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reply posted on 5-12-2009 @ 09:37 PM by MAC269
reply to post by OldDragger
Dear OldDragger
While I agree with you as regards fear mongering, there is something that is sneaking up on all of us.
Big Brother is watching us all. It is listening to your phone calls and reading your emails and your posts on here in fact if it is electronic they know about it.
It pretends to be looking for terrorists while keeping you and me in line. They are way more afraid or us the people than they are of the so called terrorist that they created.
Dear OldDragger
While I agree with you as regards fear mongering, there is something that is sneaking up on all of us.
Big Brother is watching us all. It is listening to your phone calls and reading your emails and your posts on here in fact if it is electronic they know about it.
It pretends to be looking for terrorists while keeping you and me in line. They are way more afraid or us the people than they are of the so called terrorist that they created.
reply posted on 5-12-2009 @ 11:34 PM by OldDragger
reply to post by StaceyWilson
LOL yeah sure.
I personaly think Bible phrophecies are baloney.
I just don't get why fundies yearn so much for death, destruction, the "punishment" of their fellow people. Seems a little sick!
I am of the opinion that end timers are just scared nutcases, that don't believe because they love God, but because they hate people.
LOL yeah sure.
I personaly think Bible phrophecies are baloney.
I just don't get why fundies yearn so much for death, destruction, the "punishment" of their fellow people. Seems a little sick!
I am of the opinion that end timers are just scared nutcases, that don't believe because they love God, but because they hate people.
reply posted on 5-12-2009 @ 11:50 PM by StaceyWilson
reply to post by OldDragger
yeah our world is sick , but what can anyone do , can you do anything , can i do anything , whos do you suggest will stop the madness ? thread after thread , what can we really do , this info is really sick, it is doom , it is gloom , and i was just like anyone else , i thought fundies were stupid doomsday sayers based on their knowledge , now everyone here is doomsday sayer based on their knowledge , But everyone has got a saviour , christians have the son , others have the jedi knights , others have guns , whos gonna make it all better,anyone?
yeah our world is sick , but what can anyone do , can you do anything , can i do anything , whos do you suggest will stop the madness ? thread after thread , what can we really do , this info is really sick, it is doom , it is gloom , and i was just like anyone else , i thought fundies were stupid doomsday sayers based on their knowledge , now everyone here is doomsday sayer based on their knowledge , But everyone has got a saviour , christians have the son , others have the jedi knights , others have guns , whos gonna make it all better,anyone?
reply posted on 6-12-2009 @ 12:34 AM by dyingtoknowHim
reply to post by OldDragger
As for prophetic "baloney' and gloom and doom, people should spend more time checking the track record of the book you would rather didn't exist. That alone is enough to lean to it's testimonies in time of need. Even people who hate Christ have to admit to the Bible's perfect track record in terms or prophecy and truth in morality and philosophy and depth of truth concerning the nature of men...even that nature that a man would fight to hide from his fellow men. As for prophecies, we could discuss the many prophecies that we stand in the midst of or are soon to come, and the witness of their reality would be the thousands or prophecies fulfilled to date from scripture, foretelling not only the order of the world you live in, but also to the specific date the coming of Christ and his crucifixion. Alexander the great spared Jerusalem because of his run in with the prophecies of Daniel that foretold him. The old testament foretold not only the nature of Christ's birth, death, and resurrection, but even exactly when it would all occur. Even the enemies of Christ's own historical documents verify the validity and fulfillment of these things. All of Jerusalem and Samaria knew the time for Christ had come when he showed up. All prophecies were fulfilled and the timeline of Daniel come to culmination. To this date the Jewish Midrash curses anyone that would number the weeks of Daniel as they arrive on Christ and cannot be argued. All of Jerusalem's learned knew this was the date as their written history dictates, but stopped after Christ came. In 11 AD the Jews' sceptre was taken by Rome in having authority of life and death and the wept that their sceptre was taken as the prophecy stated (Gen 49:10) and Messiah had not come as it said he would (he was already on the earth in 11 AD). Every horrible prophecy concerning the fall of Jerusalem was fulfilled in 72 AD. Also, not a Christian died in that siege because they heeded the prophecy that said flee when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies. If you check your history, the Roman general surrounded Jerusalem and then for no reason fled, as he fled all the Christians left as they knew this to be the awaited fulfillment of Christ's prophecy in Luke 21:20. Before basing something so dire on a man's silly opinion, check the validity of your arguments. Just because you would rather not a thing be true, doesn't make it so. Also, it is unwise to base your life and dealings with God and truth on a man's statement and form an opinion. It makes much more sense to base your decision on fact, and proven, unshakeable truth, proved right every time a skeptic tries to take it on. The nature of a man is to accept that that gives excuse to his wants. Oh yeah, and were aren't preaching fear or hate, but truth. There is one thing to fear, that is the living God, the one who has power to destroy the body and then to cast the soul to Hell. It is far from being full of fear to warn a blind and drunken world that destruction awaits it around the corner. It would be fear to keep your mouth shut despite being convinced of these things. God has left no doubt to the validity of his word. Yes it is by grace, through faith that a man is saved, but God never left it as blind faith. Quite the opposite, he showed many apparent truths to a hard-hearted and stiff-necked people that still did not believe Him, both in Exodus and in the times of Christ. Even the enemies of Christ of his time did not argue to the validity of his miracles or words, they just said he was a devil, or a deceiver, and would not believe, their hearts being hardened by their desire for their kingdom. All the while the Son of God was preaching of a kingdom not of this world, one to come, wherein dwells righteousness. All men want heaven, they just don't want righteousness there, and especially not God
As for prophetic "baloney' and gloom and doom, people should spend more time checking the track record of the book you would rather didn't exist. That alone is enough to lean to it's testimonies in time of need. Even people who hate Christ have to admit to the Bible's perfect track record in terms or prophecy and truth in morality and philosophy and depth of truth concerning the nature of men...even that nature that a man would fight to hide from his fellow men. As for prophecies, we could discuss the many prophecies that we stand in the midst of or are soon to come, and the witness of their reality would be the thousands or prophecies fulfilled to date from scripture, foretelling not only the order of the world you live in, but also to the specific date the coming of Christ and his crucifixion. Alexander the great spared Jerusalem because of his run in with the prophecies of Daniel that foretold him. The old testament foretold not only the nature of Christ's birth, death, and resurrection, but even exactly when it would all occur. Even the enemies of Christ's own historical documents verify the validity and fulfillment of these things. All of Jerusalem and Samaria knew the time for Christ had come when he showed up. All prophecies were fulfilled and the timeline of Daniel come to culmination. To this date the Jewish Midrash curses anyone that would number the weeks of Daniel as they arrive on Christ and cannot be argued. All of Jerusalem's learned knew this was the date as their written history dictates, but stopped after Christ came. In 11 AD the Jews' sceptre was taken by Rome in having authority of life and death and the wept that their sceptre was taken as the prophecy stated (Gen 49:10) and Messiah had not come as it said he would (he was already on the earth in 11 AD). Every horrible prophecy concerning the fall of Jerusalem was fulfilled in 72 AD. Also, not a Christian died in that siege because they heeded the prophecy that said flee when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies. If you check your history, the Roman general surrounded Jerusalem and then for no reason fled, as he fled all the Christians left as they knew this to be the awaited fulfillment of Christ's prophecy in Luke 21:20. Before basing something so dire on a man's silly opinion, check the validity of your arguments. Just because you would rather not a thing be true, doesn't make it so. Also, it is unwise to base your life and dealings with God and truth on a man's statement and form an opinion. It makes much more sense to base your decision on fact, and proven, unshakeable truth, proved right every time a skeptic tries to take it on. The nature of a man is to accept that that gives excuse to his wants. Oh yeah, and were aren't preaching fear or hate, but truth. There is one thing to fear, that is the living God, the one who has power to destroy the body and then to cast the soul to Hell. It is far from being full of fear to warn a blind and drunken world that destruction awaits it around the corner. It would be fear to keep your mouth shut despite being convinced of these things. God has left no doubt to the validity of his word. Yes it is by grace, through faith that a man is saved, but God never left it as blind faith. Quite the opposite, he showed many apparent truths to a hard-hearted and stiff-necked people that still did not believe Him, both in Exodus and in the times of Christ. Even the enemies of Christ of his time did not argue to the validity of his miracles or words, they just said he was a devil, or a deceiver, and would not believe, their hearts being hardened by their desire for their kingdom. All the while the Son of God was preaching of a kingdom not of this world, one to come, wherein dwells righteousness. All men want heaven, they just don't want righteousness there, and especially not God
reply posted on 6-12-2009 @ 12:38 AM by LSDomino
Originally posted by dyingtoknowHim
reply to post by OldDragger
Even people who hate Christ have to admit to the Bible's perfect track record in terms or prophecy and truth in morality and philosophy and depth of truth concerning the nature of men...
Ha you crack me up dyingtoknowhim
reply posted on 6-12-2009 @ 12:45 AM by OldDragger
reply to post by dyingtoknowHim
Oh yeah, and were aren't preaching fear or hate, but truth. There is one thing to fear, that is the living God, the one who has power to destroy the body and then to cast the soul to Hell. It is far from being full of fear to warn a blind and drunken world that destruction awaits it around the corner.
Sure, that makes sense!
An omnipotent God creates humanity, knows in advance who will be condemed, sets up a system of eternal punishment / reward, knowing full well and completly the end result.
Gee, your God sure does work in mysterious ways.
And for what purpose? His own amusement?!
Seems like an all powerful and loving God could have just as easily just made a paradise for all his creation, skipping the big test of faith.
Maybe God needs a new hobby.
Oh yeah, and were aren't preaching fear or hate, but truth. There is one thing to fear, that is the living God, the one who has power to destroy the body and then to cast the soul to Hell. It is far from being full of fear to warn a blind and drunken world that destruction awaits it around the corner.
Sure, that makes sense!
An omnipotent God creates humanity, knows in advance who will be condemed, sets up a system of eternal punishment / reward, knowing full well and completly the end result.
Gee, your God sure does work in mysterious ways.
And for what purpose? His own amusement?!
Seems like an all powerful and loving God could have just as easily just made a paradise for all his creation, skipping the big test of faith.
Maybe God needs a new hobby.
reply posted on 6-12-2009 @ 01:35 AM by dyingtoknowHim
reply to post by OldDragger
You seem to think the creation should be the center of the purpose and attention, rather than the Creator. If a potter makes from a lump of clay a vessel to use in his shop to make other vessels and a vessel to display for the show of his handiwork, you don't fight for the right of the first vessel. Then, O man, why question that a Creator who chooses to reveal Himself and His nature to the universe by magnificent and common uses of vessels of dust. Angels fell as they believed themselves wiser than the Sovereign. Servants made of fire thought themselves worthy of honors that only are given from the one who makes them, so He chose dirt, men of low esteem, to show His glory while dispelling any hope in self-sufficient or prideful thoughts. God is loving, yes. He is also just. Behold the goodness AND severity of God. Goodness to you, if you continue in His goodness...His freely given Way that would conform you to His righteous standard by His own power and grace...and severity to them who believed not, and thereby thought in a proud argument that they would save themselves or claim their ideas greater than the plumb line of goodness: God Himself, so they are by pride left to the results of their own self salvation, which is nothing more than hard hearted rebellion against the established and unquestionable rule of God, who is good and just and loving. Should a baby-raper get heaven? What of a murderer? What about an adulterer that cheats on his wife that trusts him? What about the one who snubs the Author of all truth, grace, goodness, and love, and thereby scatters rather than gathers...hates rather than loves? Would a judge be just that said to the murderer of your mother.."I am a forgiving judge, so go free, in fact here, have a reward", though no penalty be paid and no repair of the man who killed? Is that just? Is it loving? Love would offer the man an out, pay the price, while changing him to be as he should be so that he would walk worthy of such a grace. Let's not forget that sin is sin not because it breaks some moral code that is changeably interpreted by fickle men, but because it transgresses and infinitely good God. That is the standard. Heaven is heaven because God is there, who saves the weak, brings justice to the downtrodden and poor, loves unfailingly and effectually, humbles the proud, and lifts the humble. You borrow the very breath to speak against His wisdom from Him simply because of His longsuffering to afford you every opportunity for true goodness, as He delights to give it. However, make no mistake, He waits until an appointed time, when swiftly He will without flinching or weeping repay what he now longsuffers, as justice would demand and rejoice in. God is love, but He is also just. He will be glorified in His mercy that all men will admit was free to them, though many will have rejected in trade for what they wanted in life, but also He will be glorified in His justice to purge out all that is evil, defiled, and contrary to true Good: Him. All the universe will rejoice in His works and confess that He was right and true and good in all He did, and rejoice at the coming of a glorious kingdom where righteousness dwells. Be honest with yourself. The reason you disagree is you would rather have something that is contrary to His decrees than His righteousness that Christ testified of. You want heaven without God...that is what Utopian ideas are all about. A heaven YOU rule, but you are not good, nor myself, nor any man that the Living and True God does not dwell in through Christ's cleansing and sanctifying work, so then without good, it isn't really heaven. Hence the fault in the NWO scheme that though will stand a moment, is destined to fail.
You seem to think the creation should be the center of the purpose and attention, rather than the Creator. If a potter makes from a lump of clay a vessel to use in his shop to make other vessels and a vessel to display for the show of his handiwork, you don't fight for the right of the first vessel. Then, O man, why question that a Creator who chooses to reveal Himself and His nature to the universe by magnificent and common uses of vessels of dust. Angels fell as they believed themselves wiser than the Sovereign. Servants made of fire thought themselves worthy of honors that only are given from the one who makes them, so He chose dirt, men of low esteem, to show His glory while dispelling any hope in self-sufficient or prideful thoughts. God is loving, yes. He is also just. Behold the goodness AND severity of God. Goodness to you, if you continue in His goodness...His freely given Way that would conform you to His righteous standard by His own power and grace...and severity to them who believed not, and thereby thought in a proud argument that they would save themselves or claim their ideas greater than the plumb line of goodness: God Himself, so they are by pride left to the results of their own self salvation, which is nothing more than hard hearted rebellion against the established and unquestionable rule of God, who is good and just and loving. Should a baby-raper get heaven? What of a murderer? What about an adulterer that cheats on his wife that trusts him? What about the one who snubs the Author of all truth, grace, goodness, and love, and thereby scatters rather than gathers...hates rather than loves? Would a judge be just that said to the murderer of your mother.."I am a forgiving judge, so go free, in fact here, have a reward", though no penalty be paid and no repair of the man who killed? Is that just? Is it loving? Love would offer the man an out, pay the price, while changing him to be as he should be so that he would walk worthy of such a grace. Let's not forget that sin is sin not because it breaks some moral code that is changeably interpreted by fickle men, but because it transgresses and infinitely good God. That is the standard. Heaven is heaven because God is there, who saves the weak, brings justice to the downtrodden and poor, loves unfailingly and effectually, humbles the proud, and lifts the humble. You borrow the very breath to speak against His wisdom from Him simply because of His longsuffering to afford you every opportunity for true goodness, as He delights to give it. However, make no mistake, He waits until an appointed time, when swiftly He will without flinching or weeping repay what he now longsuffers, as justice would demand and rejoice in. God is love, but He is also just. He will be glorified in His mercy that all men will admit was free to them, though many will have rejected in trade for what they wanted in life, but also He will be glorified in His justice to purge out all that is evil, defiled, and contrary to true Good: Him. All the universe will rejoice in His works and confess that He was right and true and good in all He did, and rejoice at the coming of a glorious kingdom where righteousness dwells. Be honest with yourself. The reason you disagree is you would rather have something that is contrary to His decrees than His righteousness that Christ testified of. You want heaven without God...that is what Utopian ideas are all about. A heaven YOU rule, but you are not good, nor myself, nor any man that the Living and True God does not dwell in through Christ's cleansing and sanctifying work, so then without good, it isn't really heaven. Hence the fault in the NWO scheme that though will stand a moment, is destined to fail.
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