9/11. My take on it.

Everyone is divided on what happened on 911. This is my humble opinion as to what I believe happened, agree with it or not I respect your side regardless of where you stand and what your opinion is. I believe that the explanation provided by the government simply falls short of decisive proof to back up their claim or, explanation. First I find it hard to believe that some of the terrorists could fly an airliner good enough to pull off the approach to the Pentagon when there is official statements made by professional aircraft instructors who actually had these terrorists in their flight classes, that they couldn't even fly a small aircraft let alone an aircraft the size of the ones used on 911. Also the in flight turn to approach the Pentagon at the angle & speed the government's explanation cites is all but impossible.

A family friend who flys for AA also believes this is fantasy at best and negligent at worst as he told me about those airliners, "you just don't fly a 757 or 767 that way". He told me it is the same difference as trying to turn around a Grey Hound bus in the same circle as a Ford Pinto...it simply cannot be done. The Pentagon camera that we have all seen as provided to the media is simply a sham. My cameras here at my farm can perform better than that, I can zoom in and freeze any cams at will and the image is sharp & crisp even when blown up. Now, I have a difficult time in comprehending that our government, at their military headquarters building where at one time in history it was targeted by Soviet ICBMs is equipped with a surveillance camera system that is no better than the ones at any Wal Mart. I mean come on! Even when slowed down the frames of this video have obviously been altered and it don;t take a video forensic specialist to determine that, it just takes looking at the video to see that all is not there.

If that isn't enough, from all of the videos I have watched that come from actual news footage on that day and immediately afterwards, firemen, police officers and many people state they heard explosions as if the building was being imploded. I would tend to believe that if firemen & police officers, who are trained professionals and know what an actual explosion sounds like (not gunshots etc) says that is what they heard, then that is what they heard! It also boggles the mind that despite what many respected and knowledgable Architechs have stated about the buildings falling on that day in free fall speed/manner suggesting that devices inside the towers were pretty much the cause of this, that no one in any official capacity from any intelligence or fed law agency has ever found that to be suspicious enough to look into it. I mean, if the Taliban made a statement on CNN that "we are responsible for 911" then they would be all over it yet, it begs me to question the integrity of those who have the authority & power to look into these events and perhaps get to the bottom of what really happened when they steadfastly remain silent. Even some friends of mine who work for the Fed-Gov believe there is much more than meets the eye regarding the events on 911, one of my friends who works in the intelligence field who told me in no uncertain wording that he and others he works with believes that the government isn't telling the whole truth about what they know. I also find it strange that the "men on the roof" were never investigated to the degree that they should have been which leads me into considering the isreali connection to 911. For a layman such as myself, I'm savvy enough to ask what are the odds that a bunch of Mossad personnel would end up on the roof of a building with a camera on the same day as 911 and just happen to be filming?
There are more aspects about 911 that don't add up and it isn't a matter of cross coincidences intertwined with a few facts that can just be deemed "clerical errors". It is a series of explanations that continue to be easily proved incorrect & suspicious.

[edit on 28-11-2009 by mikelee]

Note- Be nice if you could separate some of your writing. Hard to read. Thanks.

You bring up some legit questions. But no matter how the government answers the questions, it will still never satisfy everybody.

9/11 will always be a conspiracy no matter what.

I still think their should be a new investigation. But instead of US officials investigating, they should bring in some impartial individuals who are qualified in avionics, engineering, and other areas that would be essential to completing a thorough investigation.

Yes, sorry about the spacing. I noticed it only after posting it, I'll be more careful next time. Semper Fi!!

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Ya, hard to follow... you can still click 'edit' though and break it into paragraphs... too much time on screens for me....hard to read.

can you tell me the gist of it?

My opinion is that Santa Claus and his reindeer crashed into the Pentagon.....the hole isn't big enough for a plane, but that fat old dude on a sleigh sure could have fit in there perfectly...

PEACE and LOVE...

Originally posted by TrueTruth
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Ya, hard to follow... you can still click 'edit' though and break it into paragraphs... too much time on screens for me....hard to read.

can you tell me the gist of it?

I went in and spaced it out. I really apologize for that!!

Maybe an investigation into 9/11 will happen in the future, but definitely not any time soon.

I also believe that Israel had some part in the events that transpired on 9/11. But as you and I know, we shouldn't expect any real investigation to be done here

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So, are you looking for a new investigation, explanation for what you posted, or what?

How do you propose we get to the truth, as much truth as possible that is?

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Thanks for that. I read it now.

I'll pick up with the last part - the Israeli connection.

From what I've read, the Israelis warned us more than once that an attack was coming. Several countries did actually. This to me is the strongest bit of evidence that there was advance knowledge of the event. I believe the guys on the roof worked for the Mossad. They actually went on Israeli television later on, and said they were there to record the event.

Now, maybe they were just in the area, and started filming after it happened. Could well be, and could be that they were just regular folks.

I don't see why they'd try so hard to warn us if they were the ones behind the attack.

With all the warnings we got, it is highly suspect to me that we seemed to do absolutely nothing about it, and that investigations into OBL and the Bin Ladens in general were being roadblocked at every turn.

I avoid all the forensic stuff, like evidence of explosives, or the particulars of the planes. As Mike Ruppert said, when a case in court comes down to forensic evidence, the side with the most money tends to win - and that ain't us.

It may well be that something fishy was going on with the planes, but I'm not sure that's a productive line of pursuit - many criminals cases are successfully prosecuted without ever knowing exactly how a criminal did the deed, just by gathering human intel - ie, people spilling the beans.


Here's a quality link about the warnings:

www.historycommons.org...



peace!

Could it be tied into some Illuminati ritual? Or maybe even Jesus's actual birthday?

According to the Catholic church's official commentary on the New Testament, Fitzmyer speculates that Jesus was born on Sept. 11, 3 BCE.

(you can start here: answers.yahoo.com...)

[edit on 29-11-2009 by Alethea]

The real conspiracy behind 9-11 does not concern whether Al Qaida, big foot, or UFO's crashed the planes into the towers, it is how people blatantly capitalized on 9-11 to push their pet projects forward. The real conspiracy is how the American population turned a blind eye to obvious problems like its dependence on foreign oil to fuel gas guzzling cars, and focussed on imaginary propblems like Sadam Hussein's "aliance" with Osama Bin Laden. The real conspiracy is how America did more harm to itself by its foolishness than a thousand planes crashing into a thousand sky scrapers could ever do.

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I've always suspected that while the CIA isn't supposed to conduct ops here in CONUS that they allow Mossad to and vice versa. That would explain some things.

Nice link too, thanks. Star to ya!

Originally posted by mikelee
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I've always suspected that while the CIA isn't supposed to conduct ops here in CONUS that they allow Mossad to and vice versa. That would explain some things.

Nice link too, thanks. Star to ya!

Indeed - kinda like the echelon project...countries getting around the restrictions on spying on their own populace by having allies do it for them, then sneak them the info.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
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I believe the guys on the roof worked for the Mossad. They actually went on Israeli television later on, and said they were there to record the event.

Now, maybe they were just in the area, and started filming after it happened. Could well be, and could be that they were just regular folks.

"Regular folks" don't drive phony moving vans packed with "tons of explosives."

"Regular folks" aren't arrested for plotting to blow up the George Washington Bridge, held for months in an FBI dungeon and given dozens of polygraph tests (all failed.)

Arresting police don't claim that "regular folks" had advance knowledge and were hooked in to the 9/11 terrorist attacks based on circled maps, phony passports, large amounts of cash, box cutters and other evidence seized from the "regular folks."
But congratulations for even knowing about the dancing Israelis. Most people don't.

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The van the Israeli guys were in did not have any explosives in it. That story is false. I've heard the story, tried to vet it, and can find no credible evidence.

Further, please answer my question:

What sense does it make for them to try to warn us, repeatedly, about an attack they themselves were executing? It's illogical.

It's much more logical to me that they were simply aware of the attack, and recorded it for posterity.

Dancing men


CBS news, men in van

"Yet there were so many warnings—from both our friends and enemies alike"

With regards to the warnings, why would your enemy warn you of such an event? Also, the History Commons article refers to several mainstream media outlets as "respected publications." Yeah, the same respected publications which lied through their teeth and played head cheerleader in the lead up to the illegal Iraq War.

It appears these advanced warning reports and stories only serve the purpose of giving credibility to a highly suspect official story. Let's hang the intelligence agencies out to dry to protect this valuable work of verbal and literary fiction. Is there anybody in charge who hasn't been depicted as an incompetent fool on that day?

Amazing what you can get away with by playing stupid - especially if your target audience lacks even the minimum amount of intelligence.

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Why would our enemy warn us? That's backwards, and it's a textbook example of the 'begging the question' logical fallacy, whereby the conclusion is embedded in the question - such as in the famous example. "have you stopped beating your wife?". To get to the truth, you work from evidence first, then to conclusions. You've got it bass ackwards.

As far as the news sources.... there's many of them. And I'm soooo very tired of the crowd who has it in their head that this conspiracy is SO very vast, that every reporter in every paper is lying for Israel. It's nonsense, and will remain such until you prove to me those stories were all written by agents.

And you really believe that the intelligence agencies of Afghanistan, Argentina, Britain, Cayman Islands, Egypt, France, Germany, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Morocco, and Russia... were all ALSO secretly feeding us bogus info on behalf of Israel? Gimmie a break.



You just go ahead and believe what you want to believe. You clearly have your mind made up already.



sigh.

Originally posted by jam321
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So, are you looking for a new investigation, explanation for what you posted, or what?

How do you propose we get to the truth, as much truth as possible that is?

Calling for a new investigation would be useless in my opinion. I believe that nothing was documented or otherwise byt hose involved, rather just a series of conversations, nods and actions that were predetermined to cause the effect (incident)

An explanation? No, just my take on it as the thread title indicated.

Or what? I just came upon ATS a few months ago and its nice to have a forum where others share my like opinions, thoughts and perspectives on things or, not. Its nice to be able to chat with those of the same thinking and debate respctfully with those who share a different point of few. Thats all.

I've been scanning a few of the 9/11 stories on here, and so far everything seems to be either official story or no hijackers. What about this scenario:

The government intercepts a plot to crash planes into the WTC, the Pentagon and the White House. Instead of taking precautionary measures, they plant explosives in the WTC and the Pentagon and make sure that the plane headed for the White House won't make it. Then they wait for the extremists to execute the attack, and when they do they pull the pin on the explosives and lead us off to war.

I think this would explain a few things such as
a) the pentagon exploding without a plane hitting it
-the information that was intercepted was less than 100% correct, there was some confusion and someone blew it up prematurely.
b) NORAD running an exercise involving hijacked planes at the same time
-They had already invested so much energy into planting the explosives that they needed to have a backup plan if the extremists chickened out. One way or another those buildings were going to be hit by planes.

Thoughts on why this may or may not be the case?