Norway spiral - Russia accepts blame even though Norway may have been responsible ! !

Solid Rocket Boosters: The space shuttle solid rocket boosters are the largest solid propellant motors ever built and the first to be used on a manned spacecraft. Each motor is made of 11 individual weld-free steel segments joined together with high-strength steel pins. Each assembled motor is 116 feet long, 12 feet in diameter, and contains more than l million pounds of solid propellant. The propellant burns at a temperature of 5,800 degrees (F) and generates a lift-off thrust of 2.65 million pounds.

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Bulava and then Trident I
Number of stages 3 , 3
Length of assembled missile without front section, m 11.5 Bulava, Trident 10.3
Maximum diameter of missile airframe (without stabilizers, raceways, protruding elements), m 2 / 1.88
Launch weight, tonnes 36.8 / 32.3
Total length of missile as a unit with launch canister (with front section), m 12.1 n/a
Length of launch canister body. m 12.1 n/a
Diameter of launch canister body (without protruding elements), m 2.1 n/a
First stage
Stage length. m 3.8 / 4.5
Stage diameter, m 2 / 1.88
Weight of fully loaded stage, tonnes 18.6 / 19.1
Second stage
Diameter (if different from first) --
--
Third stage
Diameter (if different from first) --
0.76
Declared number of warheads 6 8/6
Throwweight, kg 1150 / 1500

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So we have one little solid rocket verses the two largest ones ever made that are way over twice as long and wide. Now lets look at the Main engines of the shuttle.

Main Engines: Each main engine, operating on a mixture of liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen, produces a sea level thrust of 375,000 pounds and a vacuum thrust of 470,000 pounds. They can be throttled over a thrust range of 65 to 109 percent, allowing a high power setting during liftoff and initial ascent, but a power reduction to limit acceleration of the orbiter to 3Gs during final ascent. The engines are gimbaled (movable) to provide pitch, yaw, and roll control during ascent phases of flight. Normal engine operating time on each flight is about 8.5 minutes. Each engine has a designed lifetime of about 7.5 operating hours.
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Just one of these stands alsmost as tall as the Russian missile. All three going at once is the power output of 23 Hoover dams.

reply to post by OldDragger


We aint talkin bout the icbm (and yes i have seen a launch ! I was in the navy) ! We ar talking about the velocity of the particulates !

I just wanted to take a moment to thank tauristercus and ALLisONE for showing how a civil debate can be done on ATS (even if it did get a little heated, and there were some jabs here and there), with excellent reasoning and support for both sides of the argument.... Great job!!! (and yep, Applauses all around)....

(my apologies if I missed any other standouts throughout this thread...as I'm still going through all of these pages! )

*claps*

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reply to post by Sky watcher


Wow. That's intense. The Space Shuttle solid fuel boosters only lift the Shuttle to 46km. That's still in the Earth's atmosphere, so their plume will be severely affected by the atmosphere (wind, air resistance, etc.). The ICBM, in its third stage, will be over 150km high, well out of the atmosphere. Comparing the two is pointless.

And then banging on about HAARP is also pretty weird, as you have no evidence for that, even evidence that it is anything other than it claims to be (ionospheric research).

The failed ICBM launch has by far the most supporting evidence. I've yet to hear of another theory that even approaches that level. HAARP? No - there's no evidence it can do anything visible (and EISCAT is even less-well-powered). Laser light show? No - there's nothing up there to project anything on to, so nothing would be visible.

Throw something in space and it will keep moving until it reaches something to slow it down or stop it. Fuel or exhaust leaking out of a rocket, in a vacuum, will behave exactly as we saw in the Norwegian sky. No bizarre physics or guesswork is required - Newton had the required physics pegged hundreds of years ago.

But that's not enough - some people want magic and excitement in their lives, and believe their eyes and brains over those of experts, leading to this silly state where we have people banging on about HAARP and the like, for no apparent reason.

Still not convinced? It gets better: the EISCAT ionospheric heating facility documented a major surge of power usage -- right as the apparition was happening.

The power surged up to the maximum level the EISCAT facility is capable of generating -- nearly a gigawatt.

Look at the bottom of the graph to confirm that it was indeed the morning of December 9th, 2009:

reply to post by Imagir


Oooh! Circumstantial evidence! In the photos taken 30km from EISCAT, the phenomenon is seen originating from over the horizon in a different direction from EISCAT, so please explain how an antenna can create such a phenomenon, and we can start to talk.

We know how a Russian missile can create exactly this phenomenon, so your theory is still playing catch-up.

Originally posted by davesidious

 

We know how a Russian missile can create exactly this phenomenon, so your theory is still playing catch-up.

Dude, that's it! I can't take any more of your tunnel vision crap. "YOU" don't know squat.

There has never..ever been another documented missile failure that looks just like the Norway spiral.
Put your money where your mouth is and show us proof of any rocket or missile, model or full scale created a spiral "exactly (your words) like the one we saw in Norway.

Here is your problem: You do not understand physics, and you can't grasp the fact that a rocket could not create the perfection seen. You can't even see that what you are proposing is not feasable. Look at the facts, then think (not out loud on ats) about what you are proposing.

Lastly, no one here seems to "know" what this was, so to just attempt to shove your theory down everyones throat as gospel, makes you look the fool.

[edit on 27-12-2009 by SLaPPiE]