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Originally posted by Muckster
I guess for me, as someone who openly admits to not fully understanding all the science, i look at it the same way as i look at the history of smoking!!
For years smoking was promoted, even by doctors in the early years! And when people first started to provide evidence for the negative health implications of smoking there was uproar! People refused point blank to believe it. We even had scientist (mainly funded by the tobacco giants) step forward and provide warped statistics and data to counter claim the health implications.
So i ask... is it worth the risk???
Will it REALLY hurt people so much to drive an electric car??? With almost 80% of the world’s population living in poverty or near poverty... is this the BIGGEST injustice you can think of???
Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
I need to go find that program that changes we-pages into PDF's. Yet more proof that AGW is a religion and not science.
As long as the Church of Climatology keeps calling people that fail to believe in your religion "deniers" you aren't ever going to get a rational debate out of the whole deal.
Man I really hope Al Gore and the lot of them end up going to prison for what they have done to people. At first when the leak came out I laughed, now I actually feel bad for the AGW fanatics.
The fact is CRU's raw data has been thrown in the trash. The fact is without the raw data the only data that exist is the adjusted data from the now discredited "scientist". AGW isn't even a theory, it is a discredited hypothesis. The amount of collusion it took for it to even get to point where it is now is down right insane.
Then when you look at the fact that the CRU has the worlds largest collection of data that has been "trashed" and is the basis for thousands of papers the whole field of Climatology has been set back decades.
Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
The people who are trying to make us aware of our carbon footprint,and are trying to tax the skin off us because of global warming are driving round the place in armoured motorcades,allowing the dumping of radio active waste in the third world,and flying about in private jets.
So why the hell should we believe a damned word they say?
Now I am all for preserving the planet for future generations,but how is paying massive taxes to corrupt governments going to preserve anything other that their own filthy rich bank balances?
Look at the last economic disaster these people created for us all-that was after we gave them all our tax money for generations and they still manage to cock it up...
It will be the same with the climate-we will lovingly give our money to the utter bastards who control this world thinking they will save us,only to find out a few years from now they have spent/lost/stolen all the money and the planets in a worse state than before.
But the elite will be richer.Surprise surprise!!
[edit on 30/11/2009 by Silcone Synapse]
You say there was even a scientist who provided warped statistics and data in an attempt to protect the profits of big business? Now that we have proof the same thing has happened with agw(man-made is the stresser) and your still willing to believe what they told you anyways? There is proof that the data was manipulated but your still willing to go with it?
And no it won't hurt that much to drive an electric car, but then why aren't they affordable here? And what ever happened to the electric street cars? and trolleys? those were all electric but you don't see anybody talking about that.
I think we are all tired of being lied to, and manipulated by the government, which has been clearly shown to be the case(or by the UN IPCC in this case, which will be the world's government if people like you have their way).
Lol a religion?? I think you're projecting, man. Scientific consensus for man-made global warming is the opposite of a religion.
STOP F*CKING TALKING ABOUT CARBON TAXES.
It seems like that's all you've got.
Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by NoHierarchy
I can go find 10 million people that all believe in a different GOD and they will argue to the death about how he exist. Does that make it true?
Your scientific "consensus" is just that, a bunch of "scientist" that say AGW is happening. They have no proof or evidence, they just "say" that it is happening and you lap it up. Sounds like a religion to me.
Then you have another person that just said something along the line of not needing the scientist to know that "something" is happening. This person can "feel" it, and just knows "morally".
Sounds like religion to me.
[edit on 1-12-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]
Originally posted by NoHierarchy
I present to you the very well researched and soberingly scientific video-blog series "Climate Crock of the Week" by Peter Sinclair.
If you consider yourself a real seeker of truth and respect sound science, then no matter your position on the subject, please be open minded to the facts/material presented. On the mountain of truth you never climb in vain...