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Originally posted by Lillydale
Hmmmm....so which is it? The parts have all been cataloged by SN or they were not because the NTSB NEVER DOES THAT, it has NEVER BEEN DONE, is NOT BEING DONE HERE, and HAS NO NEED TO BE DONE. I guess I get confused when OS stories trip over each other.
Originally posted by 911files
Originally posted by thomk
A piece of AA77 w/ serial number:
"The part in question is the power supply for the emergency lights. ...I assure you it was Flight 77, AA 757 5BP."
-AMTMAN
forums.randi.org...
You want to read about the decision on recording Serial Numbers & finding the FDRs, type "flight data recorder" into "search inside", and read the story.
www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261422305&sr=1-1#reader_B002NPCSXM
And even tho the Angry Young Boys will still be dissatisfied, here is mountain of evidence that AA77 hit the Pentagon.
wtc7lies.googlepages.com...
Tom
[edit on 21-12-2009 by thomk]
As I have mentioned before, but to no avail, every inch of ground was covered and every peice of debris was cataloged by the FBI, military, and a myraid of other law enforcement agengies. The North Parking lot was set up as an area where all of the Pentagon debris was taken to where it was sifted through by hundreds of regular soldiers. Their personal accounts have been in the public domain for over a year now. Everything they recovered was cataloged and photographed. Yet some ignore any evidence that does not support their belief system.
The image you just posted is one I scanned and posted almost two years ago. It comes from the same online library of online information as the CMH eyewitnesses. Some people just need to keep up with the times and stop repeating 'disinfo' being pumped out by some organizations. The assertion that serial numbers were not obtained is simply false. We will simply have to wait until the prosecutions are over and the files released to know exactly what identifiable parts were recovered.
Originally posted by GhostR1der
Originally posted by hooper
As far as I know only the FDR was identified
Wouldn't they want to harp on about a matched serial number from landing gear or other hard airframe component? If you've never been close to any large passenger jet landing gear, you really begin to appreciate the engineering and strength of the landing gear, plus many other strong components. And the utter ridicule of not identifying multiple parts of a 100 tonne plane with a legitimate, scientifically proven, normal air crash investigation method - as well as with the WTC aircraft accident investigation sites!
Originally posted by Lillydale
Originally posted by thomk
Long story short:
NTSB does not, and never has, used serial numbers of parts to identify planes. There are other, much more reliable methods, of determining the identity of any crashed plane.
"DOES NOT"
"NEVER HAS"
Thanks to Swingdangler on another thread...
According to Susan Stevenson of the NTSB on 12/26/2007
"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed upon."
Sorry but why should I take your word for what the NTSB does or has ever done over someone from the NTSB telling us what the NTSB does or has ever done.
Maybe you need to stick to trolling the threads you can get away with lying in.
Originally posted by Lillydale
I guess I get confused ...
Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
I assume the same basic investigative principles apply ...
Originally posted by 911files
reply to post by Lillydale
Hey, you are the one talking NTSB.
On 9111 their role was to provide technical support to the FBI in its criminal investigation. FBI brought NTSB the recorders from UA 93 (from Shanksville, PA) and AA 77 (from Arlington, VA). NTSB helped with recovery and identified plane parts at the clean-up sites.
Originally posted by GenRadek
The plane that plunged into the Pentagon was no accident. Its quite obvious really. So no, it will not be treated as an accident. And there was quite a bit of debris from a Boeing 757 with AA markings. Also passenger DNA was recovered. So it was ID'd as flight 77. Question has been answered.
Originally posted by hooper
You snidely infer that DNA can not survive a plane crash.
Originally posted by dereks
Of course if they were identified as belonging to AA77, the CT's would have just claimed it was just another cover up, or the government changed the numbers, or they lied etc etc.
Originally posted by Lillydale
I mean it took no time to get clear concise answers to where they got the DNA
Originally posted by Lillydale
And the DNA proves...? That people with that DNA one existed. So far there is not one credible story of how the DNA survived, its chain of custody,
Originally posted by Lillydale
So they identified people that were not on the plane as well as managed to get the DNA to match people they had no reference DNA or id for.
Originally posted by Lillydale
explain to me how the same plane that made it through all those walls, and THEN, vaporized managed to spit out the DNA. ... The DNA only proves that the letter agency that dropped of this DNA had some place to go get it. If that plane did not crash into the Pentagon, then they had a pretty ready source of DNA to pretend that it did - minus the terrorists.
Originally posted by Lillydale
This nonsense about DNA is just that. I guess it make sense to think that the LAPD is planting DNA all over murder scenes but the government has not yet figured out how to kill people, take DNA samples, and then drop them at the lab? Was anyone at the lab there to collect the DNA. Who know the chain of custody?
Originally posted by Lillydale
No witnesses, no real DNA EVIDENCE, no identified plane parts, no anything at all but radar and FDR data. The only thing they are proof of is that you have been made to think you have proof.
Originally posted by Lillydale
Show me any DNA that was collected on the scene. What was it from? How was it collected?
Originally posted by Lillydale
Yes we all know the DNA survived while the plane shredded and melted around it then created a fire so intense as to blow a hole in a wall.
Originally posted by hooper
You snidely infer that DNA can not survive a plane crash.
...
I suppose your next tack will be to throw doubt on the veracity of DNA identification or accuse the technicians making the ID's as being "in on it". Good Luck.
Originally posted by Lillydale
I never said or inferred any such thing.
Originally posted by thomk
They got one set of DNA from the remains of the bodies of the poor souls who were on those planes.
They got matching DNA from hair brushes, personal effects of those same people, if available. If not, they got DNA from close relatives.
I read that they got DNA comparisons for one of the hijackers from his luggage that did not make the plane.
They requested DNA samples from relatives of all the hijackers in the Middle East. I read that, not surprisingly, those relatives refused.