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An Open Letter to President Obama from Michael Moore

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posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 12:35 AM
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That's all fine and dandy right now, and sounds real good. Its about where we were at on Sept 10th 01.

Bottom line, say we do exactly what you say, what happens when there is another 9/11 style attack?

Everyone and their brother will be ready to do it all over again.




posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by argentus
Imagine my sorrow at having to admit that I actually agree with Michael Moore for once (aside from the unsupported stats of Al-Quaida still left there).


Michael Moore has been looking into things deeper than most of his opposition, so this doesn't surprise me. He's not the party shill the media made him out to be.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by December_Rain
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It may be harsh but it is the truth USA has been the most self centric egoistic country and so is the majority of the American population. You know why most of the people are calling to get out of Afghanistan it is because majority of these people(who are calling to pull out f Afghanistan immediately)are not worried about how you leave Afghanistan after destroying it but because it is affecting the economy, in the end it comes down to it. You are not worried whether they live or die. You do not care what the invasion did to other country as long as it's not affecting your pocket. That is selfishness, accept it!

They simply didn't care earlier what was happening because USA had money. But in 8 years the first leader looted the country and now there is very little to none so USA is worried it does not have money to spend on luxury and burgers. While not thinking how 8 years of rummaging a different country can be fixed in 8 months!

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NOW THIS MAN SPEAKS THE DAMNED TRUTH RIGHT HERE!

All of you who portray the feeling of " OMG WAR BAD " are essentially only doing so because it affecting YOU!

Let's destroy Iraq, Afghanistan, and leave it in shambles,because now it is effecting my confort for God's sake!
What people don't seem to realize is that doing that AFTER engaging in this catastrophy that was this whole war ordeal, will only CREATE MORE of these fighters that the US is fighting there.

The kids in Iraq, and Afghanistan will grow up in a country that has been destroyed, and will in return grow to despise the people who done this to their nation.

People here don't care about anything really, because that is the mentality shown throughout this thread. PERIOD!



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 12:52 AM
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It's no conspiracy to think that those profiting from both sides (selling loans for arms and loans for rebuilding) of these wars are happy for the world to go on tearing itself apart. With one side being made to hate the other for [fill in the blank]. Reason is thrown out the window and animal emotions are stimulated so that we fight. We'll even fight until we can't fight any longer, while others sit back unharmed and enjoy the untold vast amounts of money and profit that death and destruction affords them. We're acting like puppets on a string and it saddens me to see the hate grown on either side. We need to questions things, start the healing, and step off this Moebius Loop of destruction.

[edit on 2-12-2009 by thepixelpusher]



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by December_Rain
reply to post by KeeperOfGenisis
 


It may be harsh but it is the truth USA has been the most self centric egoistic country and so is the majority of the American population. You know why most of the people are calling to get out of Afghanistan it is because majority of these people(who are calling to pull out f Afghanistan immediately)are not worried about how you leave Afghanistan after destroying it but because it is affecting the economy, in the end it comes down to it. You are not worried whether they live or die. You do not care what the invasion did to other country as long as it's not affecting your pocket. That is selfishness, accept it!

They simply didn't care earlier what was happening because USA had money. But in 8 years the first leader looted the country and now there is very little to none so USA is worried it does not have money to spend on luxury and burgers. While not thinking how 8 years of rummaging a different country can be fixed in 8 months!

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[edit on 1-12-2009 by December_Rain]



great great post..thats what i noticed most in this thread,they donot care that people are dying,kids not having even a place for edu, their war is causing people starve and die..all they are caring is there is not that good health care in usa,their luxury life will end, and their life get different ....
AND FUNNY THING,THEY ARE SAYING USA IS DOING A FAVOUR TO AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ...WELL GO AND ASK THEM,USA IS THE TERRORIST TO THEM..
I use to say usa gov is the problem and it is ... but look at the civilian thinking..



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 01:00 AM
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Does anyone really think he gives a damn what Michael Moore says or any of us for that matter? Even if he read it they probably laughed until milk came out their nose. Don't you guys get it? It is Obama's job to be the final bullet in the head of America's freedom and sovereignty. he couldn't stop doing what he is doing if he wanted to.....Kennedy tried that and look what happened to him. It makes no difference what is said or by whom.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 01:11 AM
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Moore is a silly punk. That's my assessement. Does he have good things to say? For sure. His presentation, his twisting of things, well, he just irritates me. His attitude and his presentation is what made sure in the late 60's and early 70's kept me from being a "hippy". Self grandization, self satisfying and just plain full of youselfism, turned me off. Mikey Moore, long before you decided to be a capitilistic shill for socialism, I WAS a voice for the true things you make mention to in your propaganda.
I was a cartoonist for a soscialist newspaper.. believed what is was that I was spouting. You, sir, are a frau. If you really gave a crap about what you film, then you would not be a big piggy fat ass. Just saying............
This guy is a neo-hippy. He has developed the attiitude very well, but he #ed up. He fell in love with his own silly self. At least the silly people in my generation realized it was all lies. You, sir, just continue to play upon the emotions of the stuinted ones. The ones who hold property, unlike the ones you propose to protect
You silly fat bastard. You've got an audience of iditos. Get fat and happy you bastard. your days are numbered. and your big fat, self prickky ass won't save you when the judge calls in the chips. You silly fat #er. grap a hold of the real world. You ain't in it.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 01:30 AM
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Who said Obama wil ever see that letter anyway.There is proberly a lot of letters to Obama that never reach him or are changed before he reads them.Then again it might be a good letter.Obama proberly gets 100 letters like that a week.He may just read them and throw them away thinking nothing more of it.

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posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 01:48 AM
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Well, Change are coming, and you aint doing nothing.

Next step is to take your children yes, you will lose your children..

UN have been working for years and years to act out these plans..

Financial Collaps, SwineFlu and Copen hagen are the three pillars of the NWO, Swine bit didnt work out that good, so we must Stop the Copen hagen by any means, cause they will take us out, here or there , doesnt matter, its a global thing..

'war in afgahn', yea, I bet you it is done in such away to keep your eyes away from the Copen hagen meeting.....



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 02:07 AM
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My personal view of the war is this: The U.S. does not want to win, because they know they cant. History has proven that afagan is not a place you invade and come out with a "w". Many of you here may be familiar with the war on drugs, and trust me, the military does not burn the poppy farms that are abundant in afgan. This isnt a O.I.F (Oil Isnt Free), this so called war is meant to keep the "average joe six-pack" afraid.

Nobody cares about the war. Osama is what we were supposed be after and from what many of the people here believe we have had the chance to catch him. Itaf we do not catch osama in the next six months, the military should leave afgan,.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 02:11 AM
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quite frankly we can produce and make everything we need right here in the USA we dont need them we can do it on our own.


OP, your statements are made from ignorance.
For example, almost all the cobalt in the world comes from Zaire. No cobalt = no airlines and no jets in the Air Force.

When will you understand this is a global economy, a world that needs peace and stability? When will you look at the "Pale Blue Dot" www.surfacemonkey.com... and realize we are all in this together and we'd better start realizing we need to work together?

Isolationism is what caused WWI and WWII.

I, for one, do not want to go through that again.

I also pale at the thought of surrendering nuclear weapons. They are the reason for world peace....mutual assured destruction.

Learn history or repeat it.

We just surged in Iraq and it made a great difference toward ending the war. So now you think it's a bad idea to surge in Afghanistan? How could you not see the effectiveness of the surge? Have you been watching the news? If you want out, you have to stabilize before leaving or all is lost. Would you build a building for your business and not complete the business enterprise to profit? Would you leave the poor Afghans without a chance at freedom, respect for women's rights, education for all, etc. to remain backward for another century?

We went over with the right idea...create a climate where terrorists cannot grow. When that climate is complete, we can leave. It will be soon.

Transforming a nation takes ten years. They knew that when they invaded Iraq.

Your idea of removing troops from a united Germany is suicide. Why the h*** do you think we have troops over there now? For a vacation spot? Do you want that to take off again? Talk to the dead of WWI and WWII.

Like it or not, we are the peacekeepers on this planet.

[edit on 12/2/2009 by Jim Scott]



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 03:20 AM
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I'm not a general, I didn't go to West point, I don't have access to all the secret information about troops and terrorists so I won't make a call on whats right or wrong here .. or why.

But common sense says half measures are crazy. Either send lots of troops and do the job or bring the ones there home. Half done things are just a path to destruction. This reminds me way to much of Vietnam and I know that one way too well.

This half step is pure politics, nothing to do with the actual situation and politics don't mix well with war.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 04:43 AM
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Don't like Michael Moore, but agree with some of his points, get the hell out of Afghanistan should be the priority.

As usual, though he peppers it with BS- he waffles about "ORWELLIAN"- it is him and his liberal/left ilk that would foister Orwellian nightmares on people with big govt and thought crimes



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 04:48 AM
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I am so sick of war.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 04:54 AM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
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I know a thing or two about war, I fought there in Afghan and Iraq. I say its time to come home, The world hates America, so we pull our troops out of every country from Germany to S.Korea, The Middle East to the Balklands, Africa to Asia, we bring them all home.

After all of our troops our saftely home and on our borders, we then cut off the money supply to all nations, that money can be used right here for rebuilding our infastructre to getting our kids a better eductation.

Finally we tie in the price of wheat to the price of Oil, after all we are the worlds bread basket, so if America has to pay $80 for oil, then world has to pay $80 for a bushel of wheat. It all seems fair.

We let the E.U/China/and Russia decide how things in the world will run because quite frankly we can produce and make everything we need right here in the USA we dont need them we can do it on our own.

Its time to return to a simplier time while moving forward.


this quote deserves its own thread. these are the kinds of things our president should be saying



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 05:12 AM
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Well, this war isn't about terrorists or oil, it's about gold. We need it and there's a # load of it in those mountains in Afghanistan. Funny how this decision to send more troops over came after we met with the Chinese.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 05:34 AM
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This is a complex issue . Smart money says , withdraw , and concentrate
U.S efforts on fixing internal problems.

Tearing apart whole Muslim countries to destroy the few terrorists ,
will only increase the hate .... But leave without re-building their society
isn't good either .... But can you permanently fix a country that has widespread corruption[Afghanistan]....?Just use specialist forces to eliminate terrorism ....? That can't be done without forward bases!..

... and the problem seems to be in parts of Pakistan , but that
would prove impossible to fix , and they have nukes ....

Damned if you do .... and damned if you don't ! ....



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 05:35 AM
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I thought it was a good letter till I got to this:

"because no matter what you do, you can't change the one thing about yourself that sends them over the edge"

So once again if you disagree with Obama your a racist.

More crap spewing.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 05:36 AM
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Originally posted by Balone
I thought it was a good letter till I got to this:

"because no matter what you do, you can't change the one thing about yourself that sends them over the edge"

So once again if you disagree with Obama your a racist.

More crap spewing.


exactly, he started well, then lost it with his usual bs



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 05:37 AM
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Originally posted by December_Rain
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hahaha...oh! but you see the Shock and Awe live telecast was not promoted by the "world" it was promoted by USA. You cannot dump your problems on other..nice try though


Edit to add: you should infact feel "grateful" for other countries who are still helping with whatever they can even after all the lies has been exposed. It's better you don't say that again or other countries will laugh their asses off and remove whatever they are doing even now.

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Dude, I have no idea of what thought you are trying to form here but a couple of first things first. Why should I feel grateful to any other countries for helping? Everyone committed to Afghanistan, nobody committed to Iraq without payment.

No one is dumping any problems anywhere and I have no idea where you gleaned that from my post. Noting that Afghanistan needs to be dealt with is not dumping problems on any one.

The shock and awe broadcast is about Iraq, Afghanistan is a sniff and scurry job and always has been.

Anyway, get your facts straight please.



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