Norway Lights a Rocket? Don't Make me LOL, Questions For The Supposed De Bunkers

reply to post by Griffo515
Good post.

No, it wasn't a missle or rocket. There was clearly a opening of some kind.

Stuff is happening and most people choose to remain asleep in the Matrix.

A dimensional opening?
Project Blue Beam doing test runs?
Natural phenomena? (Doesn't look natural to me more high technology).

go here: www.dailymail.co.uk...

this is not a missle or rocket.

Originally posted by MacATK18
reply to post by DGFenrir

 

Your certainly good at tip-toeing around questions, props for that.

Any one of lateral, vertical or horizontal motion during the time when the "missile" ejected whatever created the spiral would cause the spiral to be irregular. What say you on this?

What vertical or horizontal motion? The missile was moving on a straight trajectory.
And I'm too tired to answer to questions that anyone could find an answer for themselves.

www.examiner.com... ss-destruction

I also look at second theories, i dont believe into govemernt theories anymore

[edit on 13-12-2009 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

reply to post by DGFenrir


Its starts whit the light in the midelm and the light disapers and the "blak hole" opens up but the out lining of the thing stays the same size isent that cinda wierd

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter


2.To the people in norway, did you noticed or experience anything out of ordinary at the time of the event?

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unfortunately i was still in bed at that time so i didn't get to see the phenomenon, but one thing happened about 0748 that morning. my three cats jumped on top of me in bed, frantically trying to wake me up for some reason. btw, i do not believe that it was a rocket. a rocket that could be viewed ca 1000km distances apart would have to be really high up and HUGE. so there it is, it could not be a "manmade" rocket anyway. i am drifting towards unknown natural phenomena. but aliens would be cool

I wanted to post an article but it seems i am having some trobule with it

reply to post by DGFenrir


Lol

So the missile was moving in a straight trajectory, where it wasn't rising nor falling at all, nor was it moving left to right, but it was moving along the x axis with a certain velocity? Okay but you still haven't accounted for the motion along the x axis and the effect it would have on the spiral being formed.
Irregular.
Picture a cork screw, if you observe it from the top it appears to be a perfect spiral, but any other angle renders the perceived spiral to be irregular. So unless the "missile" was flying DIRECTLY at the camera, you should see an irregular spiral which you DON'T; it's perfect.

Your problem is your picturing this in 2D.

I'm surprised at the division there is with the spiral topic. Let me throw something out here real quick.

A sounding rocket has a ceiling of about 932 miles above the Earth's surface. They are used to carry a scientific payload of recording instruments to altitudes that even weather balloons cannot achieve.

What if what we are seeing in the videos, that looks like a long rocket plume, is really just that? A rocket plume from a sounding rocket.

The spiral could still be some random, new, fascinating technology...alien or otherwise. Maybe it was a sounding rocket sent to observe conditions of a wormhole/stargate/whatever that was manifested by CERN into our atmosphere.

Both camps could be happy with this hypothesis. Cant we have mature debate here at ATS?

Cheers.

reply to post by MacATK18


My response was to a specific response to a post i made about HAARP not everyone and their opinions. While I welcome "Opinions" too many people offer opinion as fact and then proceed to warp and mold those opinions as facts or to fit a specific belief. As far as the rocket launch the evidence so far has the russians admitting the launch as well as admitting to causing the spiral they simply used the media to get those facts out to the general public. i am sure had they made a post on ATS that many would have not believed then either instead offering numerous hypothesis on wormholes or project blue beam without ever showing any facts to back it up. Also as has been mentioned numerous times in this thread as welll as the larger one, NavTex messages dated 7Dec09 warning of the coming rocket launch in the area the spiral was witnessed and scientist around the globe that have been asked their "opinions" on the spiral have declared it to be the result of the failed rocket launch admitted by the russians, and since the scientist at least have some credibility i value their opinion before I would someone putting forth a theory of Stargates and such with out any credible evidence to show otherwise excepty maybe the fact they did see it on tv or at the movies. i believe this spiral to be a rocket launched that failed in the 3rd stage in the upper atmosphere and produced a really spectacular event. if more eveidence comes out to show otherwise then I welcome it, in the mean time I welcome all opinions as long asd they are not stated as factual without any facts to back them up.

reply to post by Norwegian88


Not really. The outer part of the spiral is less dense than the middle. You can't see the outer part in videos but photos taken with a long shutter speed show it. That's what causes the illusion of the black hole eating the spiral.

Originally posted by darkspace

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter


2.To the people in norway, did you noticed or experience anything out of ordinary at the time of the event?

(

unfortunately i was still in bed at that time so i didn't get to see the phenomenon, but one thing happened about 0748 that morning. my three cats jumped on top of me in bed, frantically trying to wake me up for some reason. btw, i do not believe that it was a rocket. a rocket that could be viewed ca 1000km distances apart would have to be really high up and HUGE. so there it is, it could not be a "manmade" rocket anyway. i am drifting towards unknown natural phenomena. but aliens would be cool

It's funny how some people are still able to see the ISS..
Do you see a flaw in your conclusion?

reply to post by MacATK18

"Spiral" also walked across the sky, leaving a bright blue track.

google translation

The missile's trajectory was away from the observers at an oblique angle.

reply to post by DGFenrir


There are alots flaws in your claims to

www.dailymail.co.uk...



They are covering this up the same way they have been doing it with 1947.



[edit on 13-12-2009 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by DGFenrir

 

There are alots flaws in your claims to

www.dailymail.co.uk...



They are covering this up the same way they have been doing it with 1947.



[edit on 13-12-2009 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

Please point out my flaws and I'll admit them. I'm not perfect.

"The pattern formed is because of an open camera shutter, it will smooth everything out. Hence, perfect spiral rings."

Um...FALSE. As a seasoned DSLR user, I can tell you with absolute certainty that the only way to gain a perfect shot at night with extreme clarity and sharpness with slow shutter speeds (slower than say 1/6) is via a tripod. One can get around the need for a tripod by raising the ISO to around 400 or higher, but then undesirable noise becomes an issue - and too many great shots with little noise have surfaced.

Way too many people shot great shots of this phenomenon with ordinary snap&shoot compact cameras, thus shooting your theory down.

I have an additional point to make:

DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS: If indeed a Russian missile was fired over either Norwegian skies or waters, then would this not create a climate of extreme tension and distrust between Norway and Russia? Since it doesn't seem to have done so, it can only be surmised that perhaps both countries colluded with one another to come up with this tall tale. Smooth, but not credible or even believable.

[edit on 10/26/2009 by nethawk]

reply to post by DJMSN


Okay fair enough sorry for the rude tone of my previous post..

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reply to post by jackphotohobby


Following up from post by captiva


I'm wrong here. Apologies captiva (and apologies everyone else for the camera nerdery - it is related to the spiral photos though). Just to be thorough I popped outside with a DX DSLR/tripod, and got some reasonable shots of street lights at ISO-200 F1.8 1/60th second. So you're partly right, and apologies for being snarky. An incident meter was a stupid choice on my part. It would have been better to have tested with a modern matrix meter first. However, these reasonable shots of street lights weren't uniformly exposed well, the majority of the scene was very much underexposed. If I wanted a reasonable exposure like the Norway shots I'd still have to resort to a longer shutter speed or increase the ISO.

However, I still think the shots were long exposures, because of the lack of visible noise, that the scene is well exposed overall, the difference in the width of the spiral between the videos and photos. The rocket wasn't moving fast enough in the videos to have its spiral trajectory captured with a fast shutter speed.

[edit on 13-12-2009 by jackphotohobby]

Facts of my personal experience regarding this matter are:- 1, Reports of an unknown 'spiral' phenomenon over Norway appear in all the papers, speculation is rife on what it could be no mention of rockets. (methinks ooh thats quite interesting)2, The Russians are 'asked' was it you and your rubbish Bulvara rockets Boris? They deny it was them. 3,Next day It's a failed rocket ! Russia now say it was them after all ! (methinks Oh well obviously thats what it is silly me)Then 4, two days later another 'spiral' is sighted ! Assumptions made 'it's ANOTHER failed rocket ? (methinks this is fishy) IMO Quite clever when you think about it ? To completely prove it WAS a rocket in the first instance give 'em another to convince them !

reply to post by ProRipp

Who assumed the test on the 10th (1 day later) was a failed rocket?

The Rocket Forces conducted a successful launch of a Topol/SS-25 missile on December 10, 2009. The launch took place at 15:35 MSK (11:35 UTC) from the Kapustin Yar test site toward the Sary-Shagan test range in Kazakhstan. According to a Rocket Forces representative the launch was conducted as part of the missile service life extension program and to conduct "a test of a combat equipment of intercontinental ballistic missiles".

russianforces.org...


[edit on 12/13/2009 by Phage]

reply to post by ProRipp


Show me the links to official denials of the first one not being their rocket.

[edit on 13/12/2009 by DGFenrir]