We Evolved From the Monkey, huh?

reply to post by Agree2Disagree


Sort of. Those are evolutionary leaps are in function not appearance thus we could safely say that seem to have not evolved. Rather like using existing systems more efficiently. Of course we have no way of knowing for sure if they didn't start out that way but I rather think they didn't. Did I manage to make ANY sense?

Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
reply to post by impaired

 

I don't have a point. I want to know WHY it hasn't evolved in 300million years. Surely 300million years is a substantial amount of "time" to allow for evolutionary change....

Maybe this guy was just an oddball - who knows. A freak of nature. But like I said, it's really not pertinent to the subject. If this is just one creature or even if not...

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


Yes you made plenty of sense. I only posed this question here because it was an evolutionary thread and I didn't think my question warranted a whole thread to itself. Thank you Watcher.

Now, pertaining to the OP.

The evolutionary tree of the common ancestor of apes and man...umm..Where is the trunk!?

What is the "common ancestor"? I want to see this damn creature because it's an archaelogical spider-man-monkey....if that makes sense.

A primitive "humanoid" that can climb and dangle and jump from limb to limb throwing feces. Now that's the life!

Originally posted by uva3021
our DNA is 98.4% similar to a chimpanzee, the difference between a human and a frog is 3% genetic material, and to a worm is 5%. Almost proof that the original foundation of all life can be traced back to one single organism, sort of like the convergence of branches back to a single route.

Why is so hard to think that genetic similarity can be explained by us all having the same creator?

Lets just assume that there is a really smart God who created everything. Would that REALY SMART God necessarily reinvent the wheel for each new species?

To OP: I find it odd that you have this holier than thou attitude toward blind faith yet you state that any argument based on the bible should be disregarded without consideration. Whats that about? You have pre conceived notions about the bible, religion, and religious peoples.

Can you really claim to be searching for the truth if you discount the most influential book in all history as 750,000 words of rubbish? Would you really deny biblical arguments without examining the evidence? Sounds foolish to me.

And yet you try to come across as educated, enlightened, and logical.

You throw out the phrase "circular logic" like a knee jerk reaction; you use it as screen against arguments you don’t wish to hear and evidence you don’t wish to examine.

As to your theory, it isn’t really original, now is it? I can point you to 100 similar ATS threads. In fact, there are interesting BIBLICAL arguments against the ancient astronauts thread.

I personally feel (not necessarily fact, just my theory) that the book of Revelations warns us about this. After the demons are cast from heaven to earth they tell a great lie, so great that even holy people will be deceived into accepting them as gods.

I think that these demons that are cast down to Earth will seem to us to be ETs. I can picture them crashing here, like in the movie Alien Nation and telling us that the Bible is simply primitive man's attempt to describe visitations from ETs, and that they 'created' us by mixing critical DNA from their species with that of apes or primitive humanoids, thus the "missing link" is them, the aliens. They will be worshiped as our creators by most and we will allow them to cure disease and form a world government that brings peace, at least for a time.

This is what I think may happen, and it is just as valid a theory as yours, even though I follow the teachings of the Bible.

Originally posted by impaired
So to append to the OP, I don't believe we EVOLVED from the ape or the monkey. I think the monkey was the base genetics, and they (ET's) may have used some of their own DNA. We were made in Jehova's image, right?

Like I said, very Annunaki-ish. I just don't believe the gold-deal - how we were created to mine gold. I don't think we were created for benevolent reasons, however. Perhaps for worship (these gods love their worship - that is a FACT - look it up in the bible and in other mythological documents. They go crazy for that stuff!). Or perhaps we just really didn't come out like Jehova wanted us to. Perhaps the bible is correct in that respect.

OR, now that I think of it, damn... Once Satan came into the picture and showed us the tree of life (knowledge), Jehova got pissed and didn't want as much to do with us. Once we gained that extra bit of knowledge, were we more useless and expendable? He does waste humans by the millions back then!

And getting back to worship. The way to worship a god is through prayer, right? Every story I have ever read about close encounters with ET mentions that the main form of communication is through telepathy. The transference of some kind of mental energy.

My extrapolation of that is when you pray and worship (prayer is one thing, but both combined...), you are giving this energy to the entity. I can't do that to a shady entity. Or to one that doesn't directly communicate back. The "God works in mysterious ways" is a cop-out, and it's circular logic.

Think for yourselves. Don't let a book do the thinking for you. And like I said, call me a meanie for saying these things. If the shoe doesn't fit, then don't wear it. If it really offends, then I must be making an interesting point, no?

[edit on 11/26/2009 by impaired]

Have you heard if a man Named Lloyd Pye? He has a website I will post and if you put his name into youtube, you will get a 2 hour presentation on this exact subject. It literally changed my view of man in regard to the other hominid species you have to see it and you will understand.

www.LloydPye.com

Originally posted by cavscout

Originally posted by uva3021
our DNA is 98.4% similar to a chimpanzee, the difference between a human and a frog is 3% genetic material, and to a worm is 5%. Almost proof that the original foundation of all life can be traced back to one single organism, sort of like the convergence of branches back to a single route.

Why is so hard to think that genetic similarity can be explained by us all having the same creator?

I mean what is a Creator. The science of evolution is almost inarguable. Slight variations occur over time that can lead to a very slow and selective change or creation of species from other species. Whether or not a Creator billions and billions of years ago was the injector of all life is almost an empty and absurd argument. If there was/is a Creator, then the real truth is probably something that transcends the human imagination, and beyond our ability to comprehend.

But for same people to say evolution is a theory that states "We evolved from Apes" is insanity, and shows lack of research, understanding, and respect for essential human decency. It's lazy. And on more than one occasion a poster has invariably brought up their belief that evolution states "We evolved from Apes" despite pages and pages of preliminary information trying to introduce people to the fact that the statement is 150% wrong.

And why do people give so much faith to the bible. What makes those people so special? Like I said before, the book used ancient science that has long been dis-proven. The people were hungry, exhausted, dehydrated, hot, and probably on shrooms, peyote, and '___'. I mean this was the desert was it not? THey were wondering around in an invariable state of hallucination.

I got news for some people. Life is raw, tedious, and largely indifferent. There is nothing divine about a baby falling out a window, and there is nothing godly about laying 6 feet underground being eaten away by maggots and ants.

There is nothing fantastical about life, there is nothing mythical, or supernatural (except for '___' which is amazing btw ). Life simply is, and this is all we will ever know.

Originally posted by cavscout

Originally posted by uva3021
our DNA is 98.4% similar to a chimpanzee, the difference between a human and a frog is 3% genetic material, and to a worm is 5%. Almost proof that the original foundation of all life can be traced back to one single organism, sort of like the convergence of branches back to a single route.

Why is so hard to think that genetic similarity can be explained by us all having the same creator?

Lets just assume that there is a really smart God who created everything. Would that REALY SMART God necessarily reinvent the wheel for each new species?

To OP: I find it odd that you have this holier than thou attitude toward blind faith yet you state that any argument based on the bible should be disregarded without consideration. Whats that about? You have pre conceived notions about the bible, religion, and religious peoples.

No. I was a Christian for years. I just moved on. Simple as that.
I don't say the bible should be disregarded. I just said earlier that the bibles (and most religious texts) shouldn't be taken literally. There are translation issues and the stories are 3rd-hand knowledge. Told from one perspective to a dude or dudes trying to write this all down the best they can. It's coming from one side and being filtered - if you will...
Fill in the blanks. Read between the lines. I don't think things were as mystical as they seemed.

Can you really claim to be searching for the truth if you discount the most influential book in all history as 750,000 words of rubbish? Would you really deny biblical arguments without examining the evidence? Sounds foolish to me.

Influential doesn't mean "True"...
I did give it a chance, but then I started seeing the paradoxes and contradictions. I started questioning it. Is THAT a sin? I'm sure that since Jehova created us so smart it's completely ok for us to question things. Why take it from one source? How is what I've done and been doing NOT searching for the truth? Do I HAVE TO believe it from that perspective? We do have free will, right?
And an influential book it was (and books of it's kind)... Also keeps people from asking questions.

And yet you try to come across as educated, enlightened, and logical.

Dee-fense! Dee-fense!
I never claim such a thing. I promptly admitted when I was wrong about us coming from the monkeys. I said I was here to learn. Pardon me for taking the blinders off.
And sorry that I seem to be striking a nerve with you at this point.

You throw out the phrase "circular logic" like a knee jerk reaction; you use it as screen against arguments you don’t wish to hear and evidence you don’t wish to examine.

WHAT EVIDENCE??

Yeah, there are places that have been found that are from biblical times. That and the book itself. Everything else is just a story, and believing THAT is using blind faith or by influence of an object (which in this case is the bible).
Like I said, I believe the bible from a HISTORIC point of view. I believe things happened, but some are just taking too literally and mystically. Throw in the possibilities of ET and technology and it sounds more believable.

As to your theory, it isn’t really original, now is it? I can point you to 100 similar ATS threads. In fact, there are interesting BIBLICAL arguments against the ancient astronauts thread.

I don't claim that I made this theory up. Not one bit. Not from a long shot. I just think it is shot DOWN by the religious.
"Biblical Arguments". Once again, using that as the smoking gun.

Find another source than the bible and show it to the world. None of this "god's will" incidents either, please.


I personally feel (not necessarily fact, just my theory) that the book of Revelations warns us about this. After the demons are cast from heaven to earth they tell a great lie, so great that even holy people will be deceived into accepting them as gods.

I think that these demons that are cast down to Earth will seem to us to be ETs. I can picture them crashing here, like in the movie Alien Nation and telling us that the Bible is simply primitive man's attempt to describe visitations from ETs, and that they 'created' us by mixing critical DNA from their species with that of apes or primitive humanoids, thus the "missing link" is them, the aliens. They will be worshiped as our creators by most and we will allow them to cure disease and form a world government that brings peace, at least for a time.

I personally think that you're worshipping an ET when you worship ANY god. Just my opinion, though. You don't have to think twice about it.

This is what I think may happen, and it is just as valid a theory as yours, even though I follow the teachings of the Bible.

It's a belief. I don't proclaim this to be truth. I just think it is something extremely possible.

reply to post by impaired


When I read your thread title, I was sure it was going to be a bbq for you..

You should have considered the title more, no doubt you'll get people coming in just to berate it thinking you have a different agenda.

Because I actually agree with a lot of what you say here. To a degree. But in essence, I agree!!

S&F

Originally posted by Ha`la`tha
reply to post by impaired

 

When I read your thread title, I was sure it was going to be a bbq for you..

You should have considered the title more, no doubt you'll get people coming in just to berate it thinking you have a different agenda.

Because I actually agree with a lot of what you say here. To a degree. But in essence, I agree!!

S&F

Yeah. I was thinking of changing the topic, but I think it's too late. I typed what I typed and what I back it up with in my previous posts, though, so hopefully they'll refer to those.

This thread is so ignorant it makes me want to puke.

Originally posted by noangels

I dont know if one sees the michelle obama google photo fake it is obvious,last POTUS was pictured as a chimp too-perhaps as this is a conspiracy site the real shadow lords who pull the strings on our banking elite and NWO are Chimps!Its all an act,there not that dumb-there studying us like lab rats as we merrily go around our lives

Lmao, shapeshifting chimps!! Please xenu, don't let this get in the wind, it's bad enough already!!! haha



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[edit on 27/11/2009 by Ha`la`tha]

Originally posted by vjr1113
This thread is so ignorant it makes me want to puke.

Duly noted. Care to explain why it sounds so ridiculous? Are you religious of any sort? Atheist?

Originally posted by vjr1113
This thread is so ignorant it makes me want to puke.

Tell us more. Interesting.

Originally posted by impaired
Yeah. I was thinking of changing the topic, but I think it's too late.

I typed what I typed and what I back it up with in my previous posts, though, so hopefully they'll refer to those.

Hopefully, but some people around here have a very narrow field of vision, and tend to jump at the first thing they see.

Happens all the time, I wouldn't worry about it.

Originally posted by Jordan River


Another alien worshipper. You guys are a dime a dozen on ats. Who created the ET's?

BOOM case closed

[edit on 26-11-2009 by Jordan River]

Who put bacteria in the petri dish?

Is the entity responsible for that a god?

Can evolution start a process that results in that entity being seen as a god to a less evolved or less intelligent entity?

"Hydrogen is a light, odorless gas, which, given enough time, turns into people."

BOOM - singularity expands.

www.signatureinthecell.com...

Darwinists need to get up to date.

Originally posted by uva3021
I mean what is a Creator.

Thats a major part of the problem, we cant really know, can we? We (Christians) tend to personify the Lord because it is very difficult to imagine him any way but human. We do the same thing with Christ every time we refer to him as Jesus.

Problem is that we are most certainly wrong in our idea of what a Creator actually is. I do not believe that we can imagine our Creator from the limited senses we have in these material bodies.

All we can say is that his creation is beautiful (who doesn’t like flowers and butterflies?) and that he has a creative spark. Other than that what do know of our creator? Very little.

The science of evolution is almost inarguable.

No, micro-evolution is almost inarguable. Macro-evolution, however, has many problems, some of them dealing with the laws of the universe as we believe them to be.


[quotes] And on more than one occasion a poster has invariably brought up their belief that evolution states "We evolved from Apes" despite pages and pages of preliminary information trying to introduce people to the fact that the statement is 150% wrong.
Semantics.

Does it matter if it was actual apes or some other primate or mammal or even pond scum? The problem people have is the idea that we are basically advanced forms of something non human. Creator or no, this idea can be disturbing. To those of us who do believe in a creator it is like a slap in his face.

And why do people give so much faith to the bible.

I think that people inherently know right from wrong, truth from lies. Faith comes from this recognition of truth. We have universal mores that are valued by nearly every group of peoples, regardless of degrees of separation racially, culturally, or geographically. This is because deep down in our core we know truth. Unlike other mammals we have a highly developed sense of morality, this is no accident.

Like I said before, the book used ancient science that has long been dis-proven.

Can I have some examples?

The people were hungry, exhausted, dehydrated, hot, and probably on shrooms, peyote, and '___'. I mean this was the desert was it not? THey were wondering around in an invariable state of hallucination.

Pure speculation.

There is nothing divine about a baby falling out a window, and there is nothing godly about laying 6 feet underground being eaten away by maggots and ants.

Without death you would not appreciate life, nor would we be able to accomplish so much in our short times here.

Would you appreciate your whole bones if you did not know the possibility of breaking them? Would you be who you are without the experiences, both good and bad, that have molded you?

You must remember that I have more faith that God exists than I do in the existence of the material world. I know he is there; you and this computer I am less certain of. So, with that in mind, what is it if a baby falls out of a window? I doesn’t hurt so bad if you have true faith that it is not the end of the line for the baby, but just the beginning. We get 80 years here. 80 years in the face of eternity is nothing.

I gave the OP a star for thinking outside the box. Someone who searches for the truth, very good.

Evolution is full of holes, you got that idea right. I'm still looking for the monkey flying an airplane, shopping at Wal-mart, giving an acceptance speech, etc. Evolution seems maybe more like intentional tinkering instead of a gradual change.

All religions being evil, not so fast. Some of them do actually provide real help. That is the truth.

The school system crams evolution down our throats, when we have anomalous findings, ancient texts, etc. Go to India and see if your upbringing wouldn't be different than the US. It is my understanding that if you mention a UFO there, it's like "so what, we know." But that doesn't get considered in our education. We are supposed to believe, we started as cells, turned into water things, grew into monkeys, grabbed spears, Little House on the Prairie, then to present time. Some evidence seems to point that we were beyond Little House on the Prairie thousands of years ago. If we were, what the hell happened that the powers that be work like mad to make sure that we don't find out our past? It's almost like someone(s) went to great lengths to make sure that our past was destroyed. We dig up something, someone is there with a shovel trying to bury it. Think about it.

Troy

Approximately 150 million base pairs in DNA are different between chimps and humans. If there was a common ancestor, say 50 million years ago, that means there would have to be a change of 3 base pairs per year on a progressive improvement schedule to attain human beings.

I don't think so.

The odds are too astronomical. Something had to go wrong in 150 million changes.

You have a lot of faith when you believe in chimps and humans having a common ancestor.