Hacked Email of Britain's leading climate science research centre shows no proof of Climate Change , page 1

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British climate expert 'cheered' by Aussie's death

COMPUTER hackers have broken into Britain's leading climate science research centre, making public thousands of private emails between top climate change scientists.

The messages – more than 2000 emails and 3000 documents – lay bare bitter disagreements about the cause of climate change.

In one email, the head of Britain's Climatic Research Unit, Phil Jones, says he is "cheered" by news of the sudden death of a prominent Australian climate sceptic, John L. Daly, who died of a heart attack at his Launceston home in 2004.

Others show scientists referring to sceptical colleagues as "prats", "charlatans" and "idiots".

The emails also acknowledge the frustration of trying to find evidence to "prove" man-made climate change.

In one email, Kevin Trenberth, a climatologist at the US Centre for Atmospheric Research, who supports the theory of man-made climate change, says: "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it is a travesty that we can't."

Dr Trenberth says data published last August "shows there should be even more warming... the data are surely wrong".

I am absolutely disgusted from the above and I have lost complete faith in our scientists. They are supposed to have open mind and when you look at the level of bully on their own colleagues who does not agree with them is absolutely childish.

The level of disagreement highlighted in the above article shows clearly that they don't have a clue on what is causing Global warming.

reply to post by rattan1

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This is an interesting development, I wasn't expecting someone to actually hack and make public this kind of stuff. I have always believed Global Warming a myth having investigated and looked at the data myself. This is just the break we need to begin tearing it down. I say pass it along, show it to your friends, etc.
This is a tool or better yet a weapon for us to use in this war against tyranny in the form of taxation in carbon taxes.

reply to post by rattan1

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Do not worry, we have to spread this.

On another site, we got over 180 posts in one day.

This is the beginning of their breakdown.

We need to spread this.

reply to post by rattan1

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There is recent warming, and the deniers are pratts.

What a coincidence as soon as you those email were exposed you have another damning warning about global warming to pull the attention away:

Antarctic ice sheet losing mass

A new study has found the east Antarctic iceshelf, which sits behind Australia's Casey Station, has lost billions of tonnes of ice in the past three years.

Originally posted by john124
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There is recent warming, and the deniers are pratts.

There is recent warming AND cooling. That's what happens. It's called weather, and the Earth has been doing it for a long time.

Can you find a single person who denies that this happens? If not, then who are you calling a denier?
I mean, if you're calling them pratts, who are they?

What you seem to be "denying" is that there is still well and truly debate on the influence of anthropogenic emmisions on climate. You certainly have your idealogies set since you've stated you're going to protest for climate controls (whether they work or not) in Dec, so I guess that explains why you're still clinging on to the hope that these scientists have our (their funding source, taxpayers) best interests at heart.

Also, since you skipped past my post on this thread. Im going to ask you here as well.

You said

Originally posted by john124
It's pretty obvious that a lot of comments have been added to the hacked emails. The hacker doesn't exactly have credibility or ethics, as to resort to hacking, so it seems obvious to me that sceptics are the one's with an agenda that ain't science.

So I ask you again. How is it obvious to you that the content of the emails have been "added to"?

Judging by what you've said, you must have asserted that the 'hacker' (leaker? whistleblower?) added comments with "an agenda that aint science", so you must think theres something encriminating or harmful in them? Well I don't think there is anything encriminating at this stage, but they certainly call on the motivations, methods and ethics of these (so called) scientists. And thats not even mentioning the apparant incompetencies in the way data was handled. (see here - HARRY_READ_ME.txt").
Or have a look at discusion on "Mikes nature trick" here

Some emails have been confirmed as genuine, yet none have been confirmed as altered. How is it obvious to you that they've been altered?



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Is the Copenhagen treaty about creating a world government?


Now I am really

reply to post by Curious and Concerned

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Hmmm I forgot to mention in my other posts that theres a well defined fact that mankind is changing the climate and it is undeniable and it comes to the fact of the 7 day week .

Rain takes it easy on weekends, when air is cleaner

Originally posted by john124
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There is recent warming, and the deniers are pratts.

How very scientific! Burn the heretics, burn the heretics!

Seriously, this whole "denier" issue is getting a little tiresome and, as with another issue where the word "denier" is used, it is done so to deflect any debate on the issue and to alienate those who may question the propagandized orthodoxy.

Now, all sane people know the climate changes. The Earth, at an estimated 4.7 Billion years old has seen climatic changes, sometimes up, sometimes down, sometimes wet, sometimes dry, for much of it's history so that is not in question. What is in question is the cause, which today we are being told is wholly down to mankind. That is complete and utter bunk!

The deniers, as we are called, are painted by the pro-AGW crowd as being rapers of the planet and a danger to mankind, who must accept our earthly energy usage sins and repent, in what has become a kind of religion. But, like most religions, those who publically stand firmly in the pro camp, and indeed those who set up the proposed taxation, carbon credit and asscociated brokerages to make themselves even richer, do not play by the rules that they would set for the rest of us.
The likes of Saint Al of Gore live in mansions that use horrendous amounts of energy, fly to functions in private jets and use big gas guzzling limos to ferry them around. That is hardly earning them any "green" credentials and makes a mockery of their arguments for the rest of us to curb energy usage.

Every right minded person, including all of us "deniers", certainly support the push for less energy usage and green initiatives for clean energy and cutting pollution. However, the proposals being pushed by the likes of Al Gore, our own governments and banking / corporate interests, do little or nothing to address this. In fact, they are geared solely to extract more money from us and provide ridiculous wealth to those in power. If opposing that makes me a threat to mankind then I say to Al Gore and all the other frauds - bring it on! There's a rope and tree waiting.

[edit on 23-11-2009 by Britguy]

reply to post by loner007

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Yes, that article has shown a possible link to the way humans affect weather(not climate, as you put it), localised conditions due to local causes. It's not just airborne particulates that can have an effect on local weather, so can the 'urban heat island' effect. Also, other land use changes such as deforestation certainly affect precipitation levels, which is why Mt Kilimanjaro has been losing snow, because of less precipitation. But this isn't about local effects, it's about long term trends (climate) and how we are having an effect on them.

The truth is we affect our environment in many ways. But is the recent warming trend entirely due to anthropogenic emissions? A lot of respected scientists say, that while we can certainly affect localised weather, the climate operates in cycles which we may have very little effect on.

But the politicians and fear mongerer's don't say it like that. They try to say that there is 'consensus' and 'the science is settled' without ever having to give any real evidence.

And then the people we are relying on to find out what effects we are having on our planet, refuse to give their data and methods so others can replicate their work. They have manipulated or lost data which is vital to support their theory, but won't let anyone else look at it.

This is what Phil Jones, head of CRU said. "We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it."

Why should we just blindly follow (which is what many here do) what these guy's say, when others cant view their work and procedures? If they were so confident they had it right, there would be no hesitation to release their work. But these guy's are too worried that they might be proven wrong, so they deceive and scheme to try and stop that from happening.

reply to post by Curious and Concerned

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This is what Phil Jones, head of CRU said. "We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it."

If he said that he was probably referring to ways used to attack them using non-scientific methods, such as the deniers are currently doing using the emails. Deniers will use any method available to them to discredit climate scientists, when they don't have a scientific basis behind their claim.

I do think all data should be made public, but I also sympathise with these scientists for having to waste their precious time debunking nonsense by pseduo-scientists.

reply to post by john124

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Agian you refuse to answer questions, John124. It's not that hard is it? This is getting tedious. Ill re-re post previous questions.

There is recent warming AND cooling. That's what happens. It's called weather, and the Earth has been doing it for a long time.

Can you find a single person who denies that this happens? If not, then who are you calling a denier?
I mean, if you're calling them pratts, who are they?

And

How is it obvious to you that the content of the emails have been "added to"?

Your'e unrelenting defense of these guys is baffling to me. Phil Jones has repeatedly avoided handing over information to a real statistician, to verify his claims (See here). And you're only defense is that they might use "non-scientific methods" to show that there might be something wrong with it. Is it "scientific" to withold information when you claim to be the authoritive figure on the issue?

And you continually refer to these deniers, John124. Who are they?


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