Originally posted by Ulala
His Euros keep you people in work. If it weren't for guys like him, employing ingrates of your ilk, the Florida economy would be looking less than rosy.

Well, I's thanks ya, Massa, fors keeping peoples like me properly working an' all! Nows I's just shuffle off and get back to picking that cotton, raight, Massa??

Jesus, Mary and Joseph. If it wasn't for the money your Dad and Cousin are spending here, I bet the US would be completely washed up, huh?

I guess that means the money I spend in Europe last year supported you, huh? You're welcome.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

It's a perfect opportunity to point out all the flaws in the US health care system then to state that they could careless.

And then brag about how much better it is in Europe. Funny, tho, they are working here? Guess that unemployment over there is a bit too much for them to take, huh?

Originally posted by Dermo
Stupidest. Comment. Ever.

Ask me if I give a crap.

Originally posted by Dermo
Who is? Me? Im "European".

Last time I checked I was in the EU.. Fully employed.

Oh you mean the other 1/4000th that went to the US in 2008.. Yea, thats a lot.

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unless that is you, don't worry your pretty little head about it.

Shucks, I'm sorry. I must have struck a nerve.

Originally posted by jerico65
Ask me if I give a crap.

Do you give a crap?

Worst. Rhetorical Question. Ever.

Shucks, I'm sorry. I must have struck a nerve.

I didn't see a sad or angry smiley face in my post anywhere.. did you? You're internet emotion gauge is way off.

Im trying to point out that generalizing is the reason for most of these bull# arguments so why people continue to use ridiculous generalizations astounds me. Even reading ones after being written by someone thousands of miles away offends me and etches away another small part of my faith in humanity because it makes us seem so small minded and retarded.

Well done. Humanity 0 - Stupidity 1

Unless that is you, don't worry your pretty little head about it.

Are you coming onto me?

[edit on 8/11/09 by Dermo]

Originally posted by Dermo
Blaa blaa blaa blaa blaa!
More generalizing.. Im pretty confident I threw a half decent argument in there.. Just a few posts up.. you should check it out. Absolutely no foreign policy mentioned AT ALL.

Defensive?
Who was talking about you?
Guilty conscious?


[edit on 8-11-2009 by SLAYER69]

Originally posted by Dermo
I didn't see a sad or angry smiley face in my post anywhere.. did you? You're internet emotion gauge is way off.

Nah, but my obnoxious dial is only up to "medium".

Originally posted by Dermo
Im trying to point out that generalizing is the reason for most of these bull# arguments so why people continue to use ridiculous generalizations astounds me. Even reading ones after being written by someone thousands of miles away offends me and etches away another small part of my faith in humanity because it makes us seem so small minded and retarded.

Unfortunately, that does seem to be the case here on ATS. And on both sides of the Atlantic.

Originally posted by Dermo
Well done. Humanity 0 - Stupidity 1

Yeah, I'll take that.

Originally posted by Dermo
Are you coming onto me?

[edit on 8/11/09 by Dermo]

Don't get your hopes up.

I think it is good to hear from people who like their nationalized health coverage because it shows that such a concept can be done right and result in satisfied customers. However, it should also be noted by those same people that the universal health care being proposed in the US is not the same as what other countries enjoy.

As far as immigration, I don't think that it necessarily says anything about our health care system. A better thread would be citing the number of people who come to the US simply to get medical treatment and the reasons behind it. I think that this would better demonstrate any problems with the health care systems of Canada and countries throughout Europe.

Originally posted by dragonridr
Why is it people want to give control of there life to the government doesn't any one have any personal responsibility anymore.As humans we make choices some bad some good but to have the government make these choices is just scary. The government is not there to take care of you its there to make sure you have the ability to take care of yourself!

Ok so.. Disband your police forces and fire all your teachers. Every amenity your governance bodies provide for you.. just ditch them and use blunt capitalism. Hire all your teachers, firemen & cops locally and let those who can't afford to pay go without these amenities.

Oh wait.. you cant. Because society evolves past that. Full blown capitalism collapsed in Europe several times over the past few hundred years because it needs a frontier to exploit.. we literally cannot go back to brute force capitalism, our system works extremely well for us overall and it seems that the US is moving into a similar situation... so maybe it is an evolutionary thing.

Im not one for big government at all, in fact, I hate the idea but I am a 100% supporter of a social safety net for the less fortunate that includes basic healthcare, education, welfare of some description and protection. IMO Healthcare and capitalism are two things that should not mix because in the overall spectrum, they cannot function together.

But thats only my opinion anyway.. for what its worth..

Defensive?
Who was talking about you?
Guilty conscious?

Your memory serves you well Slayer

Originally posted by jerico65
Don't get your hopes up.

Damn.. coz I just broke up with my girlfriend and was looking for a pen pal


[edit on 8/11/09 by Dermo]

I don't think many "europeans" ( i really dislike using that ambiguous title) are or were actually that bothered about what Americans do with their health-care. I'm certainly not.

However, i became interested (objectively speaking) in this story because

1. America is the current superpower, a lot of what goes on there does make world news, and i like to consider myself informed on the contemporary issues that face the world.

2. the misinformed, inaccurate bollocks that was spouted about our own NHS, which most in this country are very proud of, by media outlets such as Fox, the deluded Walter Mitty character of Daniel Hannan (previously unknown to most in Britain) and a considerable amount of posters on this very website.

My only interest came in trying to put straight several false perceptions about our health service that American users of this site were asserting as fact. I have no interest in telling America what to do with regards to health, guns or mandatory moustache length.

Do what you want, its your country.

I merely tried in my own small way to defend the slandering of an institution i have great pride in.

The current situtation in the US is very interesting, and that's why a lot of international attention is being paid towards it. Please do not mistake this as being told what to do.

I do realize that the system is not perfect, or anywhere near it but I still trust a healthcare system that promotes health rather than profit.

The French have a habit of over-socializing and stagnating areas of their economy.. over and over.

IMO, it works well as long as the private sector is still given room to breath by creating a situation where the socialized system lacks quite a bit of what the private system has.

It will still bring down the overall costs.


[edit on 8/11/09 by Dermo]

Maybe Europeans aren't as provincial and isolationist as the US? Just a thought.

BTW, the US lags behind Europe in health care. We're about #43 in life expectancy, and #50 in infant mortality. Cuba has lower infant mortality than we do, and I guarantee you, they spend only a fraction of what we do on health care.

Our health care system is murder.

What an ignorant Thread..

So, if the United States of America is so horrible and you have such a great desire to make us more "European", why are so many of you moving here? If it is so wonderfully Utopian there, why flee?

And your Irish, Italian, Greek, British or whatever roots, make you what? Non-european? If your real name isn't "White feather", don't be so loud, 'cause your Family migrated there, too!!



[edit on 11/8/2009 by HarryCat]

Originally posted by Dermo

SNIP

Im not one for big government at all, in fact, I hate the idea but I am a 100% supporter of a social safety net for the less fortunate that includes basic healthcare, education, welfare of some description and protection. IMO Healthcare and capitalism are two things that should not mix because in the overall spectrum, they cannot function together.

This paragraph sums up my feelings, too. Well said.
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I work in Social Services (Education and Counseling) and there are certainly examples of benefit from and abuse of the system by both govt. agencies and public recipients. It seems to be getting worse. Funding is at an all time low and more and more people are clamoring for assistance. Social Services as a whole, is a mess and has been for many years.

Personally, I would love to see complete reform in the health care industry, but the health care bill that just passed the House doesn't fix the issues and probably will make the system more convoluted and much worse. It's my opinion that it will never pass the Senate, as is. It remains to be seen what changes will be made, but I fear it will not be to the benefit of the people.


[edit on 8-11-2009 by LadySkadi]

im just chucking my 2 pence in! - not stiring though ^_^

as someone from the uk, i really really couldnt imagine how bad a world with an american type healthcare system where if you dont have enough money or insurance the dr's will just stop, and let nature take its course!!

the british system is ok, some people may have to wait for things but not all and in general its a good service! i wouldnt be here if it wasnt for nhs, and same goes for all generations of my family after WW2.

for those with the money, they can get private care as well. Insurance is also avaliable just like in the usa...

Im glad that the us government has voted and i hope it gets past the next stage as well... as really, as much opposition as people might have to it, i guarentee in 5 years time that argument will have disaprared as everyone realises they dont need to worry about their medical bills.

this argument is just like the anti gun argument, in usa they have grown up with this culture of paying for healthcare, and their will always be those who oppose change.

one thing that gets me.... noone seems to wonder why their is opposition to medical funding, and more importantly who is actualy pulling the strings of the opposition, as i bet theirs a crap load of conspiricy right their!! as alot of people are going to lose their strangleholds on people when a social healthcare system is started!