Originally posted by Ghost in the Machine
reply to post by LeoVirgo
I think your answer is the best I've recieved so far.
Yet, you say that we must learn from it. What is there to learn from when it has been distorted and corrupted into so many different religions which
must be so far from the actual truth.
Well its all a truth. None of it is false. The question is...what is truth about- the life of flesh or what is spiritual truth. Religions mostly teach
us about men and the attachment to the Earth. Its like a marker, showing where humanity is and what they are ready for. It was only 2000 yrs ago that
man thought God needed them to kill for their sins. This wasnt long ago. We are still very much needing the Earthly ways still. Very few find peace
with letting go of Earthly ways.
I couldnt of learned what I have without the many religions. They taught me why men believed what they did for that time, for the way of life they
had, for what they needed.
How can we learn how to unite without the guilt of killing of entire nations and cultures? Can we learn unity without knowing selfishness? Can we
learn about God before we understand what is of Earth and ways of flesh? Man creates delusions....and leads others that arent discerning. A few out of
the many thousand, will actually discern the delusion. The majority will be part of the delusion, blind to their attachment to this life of flesh. How
do we find what is of spirit....without knowing what is of man? Killing is of man, selfishness is of man, greed is of man, pride is of man, being fast
to anger is of man, hopelessness is of man, ways of force is of man, ways of fear is of man.....all of this can be learned, through religions. The
next step, for the very few....is to discern.....if all of those things are of man, that this sphere actually creates these ways for us, this
experience seems to be made for us experiencing these attributes.....then what is of God?
It will take the many religions to show the few....what is of God, what is of spirit. How can we know how great the sunshine is if we had it all the
time? How can we know how pure the water from a clean spring is if we dont have tap water to compare it to? How can we know what patients and hope
really are if we dont experience hopelessness and anger? We have to have duality, to see the yin and yang. We have to have all of these delusions of
the flesh, to see what is of spirit.
I have trouble putting in words such things. Bottom line ....what is of flesh is of flesh, what is of spirit is of spirit. How do we start to look for
truth about spirit if we havent figured out the truth about flesh first?
Those who try to find the light, even in the darkest of souls....is living for the spirit. Those who understand that Jesus offered his life of flesh
back to Earth, from where it came....understand he was only living for the life of spirit, not coming as a sacrifice required by God. In ever event,
there is both....something to learn about man and carnal ways....and then something that will show then what the nature of Spirit would be.
We are here to discern. We are to discern which life we are living for. We all start out living a life for flesh, we must survive, our age influences
this process of living for flesh....but there isnt much reason past the age of lets say 30....that man shouldnt really start to discern his flesh
nature and spiritual nature. Even a atheist can do this and not even know it. If a person feels that certain things are just wrong because they evolve
from greed, pride, selflessness, anger, jealously, hate, ect.....this person is starting to discern from their own flesh nature. They dont have to
relate this to God....but it is, their most inner humble honest nature is this....is the spirit.
Many are lost at the words of another man. It takes only one man to misled many, but they wouldnt follow if they were discerning. So it is needed. It
will be used though, to others, for others, to discern from, to learn why those people believed what they believed. Learn from all religions, so you
can get to know man. Then you can step away with a understanding of what is ways of man....so you can discern that these ways are not of Spirit. You
must know one first, before you can see the other.
How do I explain something that many will call foolishness...because for them to discern what I say about their religion would cause their whole
thought process to fall. It would mean they were following an Earthly way all this time and not really seeking God. So many dont like my words. Isnt
that what happened with Jesus. He came and spoke against their ways....and what did they do....yep, they killed him. Man is very well known for doing
something and then placing Gods name on the event. Again, its needed....for the future people....to look back on so they have something to discern
from...to know the ways of man and flesh....so they can then see ways of Spirit.
The Bible offers this but many dont see. The Bible offers a test....it shows a 'god' image that is of very Earthly ways...was even carried in an
Ark, told men to kill animals and offer the blood to Thee....was jealous, prideful and fast to anger. This god image needed an Earthly Kingdom,
special land, and special people. Without these Earthly ways....I could not of discerned what God WAS NOT. I followed this way for most of my life, at
age 30 I began to see that God was in the book....but not where everyone was going to see Thee. Nothing is given. One must seek, one must
discern....the delusion is there to have something to discern from and as a marker for the ones to show they are not discerning.
Every religion has something to learn from...about man. Then take that learning, about man, the ways of flesh.....and see the other side...see what
God is NOT.
There is so much more to all of this....its a journey I have been on for several years now.
Does any of that ramble make sense?