An Open Letter to President Obama from Michael Moore

Well it looks like he made his decision.

My open letter to the president:
We knew you were no different, We need to move into the future,You're Fired

reply to post by blueorder


Getting the hell out of iraq and closing gitmo are the priorities.

Afghanistan is a real problem and leaving would be the height of the so called cut and run that would strengthen enemies and not make them weaker or compliant.

Honestly, you hate war, so do I, so does every guy in country with few exceptions. Afghanistan is the right war, Iraq is trhe wrong war. I don't see what's not to get.

Perhaps the media is lax in their reporting of it in any sort of fair and unbiased way.

reply to post by djusdjus


The term "right war" shouldn't exist.

Originally posted by djusdjus

Getting the hell out of iraq and closing gitmo are the priorities.

Afghanistan is a real problem and leaving would be the height of the so called cut and run that would strengthen enemies and not make them weaker or compliant.

Honestly, you hate war, so do I, so does every guy in country with few exceptions. Afghanistan is the right war, Iraq is trhe wrong war. I don't see what's not to get.

Perhaps the media is lax in their reporting of it in any sort of fair and unbiased way.

personally I don't see it that way, believe me, I don't take my views from the media over here in the UK, Id probably be pro war if I did- as a Brit, this article from peter hitchens (who is not exactly representative of most of the journalists/media view here) pretty much sums up my feelings

hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk...

When they say "jump" he says "how high?"

Of course it wasn't Obama's decision. Who in his right mind would do something to seriously harm one's reputation?

I agree with the letter, 100%. But I wish Moore and some others would realize that a lot of people on the conservative side want our troops home just as bad as he does. For gods' sake, man, not all "tea-baggers" are "Palinites".

The country is bankrupt. We simply can't afford to pay for this military-industrial complex. We have people dying in America simply because they can't afford medicine, yet Obama wants to send more troops to do more killing (SAME We Can Believe In); isn't that ironic?

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by baseball101

 

I know a thing or two about war, I fought there in Afghan and Iraq. I say its time to come home, The world hates America, so we pull our troops out of every country from Germany to S.Korea, The Middle East to the Balklands, Africa to Asia, we bring them all home.

After all of our troops our saftely home and on our borders, we then cut off the money supply to all nations, that money can be used right here for rebuilding our infastructre to getting our kids a better eductation.

Finally we tie in the price of wheat to the price of Oil, after all we are the worlds bread basket, so if America has to pay $80 for oil, then world has to pay $80 for a bushel of wheat. It all seems fair.

We let the E.U/China/and Russia decide how things in the world will run because quite frankly we can produce and make everything we need right here in the USA we dont need them we can do it on our own.

Its time to return to a simplier time while moving forward.

Thats one almighty chip you have on your shoulder soldier!

Perhaps its an attitude like this that makes 'the world hate america' ?

Money supply to all nations? Dont you owe China (as an example) over $700 billion? This could maybe throw a spanner in the works!

Is it not the decision of your own corporations to send manufacturing jobs etc to other cheap labour countires abroad while parts of your country suffer from mass unemployment and poverty?

I think its important to note that America is waging war in these parts of the world, as is the UK, for their own questionable purposes.

Originally posted by scrybe
I agree with the letter, 100%. But I wish Moore and some others would realize that a lot of people on the conservative side want our troops home just as bad as he does. For gods' sake, man, not all "tea-baggers" are "Palinites".

The country is bankrupt. We simply can't afford to pay for this military-industrial complex. We have people dying in America simply because they can't afford medicine, yet Obama wants to send more troops to do more killing (SAME We Can Believe In); isn't that ironic?

another conundrum, is OBama pro or anti death penalty?

If he is "anti" how can he sanction troops in a foreign country in which innocents will ALWAYS be killed?

reply to post by blueorder


I guess he would have to see it in a case-by-case basis, in that, would it be more cost-effective to have them snuffed out immediately? Or could they still be productive and produce something?

As for our foreign policy, waging war and killing in resource-rich countries has always been profitable!

*bleeding sarcasm*

It's all about energy and influence in the region.

reply to post by poedxsoldiervet


Wow, I wish America really would do this so the rest of us can finally get your weight off our shoulders! Think, people sorting out their own problems without a self-obssessed and ignorant culture separated by thousands of miles and purity of conscience intefering in EVERY LAST DAMN THING any other culture tries to achieve.

Saddam was our Iranian killer "friend" until he nationalized the Iraqi oil fields. Then George Bush Sr (41) gave tacit approval for Saddam to invade Kuwait. Instantly, our "friend" Saddam became EEEEEEEviiiiiiiil incarnate and was compared to Hitler on a regular basis.

Remember Mossadegh in Iran made the same mistake of nationalizing Iranian oil fields and in 1953 was deposed in a CIA sponsored coup and the Shah installed.

"Kenny Boy" Lay of Enron fame helped finance the TAPI pipeline. TAPI = Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India. He also financed the massive power plant in India. During the negotiations for the pipeline the Taliban were brought in to stabilize Afghanistan. They were our friends then.

Taliban in Texas for Talks on Gas Pipeline

Osama Bin Laden was a known CIA asset.

George Bush Sr was brunching with the Bin Laden family on the morning of 9/11.
Are you feeling queasy yet??


This is a forever resource war for as long as the Military Industrial Complex can keep it! US weapons makers supply all sides of the fight with weapons They enjoyed a record breaking sales year in 2008. Our USA weapons dealers control 2/3rds of the entire global market. I hope there is a special place in hell for these people.

reply to post by djusdjus


I agree for 100% with your pst

A truer statement has never been made.....

You could send a million troops over there and the crazy Right still wouldn't be happy. You would still be the victim of their incessant venom on hate radio and television because no matter what you do, you can't change the one thing about yourself that sends them over the edge.

Originally posted by truttseeker
Im glad you can sit at home and never have seen airplanes fly into your backyard and kill 3000 innocent people. But dont call me or anyone else in the military killers. Turns out not everyone in the military holds a gun, and those who do dont indiscriminantly murder innocent people.

are the americans fighting the people responsible for flying those planes into the buildings? USA loses 3000 innocent. iraq and afghanistan lose how many innocent? are we even yet? so just because you do not shoot a weapon but provide support or intel for those that do, you are not responsible? so I suppose if I drive the getaway car for a robbery I would be considered innocent.

at what point do we just stop showing up for war? the first thing people will say is "but we are fighting for freedom." i do not understand how fighting with people on the other side of the planet is going to protect my freedom and what exactly to i need to be free from?

[edit on 2-12-2009 by Pacal Votan]

Originally posted by Pacal Votan

Originally posted by truttseeker
Im glad you can sit at home and never have seen airplanes fly into your backyard and kill 3000 innocent people. But dont call me or anyone else in the military killers. Turns out not everyone in the military holds a gun, and those who do dont indiscriminantly murder innocent people.

are the americans fighting the people responsible for flying those planes into the buildings? USA loses 3000 innocent. iraq and afghanistan lose how many innocent? are we even yet? so just because you do not shoot a weapon but provide support or intel for those that do, you are not as reponsible? so I suppose if I drive the getaway car for a robbery I would be considered innocent.

at what point do we just stop showing up for war? the first thing people will say is "but we are fighting for freedom." i do not understand how fighting with people on the other side of the planet is going to protect my freedom and what exactly to i need to be free from?

Sorry, But to me Michael Moore is a loud, obnoxious windbag who twists and misrepresents the truth to make money & gain fame.
After watching Bowling for Columbine I give him credit for anything.

He is a leach.

He cries about Capitalism in this country and how it's terrible while he made 300 Million dollars off its principles. Give me a break.

he can take his morbidly Obese face to another country if he doesn't like it here.

We will never leave the middle east and I have a theory why.

It's also why we have military bases in something like 130 countries and wont leave....there is a reason I believe but I wont hijack this thread with it and I cant post my own till I get 20 posts I guess.

See you then..

Originally posted by CoffinFeeder
reply to post by baseball101

 

well, the second half of his letter was pretty much crap, but the first half, I can agree with here. Then again, I'm still waiting with baited breath on all of the supposed 'good things' he's done to actually show themselves. Come on now, we knew he wasn't going to hold up in office, even with his 53% landslide victory.

By the way, as someone from Chicago, I have this open letter to MM's open letter.

Dear Moore,

We spent so much time getting that corrupt bozo out of our town, don't put words in our mouth saying we want him to come home. The further that guy stays from our city, the happier we'll be.

Signed,
Everyone in Chicago

As someone from Illinois and I have to say, "I couldn't agree more".

Originally posted by Asherah
Well, this war isn't about terrorists or oil, it's about gold. We need it and there's a # load of it in those mountains in Afghanistan. Funny how this decision to send more troops over came after we met with the Chinese.

in Afghanistan, god is Guns Oil and Drugs. same with the U.S. , i'm afraid. same with everywhere else.

Come out of her, my people. Babylon has fallen.

Originally posted by djusdjus



Not sure how it falls on Obama. Heck it's not even Bushes war, that was Iraq, lets keep it straight here, Afghanistan is a problem the world must deal with Iraq is a problem that the US must solve because they created the problem in the first place.

I would like to remind you that the problems in Afghanistan were indeed created by the US. Was it not the CIA who trained these folks in order to create problems for the Russians?