debt? This bill is a band aid, a crutch, and in no way the answer. The system is broken and when they finally realize this it may be too late.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by ProudFossil
AND I SUPPOSE THIS IS MORE "LIES FROM THE RIGHT".

Please meet Dr Starner Jones from Jackson , Mississippi . [see photo below]. His short 2-paragraph letter to the White House accurately puts the blame on a "Culture Crisis" instead of a "Health Care Crisis" Its worth a quick read:
Starner Jones, MD
I am a seventh generation Mississippian and wanted to come back here after going somewhere else for college and medical school.. My extracurricular interests are golf, hunting, fishing and college football.


Dear Sirs:

"During my last night's shift in the ER, I had the pleasure of evaluating a patient with an expensive shiny gold tooth, multiple elaborate expensive tattoos, a very expensive brand of tennis shoes and a new cellular telephone equipped with her favorite R&B tune for a ringtone. Glancing over the chart, one could not help noticing her payer status: Medicaid. She smokes more than one costly pack of cigarettes every day and, somehow, still has money to buy beer.

And our Congress expects me to pay for this woman's health care? Our nation's health care crisis is not a shortage of quality hospitals, doctors or nurses. It is a crisis of culture ˜ a culture in which it is perfectly acceptable to spend money on vices while refusing to take care of one's self or, heaven forbid, purchase health insurance. A culture that thinks "I can do whatever I want to because someone else will always take care of me". Life is really not that hard. Most of us reap what we sow. Don't you agree?

STARNER JONES, MD
Jackson , MS




Good point unfortunatly THIS is the culture they have created,capitalism.
Luckily they will be FORCED to pay for insurance under this new bill for fear of penalty.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:15 PM
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Please, the politicians were so against tort reform because most were lawyers before being politicians. Also if this plan is so great then why is there still a congressional plan? Where is the equality in that? The masses get a piece of crap while our "betters" have a super cadillac plan? So many people here think this plan is actually going to help people, when all it is is a excuse to create more gov't jobs that are unnecessary. The bill is a carrot to make the donkey go where they want. Take off the blinders and see what is really going on!



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 10:55 AM
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Capitalism is not the problem, socialism is. If our country were truly capitalist, then we woul dhave .50 cent gas and .25 cent loaves of bread. It is the involvement of federal government into the States rights and the peoples rights.

This is corporate piracy, not capitalism at it's best. Big box stores running the little guy out of town and taking over. Hierarchy and hegelian crap.

Funny how people don't get it, THIS HEALTH CARE BILL DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU AND ME!!!!!!!! Read the word magic agian. I posted it further up the page. BUT.... people don't understand their rights and the actual law.

Please see the documentary "Kymatica" on youtube, it will explain so much and why WE are the problem and not the government.



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