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Two NATO commanders wore Nazi regalia in Afghanistan

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posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 06:29 AM
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Two NATO commanders wore Nazi regalia in Afghanistan
It has just been discovered that two commanders of the Czech military working under NATO command used Nazi symbols on their helmets during their deployment in Afghanistan.

The story was made public after Czech police serving in Afghanistan reported the case, the Russia Today website reported on Tuesday.

According to the daily Mlada fronta Dnes, the soldiers, identified as Hynek Matonoha and Jan Cermak, wore the symbols of the 9th SS panzer division Hohenstaufen and the SS Dirlewanger brigade respectively, which were probably the most infamous SS combat units of World War II.

Unaware of their sordid actions, Czech Defense Minister Martin Bartak decorated the soldiers for bravery on Friday after their return from Afghanistan.

Later, the minister said that at the time, he had not yet learned about the helmet controversy, which has caused quite a stir among the country's armed forces.

A specialist in extremism, Michal Mazel, has rejected the excuse given by one of the men, who said that he had unintentionally used the symbols.

“He is an elite troop who graduated from university, he is no teenager. The SS symbols on their helmets show a totally perverse view of the world of the NATO military's elite troop,” Russia Today quoted Mazel as saying.

Anti-violence activists say the case with the soldiers is nothing new for the Czech Republic.

“There were several attacks on Roma and other communities in recent years, and these problems in our army, of course, shocked all Czech people,” said Ivona Novomestska, spokesperson for an anti-violence movement.

Petr Prochazka, the commander of the Czech contingent in Afghanistan's Logar province, had ordered that any photographs showing the controversial helmet covers be burnt.

After the facts came out, the commanders were immediately suspended, and they will be facing disciplinary action for their conduct.





I hope that the Afghan people don't realize what these symbols actually mean. Nato and the western allies have squandered any hope of goodwill from the Afghan people.

Here in Canada, a scandal has developed that Afghan detainees who were transferred to Afghan prisons were tortured:




All detainees transferred by Canadians to Afghan prisons were likely tortured by Afghan officials and many of the prisoners were innocent, says a former senior diplomat with Canada's mission in Afghanistan. Appearing before a House of Commons committee Wednesday, Richard Colvin blasted the detainees policies of Canada and compared them with the policies of the British and the Netherlands. The detainees were captured by Canadian soldiers then handed over to the Afghan intelligence service, called the NDS.




He said the most common forms of torture were beatings, whipping with power cables, the use of electricity, knives, open flames and rape.


source: All Afghan detainees likely tortured: diplomat

I don't understand why these Czech soldiers are wearing Nazi symbols on their uniforms. Have they not read their history books? The Czech people suffered greatly at the hands of the Nazis during WWII.

The Czech resistance were responsible for the assassination of the Nazi monster Reinhard Heydrich who was the true architect and brain behind the concept of the future Nazi SS state. The Czech civilians suffered greatly for it:



On May 27, 1942, SS Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich, Deputy Reich Protector of Bohemia and Moravia, had been attacked in Prague by Free Czech agents who were trained in England and brought to Czechoslovakia to assassinate him.

They shot at Heydrich as his car slowed to round a sharp turn, then threw a bomb which exploded, mortally wounding him. Heydrich managed to get out of the car, draw his pistol and shoot back at the assassins before collapsing in the street. Heydrich survived for several days, but died on June 4 from blood poisoning brought on by fragments of auto upholstery, steel, and his own uniform that had lodged in his spleen.

In Berlin, the Nazis staged a highly elaborate funeral with Hitler calling Heydrich "the man with the iron heart." See also: Biography of Reinhard Heydrich Meanwhile the Gestapo and SS hunted down and murdered Czech agents, resistance members, and anyone suspected of being involved in Heydrich's death, totaling over 1000 persons.

In addition, 3000 Jews were deported from the ghetto at Theresienstadt for extermination. In Berlin 500 Jews were arrested, with 152 executed as a reprisal on the day of Heydrich's death.

As a further reprisal, Hitler ordered the small Czech mining village of Lidice to be liquidated on the fake charge that it had aided the assassins. In one of the most infamous single acts of World War Two, all 172 men and boys over age 16 in the village were shot while the women were deported to Ravensbrück concentration camp where most died. Ninety young children were sent to the concentration camp at Gneisenau, with some taken later to Nazi orphanages if they were German looking.

The village of Lidice was then destroyed building by building with explosives, then completely leveled until not a trace remained, with grain being planted over the flattened soil. The name was then removed from all German maps.


How soon they forget.

Ironic.

These Nazi symbols seem to be symptomatic of a larger problem developing in the Czech republic. The persecution of Czech Roma, who were also persecuted and murdered by the Nazis. This is causing a massive rise in refugee claims here in Canada, and probably other countries as well.




There have been a number of neo-Nazi and skinhead marches into Roma ghettos, including one earlier this month, and there have been reports of unauthorized sterilizations of Roma woman as recently as last year. Roma children are routinely segregated in classrooms and often put in schools for developmentally challenged children, a fate that ensures difficulty in the job market, and shuts the door on post-secondary education.


source:Canada flooded with Czech Roma refugee claims




posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 06:42 AM
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It is the few extremists which EVERY country has and not the Czech people as a whole. They did suffer at the hands of the Germans but some collaborated as did the French, and they were dealt with at the end of the war make no mistake.

There are extreme views everywhere in all nations, BNP in UK, NF in France etc etc. These two idiots should be kicked out the military and jailed. In the Czech Republic if my memory serves me correctly it is an offence to perform the nazi salute, so I am sure these two jokers are in hot water!

Alternative New Report

Edit: The Czech Republic takes a hard line on Neo Nazis but they do have pretty good freedom of speech rules there.

Neo Nazi March Banned

[edit on 27-11-2009 by Bunker or Bust]

[edit on 27-11-2009 by Bunker or Bust]



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 06:59 AM
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I understand that there are extremists in every country, and this thread was not meant to be an indictment of all Czech people.

In my opinion, the fact that these soldiers wore SS symbols on their uniforms, is an affront to the bravery, sacrifice and suffering that the Czech people endured at the hands of the Nazis.

And yes, I agree, they should be severely punished.



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 10:24 AM
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It's one way to remind us that Muslims are the new Jews.

Perhaps the Israelis, being naturally sympathetic, will one day help Muslims build their own Holocaust Memorial. They could easily bulldoze some space for it in the Gaza strip.



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 12:00 PM
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These soldiers were fired from army few days later. One of them was also in French Foreign Legion which has a lot of to do with SS. (many SS and other german soldiers joined FFL after ww2).

I´m not really fan of hitler or nazis, but I like their symbols, badges and Hugo Boss uniforms. They really polished this things.

And the Roma (gypsies) thing is for a long discussion. You need to know something about it before making judgement



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 03:34 PM
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from my personal experience I must say that CZ Army and especially national Police (PCR) is quite infested by neo-nazi. This movement is bit scary. They leaved old rude "skinhead" tactics and shifted to more polite stance. Now they are trying to get to parliament. One of tactics for young nazi is military/police service. They gain training and connections ... look like strategy for succesfull military coup ...
It is perfectly apparent that "common sense" among police officers is near to neo-nazi side. Neo-nazi movements gain power around all former USSR client states.

Uh - I though that OP is reporting the old incident but this is new one... They are still so stupid that they are unable to learn from old mistakes.

There was disgusting incident during this winter when some nazi idiots bombed house of Gypsie family by few molotovs. Two year old girl almost died and is still in hospital.
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EDIT to add:


And the Roma (gypsies) thing is for a long discussion. You need to know something about it before making judgement

Yes, it is in every respect true. For me it is almost live long discussion.

[edit on 27-11-2009 by zeddissad]



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 05:58 PM
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This is being blown way out of proportion.

The soldiers in question clearly did not wear Nazi "regalia"

There was a small picture drawn on a combat helmet.

US soldiers often write obscene things on theirs too.

CT



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 06:31 PM
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Actually, it was two CZ Soldiers that wore the insignia, not commanders.
Tho their commander was fired for knowing about it and not reporting it.

I really think this will turn out to be a case of "we liked the logo". Look at American units using versions of the Afrika Korps palm tree since 1990. Marine LAV, 2nd Brigade 101st, and those are just the ones I've seen.

Heck, the US Army CAB looks a lot like a German WW2 Close Combat Clasp.

At least they're not Illinois Nazis, I hate Illinois Nazis.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 06:39 PM
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Especially if they chase the Blues Brothers.


On Topic:

I highly doubt any Afghans knew what those "DRAWINGS" meant.
I would not have noticed I doubt many did and what they were and probably even less knew what they meant.





posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 01:08 AM
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a czech soldier is one notch above a polish soldier. i once saw a picture of a polish soldier during ww2 stick a gasoline nozzle up a horse's ass in frustration because he couldn't find the gas cap.



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 12:35 AM
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Lovely.
Now there is a mental image I could of done without for the evening.



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 12:39 AM
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Ahhh, racist humor. Gotta love ATS sometimes



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by Kailassa
It's one way to remind us that Muslims are the new Jews.



So thats why Muslims keep blowing each other up. Now it makes sense.



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