Originally posted by el_topo
Since "no man knows the hour" its important that all men know Christ as soon as possible, because it could be 10 minutes or 1000 years.
There is evidence out there that proved that Jesus did infact live
TextInfinite, are you positive about this? From my research, there is no conclusive historical evidence
Originally posted by ZeroDeep
From Biblical sources, it says that the second coming will be almost impossible to predict, as will be the identity of the Anti-Christ. I guess we'll just wait and see untill it occurs.
[Edited on 21-5-2004 by ZeroDeep]
Originally posted by JackBlack
If Jesus does come back that means Satan will too. Right?
METAL UP YOUR ASS!!!
Originally posted by JonnaIf he did come back, why would it be during the turn of the millenimum? Did people believe that he would come back at the turn of 1000?
Originally posted by ab2tw
ummm yeah at one point this was legal, but lets not pretend that it was legal any time recently in the history of the USA.
Can you please show us where the Bible was ok with 10 yr old sex slaves?
Originally posted by Pisky
The Bible says that Jesus will return in the same manner as he left.
Can anyone explain how exactly he did that ? In other words, how is he due to return ? From the air or from being born to another 'Mary' ?
How will we recognise him ?
TextHere's a list of other "reliable dates" for Jesus' return
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A limestone burial box, almost 2,000 years old, may provide the oldest archeological record of Jesus of Nazareth, experts announced Monday.
The ossuary, as the bone boxes are known, dates to A.D. 63 and has an inscription in Aramaic which translates to: "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus," said Andre Lemaire, an expert in ancient writing who identified the box in Jerusalem last spring.
Aramaic, an ancient Semitic language, was the lingua franca of the Middle East for many centuries. At the time of Jesus' life, Aramaic was the common language of the Jews.
Writing about his findings in the new issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, Lemaire, who teaches at the Sorbonne in Paris, called it "very probable" that the box belonged to Jesus' brother James, who by Christian tradition was the leader of the early church in Jerusalem.
Some scholars expressed doubt that the box, which is 20 inches long by 11 inches wide, could be definitively linked to Jesus, a Jewish carpenter by trade revered by Christians as the son of God.
"We may never be absolutely certain. In the work I do we're rarely absolutely certain about anything," said Kyle McCarter, a Johns Hopkins University archaeologist, who said that the finding was probable, but that he had "a bit of doubt."
While most scholars agree that Jesus existed, no physical evidence from the first century has ever been conclusively tied with his life.
Two scientists from the Israeli government's geological survey tested the box last month, inspecting the surface patina and inscription under a microscope. They concurred that the object is more than 19 centuries old, the archaeology magazine reported.
"It's hard to avoid the conclusion that these three names refer to the personages so identified in the New Testament," said Hershel Shanks, editor of Biblical Archaeology Review.
As an expert on scripts and an historian of writing systems, I was asked to examine this inscription and make a report. I did.
The bone-box is original; the first inscription, which is in Aramaic, "Jacob son of Joseph," is authentic. The second half of the inscription, "brother of Jesus," is a poorly executed fake and a later addition. This report has already been distributed on at least two scholarly lists.
Please note that the fraud is so blatant that I did not bother to go into extreme detail on whether the faked addition is supposed to be Hebrew or Aramaic. (If that's a vav, -- then it's Hebrew, not Aramaic; if it's yod, then it's says 'my brother', not 'his brother' or 'brother of'. By no stretch of the imagination can one claim this to be in Aramaic... 'of' in Aramaic is 'di'.)
You have to be blind as a bat not to see that the second part is a fraud.
Is the testimonium of the Jewish historian Josephus authentic? Or, is it a forgery? If so, is it a forgery in whole or does it contain, at the very least, a passing authentic reference to Jesus that has been embellished? As we consider these questions we must first consider Josephusí place in history.
Born in A.D. 37 through the Hasmonean family bloodline who ruled in Jerusalem a century before his time, Josephus received an excellent education which eventually led him to take up occupational careers as politician, historian, and soldier. Of these three, Josephus has been hailed as a great politician and historian but has received criticism throughout history for being a weak soldier. Sources tell us that during the Jewish-Roman War (A.D. 66 to 74) Josephus surrendered to the Roman General Vespasian during the siege of Jotapata instead of following the lead of his colleagues who committed suicide. Josephus, being the interesting character that he is, simply changed sides and began to defend Rome, and history has apparently not forgotten. As a new citizen of Roman, he found time to compose a number of works in which he sought to justify his actions to the Jews where his skills as politician and historian were put to use.
In one of these works, The Antiquities, Josephus is attributed as making reference to Jesus Christ, the founder of the Christian movement, where he appears to provide sweeping corroboration to His life, miracles, death, and resurrection. The passage as it stands reads:
"Now at this time, Jesus arose. He was a wise man (if he must actually be described as a man), for he was a doer of remarkable deeds, a teacher of people who receive the truth with delight. He persuaded both many Jewish people and many of the Greeks as well. He was the Messiah. And after Pilate had punished him with a cross at the instigation of high ranking men among us, those who loved him at first did not stop because he appeared to them living again on the third day - the divine prophets had predicted these and countless other marvelous things about him. Even now, the group named after this man, the Christians, has still not disappeared" (Ant., 18.3:3).